Expel Minorities - Changes
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So, what's the point of expelling the minorities, exactly? I mean, if this change is made, the only use I see for the mechanic will be to reduce development, or for adding some sort of "Slave trade" modifier in the future to let dev from those provinces all be counted towards Diplomatic Development.
I am also missing the point here. What will change in addition to decreased development?
I guess more development in the target province and faster colonization. Which is somewhat lackluster I think. IMHO the root province should also get a modifier ala "Recently expelled minorities" which would give Missionary Strength and Reduced Culture Conversion Cost for a while, so you can, you know, get rid of those minorities if you so choose. Otherwise expelling minorities doesn't help me get that Religious Unity that I wanted to begin with.
I am sure this helps the immersion, but it seems like there is no reason to expel minorities now as it; no longer helps the stability of your country, and simply moves development around, and to a vassal no less.
So just what is the practical benefit of doing it now?
So just what is the practical benefit of doing it now?
Maybe there should be a temporary modifier added to the province being expelled from that would give increased missionary strength and reduced culture conversion? The way I see it now, there isn't actually much reason to do it.
EDIT: That would actually just be pretty much the old system but worse. Maybe it should give unrest reduction instead.
EDIT: That would actually just be pretty much the old system but worse. Maybe it should give unrest reduction instead.
That just brings us back to the original problem. You can't liberate Morocco if there aren't any Moroccans.
The whole expel minority thing is always going to be ahistorical because each province is treated as if it is 100% the same religion and culture.
If someday (EU 5) each province was instead set at various percentages then expelling minorities could make sense, because instead of changing Tangiers from Morrocan and Sunni to Portugese and Catholic, instead it would maybe make 10% change for each.
Cultural conversion and missionaries would gradually shift the percentages. I'd do it so that initially the change is faster (as missionaries convert those who just don't care that much) but slows down over time (as the remaining population to convert is more pious). Thus, if Catholic Spain converts Granada, but just barely, it can easily revert back (particularly if there is some random shifting each year in the percentages).
So, where expelling minorities would come into play would be to get that last stubborn 10 or 20% of the population changed.
If someday (EU 5) each province was instead set at various percentages then expelling minorities could make sense, because instead of changing Tangiers from Morrocan and Sunni to Portugese and Catholic, instead it would maybe make 10% change for each.
Cultural conversion and missionaries would gradually shift the percentages. I'd do it so that initially the change is faster (as missionaries convert those who just don't care that much) but slows down over time (as the remaining population to convert is more pious). Thus, if Catholic Spain converts Granada, but just barely, it can easily revert back (particularly if there is some random shifting each year in the percentages).
So, where expelling minorities would come into play would be to get that last stubborn 10 or 20% of the population changed.
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If?
As if... Paradox would not continue on with its hugely successful flagship series?
Just remember what you said when EU5 does come around.
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Yeah but it doesn't cost any mana anymore. At just the cost of shifting development to your CN, you are increasing colonization speed. The AI isn't going to expel minorities often anymore, so the player has the option of massively outpacing AI colonizers.
Can your low dev farmlands province with a university now be used to feed dev to tropical mountain provinces in your destination?
Well it gives them more development, but the actual speed of new settlers seems to be the same. One major weakness of colonialzation is how long it takes, and I think you would be hard pressed to want to sacrifice your own development to a vassal, especially that you can never annex, and takes quite awhile to reach you in case of war.
Yeah that's the point
On the other hand, expelling minorities in real history does not work as in the game, when Spain did it with Jews and moors, they were expelled from Spain to North Africa, they were not sent to colonize the new world.
As I understand, cheaper (I expect all cost modifiers to be reduced maintenance) and faster colonies.
Still pretty terrible, but it is better as an unused mechanic becuase it sucks than a viable one.
You might as well remove the feature as the changes make it completely useless. So, my understanding you can't remove a feature cause was part of a DLC, but you can make it useless, that won't affect your initial idea... That's ridiculous on my opinion.
I'm against the change on the mechanic, on my opinion was one of the very few things included in the DLC that i used.
It is ahistorical? Yes, but then again so many other stuff on EU4 is.
Does it remove any traces of wrong culture country's? Yes, but so does the change culture button, should we remove that too?
The problem was never this mechanic, was, in my opinion, a completely outdated colony system that needed a major update. (And the big opportunity to do it was GC)
I'm very disappointed with the decision.
I'm against the change on the mechanic, on my opinion was one of the very few things included in the DLC that i used.
It is ahistorical? Yes, but then again so many other stuff on EU4 is.
Does it remove any traces of wrong culture country's? Yes, but so does the change culture button, should we remove that too?
The problem was never this mechanic, was, in my opinion, a completely outdated colony system that needed a major update. (And the big opportunity to do it was GC)
I'm very disappointed with the decision.
The point of a mechanic is to be useful, now it is worse it is pointless. Granted I do not colonize that much anyway, because the whole colonialzation thing is lackluster. But the mechanic was useful when you were colonizing. All this just to keep a few areas from changing culture?
