So guys, I saw there is a lot of people who has issue with CK3 cultures, what is in, what isn't in the game and where some cultures are/should be. So, why not make a single thread where we express our opinions clearly so that maybe Devs can see it and have an idea without have to browse a lot of threads whom get inevitably buried after some hours/days? Only, let's make it civil, no fighting, no salty posting. Let's only state what we think should get reviewed, if you can post some evidence, it's ok, but don't fight! I could edit OP post to add the issue.
CKIII Dev Diary #27 - Cultures & Cultural Innovations
Issues:
Wolkeg:
Also see pengoyo's tread about his interesting idea about a new, parallel way of grouping cultures.
Issues:
- Cisalpine culture in Northern Italy should be split into Cisalpine and Venetian, it makes no sense to unite them (also see Puking Panda's, .Me's, Karlingid's and mine posts); Lombard shouldn't be in the German culture group.
- French, Occitan and Ango-Saxon culture blog opposed to more granular cultures elsewhere: could add Arpitan, Guascon culture in France (see also Darkath's thread); split Ango-Saxon split anglo-saxon (angles, saxons and jutes?, with Angosaxon as a melting pot?)
- Occitan culture better named Lemosin? (see Ezumiyr's post);
- Catalan and Occitan in the same culture group;
- Cornish not majoriti in Devon
- More pictish scotland?
- Better rename Visigothic to Ibero-Romance in Iberia?
Splitting Iberia blob into Galician, Asturian/Leonese, Castillan, Aragonese, Catalan, Mozarabic, Basques?they are already splitted in 1066 culture map. There is not Mozarabic culture (see Rogan de Auria's post) - Rus' culture named improperly (Russian); also see kikispoke111's thread);
- No Slovenian/Carinthian culture in Istria;
- No Dalmatian culture in Dalmatia; should be in Istria too;
- No Romanic African culture in Africa (maybe add Christian Berbers too?);
- Flanders should be Dutch (not French), also Flemish is an anachronism (should be only Dutch), north-eastern of modern Netherlands should be Saxon;
- Dutch and Franconian/Saxon should be in the same culture group;
- No Albanian cuture (see treb's and cybrxkhan's posts)
- No caucasian Albanian/Udi culture;
- No Assyrian culture;
- No Circassian culture in Causasus; also see mahidevran's post;
- No Caucasian Avars;
- Regarding Caucasus: could use the map in Slime99's post for reference for 1066 start date cultures in the area;
- The spread of Romanian culture is wrong (should not be in Serbia);
- Bulgarian culture (should be Bulgar and not Bulgarian);
- Bosniac culture too early?
- No Basques in Aquitanie;
- Arabia should be divided in "North" (Adnanites) and "South" Arabians (South Semetic/South Arabian/Soqotri/Qahtanite) (see also dark-mysterio's thread);
- Northern Curonian coast was inhabited by Livonians not Balts in both start dates.
- Latgalian should not be the culture of the whole of Latvia at either start date (could simply rename it "Latvian");
- There shouldn't be any Lombards culture at start date;
- No Rhaeto-Romance culture;
- No Chrimea Goths;
- A lot of issues with Vepsian, Sami, Finnish, Mari and Chuvash cultures (see Slime99's, Karlingid's, Aquamancer's posts);
- No Assyrian (they were not Kurds); also see Butterworth's post for Kurds issues;
- Taijik should be called Khorasani, see also elvain's post or mudcrabmerchant's post about merging Taijik with Persian;
- There should be Aramean culture in the Levant, particularly in Syria, with a large christian population until the Crusades;
- Levantine culture as melting pot between Arabic culture and Aramean?
- There should be some Jewish or Samaritan area in the Levant;
- Distinsion between Swabian and Bavarian culture in 867 anachronistic (better united as Suebi/Alemannic); (see this and this Karlingid's posts);
- No Coptic culture;
- Alan culture;
- Coastline from South-Western Estonia to Western coasts of Curonia inhabited by Livonians. Latgals did not have access to the sea;
- Vlach culture issues in this SoKraTes1's thread and Рймлјан's post;
- Wrong Avar culture distribution in 867 start date, should be less present in the area (see SoKraTes1's post for map and more info)
- Too much Hungarian in 1066 (displace Rusyns in Zarpatia and Slovaks); also see Graf Radetzky's and Rhipeen's posts;
- Should add Szekely culture in Hungary (see Рймлја's post);
- in 867 e 1066 startdates southern Tarim Basin should be Khotanese/Saka (or Thocharian in 867 and Uyghur in 1066?), not Sogdian;
- Split Greek culture megablob?
- No Khitan culture in 1066 map;
- Ostyak outdated exonym, it's better Khanty;
- South Asia issues (see Yogh's and Slime 99's posts);
- There should be no Khitan in the map (it was only an outpost), better just Mongols;
- No Romani culture (see this Graf Radetzky's thread for suggestion and namelist);
- Issues with Georgia (see Reavici's post);
- Better to use "Tuva" or "Tuvan" rather than Uriankhai (see also mahidevran's post);
- Samogitia should be part of Lithuania, and there should be a Baltic culture county in the area inhabited by Eastern Galindians (see also Divirix's thread containing a lot of suggestions about Baltic area and much more);
- Add event to colonize saxon in Transilvania if there is a Kingdom of Hungry, see SoKraTes1's post; the same event could be done also in Silesia, Brandenburg, Pomerania and Mecklenburg ;
- There should be no Polabian culture in southern Pomerania, in XII century Pomerania expanted in Lutici loands taking Demmin and Wolast;
- Assamese should be named Kamrupi? (see AliasRy's post for more info);
- There should be more tribal counties in India, India's cultures should be more balkanized too (also see Slime99's post)
- No Iceland culture
- Split Ethiopian into Tigrayan and Amharic, and add Agew culture in southern Ethiopia (see mudcrabmerchant's post)
Wolkeg:
- "We currently don't have Coptic in, but that's not to say it's been axed forever"
- No Anglo-Saxon split for launch;
- "We don't have anything for splitting Cisalpine at the moment, I'm afraid, but that's not necessarily a hard stance."
- About minority cultures/religion: "Lovely concept, sadly nothing we'll have for release." and later "Nothing for release, more than that, I can't say!"
- "No Silesian melting pot culture at the moment, but never say never!"
- No Romani culture for lauch;
- "Dutch is in the Central Germanic culture group, I'm afraid. Not that it didn't have close links to the Scandinavian cultures, just not as close as to Franconian (and, to a much lesser extent, sorta-Saxon). Culture is also not always based on language, even if the judgement is a bit arbitrary and that's the usual baseline: see the Vlachs chumming it up with the South Slavs despite speaking Romance languages which would very determinedly not be mutually-intelligible with Bulgarians, Serbians, and so on. "
- "French will just be Occitan and French at release. A little unfair, I know, but polishing the culture map is one of those tasks that we can keep going at on and on and on forever. Aaaaaaaand, to be honest, probably will. So, as with most other culture fractalising suggestions so far, never say never! "
- "On Brabant & Flanders: I'll have a discussion with some people internally and see if we've got a specific reason for why they are the way they are. Won't promise you anything back, but if it's an oversight, we'll look into it!"
- Outremer is a melting pot;
- "Norse does not currently have any new melting pots"
- Sicilian is a melting pot that take 3,4 or 5 cultures to form;
- Russian will not change for release, but also "I suspect Russian culture may be an area we re-visit after launch, though I can't promise anything there. For the moment, Russian is just Russian."
- As for Frisian/Dutch: " I've heard convincing arguments for Frisians, Dutch, and Lower Franconians. YMMV, but personally I feel that Dutch is the best fit (and by that I mean wrong, but least-wrong in most-areas, which seems to be all we can hope for). At the same time, it's not my call and we're still under development, so that may yet change."
- About Scotland cultures: "We settled on Gaelic and Scots to model the Irish and English speaking dichotomy that existed, as they are commonly-understood terms in the context of modern Scotland and Scottish history. Other candidates like Alban and Inglis were floated, but felt a bit too uncommon and don't quite carry the same connotations. "
Also see pengoyo's tread about his interesting idea about a new, parallel way of grouping cultures.
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