Echoes of A New Tomorrow: Life after Revolution in the Commonwealth of Britain

[BigBadBob]

They'll have to pry my contents page(s) out of my cold, dead hands. I may have to surrender to threadmarks once 1901 technically ends and we move to For All We Have and Are (the provisional name for the 'book' on Britain and the Great War), but even then the threadmarks will only lead to... the contents page! MUAHAHAHAHAAA

Honestly, I'm so excited for Mosley to fall, but to Bevan? Echoes' ability to make me go full Larry David at every development remains just as strong.

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And my apologies for robbing the update of the top of the page.

 

[Wraith11B]

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

What kind of monster does this?

 

[DensleyBlair]

They'll have to pry my contents page(s) out of my cold, dead hands. I may have to surrender to threadmarks once 1901 technically ends and we move to For All We Have and Are (the provisional name for the 'book' on Britain and the Great War), but even then the threadmarks will only lead to... the contents page! MUAHAHAHAHAAA

I think the thread mark system allows you to group multiple threads together under the banner of one project, which will be invaluable once I've moved on to the second 'book'. (Assuming it actually works of course.) But I'll never give up the contexts page.

Honestly, I'm so excited for Mosley to fall, but to Bevan? Echoes' ability to make me go full Larry David at every development remains just as strong.

Notwithstanding the fact that this timeline was lab-grown specifically to induce this exact reaction in anyone to the right of Jim Maxton, there is one final surprise on the Mosley–Bevan front.

And my apologies for robbing the update of the top of the page.

I'll take comments over top page purity any day of the week.

What kind of monster does this?

Come on now, let's all play nicely. ( )

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

Mine was not without a degree of irony considering how I hunt the elusive Pip first post page. A good and manly sport.

 

[DensleyBlair]

Mine was not without a degree of irony considering how I hunt the elusive Pip first post page. A good and manly sport.

Just remember, in the land of the Commonwealth every man comes first.

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

Just remember, in the land of the Commonwealth every man comes first.

Every man???

 

[BigBadBob]

I think the thread mark system allows you to group multiple threads together under the banner of one project, which will be invaluable once I've moved on to the second 'book'. (Assuming it actually works of course.) But I'll never give up the contexts page.

I'll take comments over top page purity any day of the week.

Interesting.

I tend to agree. I usually try to avoid, as you do, having the update be the last post on a page, but otherwise am quite unbothered.

Mine was not without a degree of irony considering how I hunt the elusive Pip first post page. A good and manly sport.

Fear not, I presumed so.

Just remember, in the land of the Commonwealth every man comes first.

Every man???

It seems this timeline is disappointing not just for the right, but also for most women.

 

[DensleyBlair]

Every man???

It seems this timeline is disappointing not just for the right, but also for most women.

Mosley's Commonwealth is still hopelessly attached to the sort of "separate but equal" bullshit that plagued a lot of the unionist left for the first half of the Twentieth century. The mainstream culture is also fairly chauvinistic. There's also the lack of a WW2 to speed along the women in work argument, so at best we're probably at the "wages for housework" stage of enlightenment.

The CPGB 1929 manifesto (which is what most of the earliest post-revolutionary reforms were based off) isn't bad on women's issues for the time, but it merely declares itself "not opposed" to women in industry and gives some provisions to make sure they're not discriminated against. So relative to OTL 1950s Britain things are probably better, but that's not exactly a show-stopping comparison.

Of course there's also the problem of gendered labour as reproduced in socialist movements, so the opposition doesn't escape censure either. Things will start to get better in the Sixties.

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

Well really all we need to get started is the sex revolution. After that, free birth control and period products makes female emancipation in all things much easier, and brings further light onto gender and sexuality issues that will further liberate everyone.

So yes, the sixties arriving on time with some improvement before then does make for a brighter future.

 

[BigBadBob]

Densley, how dare you respond to my prurient innuendo with a genuinely informative comparison of the progress of women's liberation between OTL and TTL?

I don't appreciate being made to look better than I am in front of the whole forum.

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

Densley, how dare you respond to my prurient innuendo with a genuinely informative comparison of the progress of women's liberation between OTL and TTL?

I don't appreciate being made to look better than I am in front of the whole forum.

What a bastard.

 

[DensleyBlair]

Well really all we need to get started is the sex revolution. After that, free birth control and period products makes female emancipation in all things much easier, and brings further light onto gender and sexuality issues that will further liberate everyone.

So yes, the sixties arriving on time with some improvement before then does make for a brighter future.

Funnily enough, and this had completely slipped my mind, the next update does treat the sorry state of gay lib in the 1950s. So this is a miraculously timely discussion.

Densley, how dare you respond to my prurient innuendo with a genuinely informative comparison of the progress of women's liberation between OTL and TTL?

I don't appreciate being made to look better than I am in front of the whole forum.

Sorry, I got carried away. Won't happen again*.

*T's & C's may apply.

What a bastard.

Anyone who elevates Bob "Shit of the Highest Order" Boothby to a position of prominence in their work is going to have to own up to this basic fact sooner or later.


I have to say that I'm enjoying the fact we're fast careening towards the depths of page 22, given that this whole exercise started with me trying to get to the top of it. Maybe I should circle back round and aim for page 23…

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

Anyone who elevates Bob "Shit of the Highest Order" Boothby to a position of prominence in their work is going to have to own up to this basic fact sooner or later.

A laugh out loud comment.

I have to say that I'm enjoying the fact we're fast careening towards the depths of page 22, given that this whole exercise started with me trying to get to the top of it. Maybe I should circle back round and aim for page 23…

This was my hope from the off. Plenty of practice in more...particular threads than this.

 

[DensleyBlair]

A laugh out loud comment.

I have to concede to Ludovic Kennedy I’m afraid.

This was my hope from the off. Plenty of practice in more...particular threads than this.

I am famously unparticular about my threads, it has to be said.

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

Good clipping, and I do love a bit of Ludo Kennedy both on page and in Yes Minister (obviously never seen his news stuff).

 

[DensleyBlair]

Good clipping, and I do love a bit of Ludo Kennedy both on page and in Yes Minister (obviously never seen his news stuff).

Have to shock/disappoint/disillusion a lot of people here and reveal I've actually never seen any of Yes Minister.

I've also been massively distracted by the snooker so update delayed a little. Looking like it will be a late night special.

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

Have to shock/disappoint/disillusion a lot of people here and reveal I've actually never seen any of Yes Minister.

I didn't know anything of it before someone got me the box set and was quite blown away by it. Certainly worth several hours of your time if you have some. Especially when the more socilaist side of the writing team shows up and makes the whole civil service jump to crush whatever the idea was. Excellent introduction to polics, parliamentary democracy, the civil service, the goverment and British potlcial and governmental issues of the past 500 years, especially the past 50.

 

[DensleyBlair]

I didn't know anything of it before someone got me the box set and was quite blown away by it. Certainly worth several hours of your time if you have some. Especially when the more socilaist side of the writing team shows up and makes the whole civil service jump to crush whatever the idea was. Excellent introduction to polics, parliamentary democracy, the civil service, the goverment and British potlcial and governmental issues of the past 500 years, especially the past 50.

Will have to give it a watch on that recommendation. I do seem to remember once being shown the 'who reads the newspapers' scene during a year 8 English lesson for some reason. Now there's a good bit of writing.

 

[BigBadBob]

Have to shock/disappoint/disillusion a lot of people here and reveal I've actually never seen any of Yes Minister.

I've also been massively distracted by the snooker so update delayed a little. Looking like it will be a late night special.

Good God, man! How can I ever trust you after this?

As someone who's had their fair share of experience with the civil service, I would say Yes, Minister is incredibly accurate in some ways, and very much a couple decades out of date in others (partially due to the effect the show itself had on the public consciousness and the very institutions it portrayed). However, it is still very, very good and, if you want the recent history of Whitehall in comedy form, do watch Yes, Minister, Yes, Prime Minister, The Thick of It, and In The Loop.

Hey, if the snooker got good, the snooker got good. No need to apologise.