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Sir-Rogers said:
Not free, as is right now with my accumulated 200 AE and power costs being increased by 200% due to that AE it will be a long time before that "free" real estate can be grabbed. Adding to the fact that I'm not in the top list of people with inventions and that civic power is used for both inventions and relocating pops ... the inventions take priority. Pops can always be taken from other places if necessary, if you catch my drift :) But inventions don't come from anywhere else.

It also so happens that I wasn't aware of some changes being made so I spent all of last session without the matching ideas bonus power generation, leaving me pretty dry on that front.
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What idea do u need that costs a lot of power? :)
 
delta180 said:
I would like to apologise for saying he has little experience, I was mistaken and you have convinced me he knows very well how to play the game, as for the multiplayer aspect of the game I am not convinced it should have been so quick and easy for Kaiser Johan to fell Carthage, Carthage was being played by the tech lead for Imperator who also should have a lot of experience in the game
also the times in multiplayer EU4 and Stellaris when we saw the Kaiser at his best was when he was basically playing singleplayer, forming Prussia and taking over Germany, as Byzantium he mostly expanded away from where players were and in most of his not one sided player wars he was a defender, as Dithmarschen he managed to escape all the other players in order to take over the new world and in Stellaris he didn't attack anyone else at all
Kaiser Johan is indisputably a great player in all of these games but his style is more tailored to singleplayer than multiplayer yet he took down a near equally experience player led Carthage before the 2nd punic war should have started
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I have to say that Carthage did not do a good job at all during the first years of the clash. Rome was expanding like crazy and he did nothing to halt its spread. Carthage's holdings in Africa and Iberia are relatively poor compared to the huge wealth present in Italy.

A proper Carthage strategy would've been spreading into mainland Italy and keeping strict naval dominance of the central Mediterranean, moreso if you know that Rome's player is experienced with an extremely similar Paradox game like EU4. Conquering Sicily and keeping it as a naval base, then going further into the boot and taking on the Greek states there before bordering Rome and dealing a coup-de-grace when your army is ready.

Then again, the Dev Clash is all in good fun, so it's very possible the tech lead wasn't expecting such a bold move from KaiserJohan at all and was caught completely offguard. By the time Rome had a firm grip on southern Italy it was all over for Carthage.

We should've also seen moves from the Epirus player, but he seemed focused on keeping his tech up instead of going for the Pyrrhus move and taking southern Italy. Now he's stuck between Macedon and Rome.
 
cosmeIII said:
We should've also seen moves from the Epirus player, but he seemed focused on keeping his tech up instead of going for the Pyrrhus move and taking southern Italy. Now he's stuck between Macedon and Rome.
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Epirus is played by Katz, the player who gave us Viyanayagar back in the thunderdome.
He's a good player, but he doens't seem to be willing to take the initiative on his own.
 
cosmeIII said:
A proper Carthage strategy would've been spreading into mainland Italy and keeping strict naval dominance of the central Mediterranean, moreso if you know that Rome's player is experienced with an extremely similar Paradox game like EU4. Conquering Sicily and keeping it as a naval base, then going further into the boot and taking on the Greek states there before bordering Rome and dealing a coup-de-grace when your army is ready.
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I think even without doing this he could have been able to hold his own with a proper (read: larger and more capable than Rome) navy. Fight the first couple of wars to a stalemate by crushing the Roman fleet and eventually get some other player allies to assist in taking the fight to Rome.

Instead he had a huge army, and no way to get it to the decisive point because kaiserjohan owned the seas.
 
Rhapture said:
Except the Devs answer to that is to make it more costly to reduce AE. Which seems overly simplistic. Blobbing very fast should result in real issues: cultural clashes, powerful opposition families, revolts, generals gaining cohort loyalty faster. But none of those things seemed to happen in the dev clash. There seems to be too much button pushing to make problems disappear. Spend some religious points to change pops, spend some power to reduce AE.

Im sure writing code for all of that is time consuming and then you need to test it all again. And the simplistic way means the player doesn't have to micromanage every province. But it sure takes out the immersive quality of the game.
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I didn't say their solution was a good one, just that players blobbing so easily seems to be a bit of a problem.
 
lwarmonger said:
I think even without doing this he could have been able to hold his own with a proper (read: larger and more capable than Rome) navy. Fight the first couple of wars to a stalemate by crushing the Roman fleet and eventually get some other player allies to assist in taking the fight to Rome.

Instead he had a huge army, and no way to get it to the decisive point because kaiserjohan owned the seas.
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sounds like he didn't channel his inner Hannibal enough, he should have ignored building a navy and marched his army though Spain and France and over the alps to attack Rome
 
I find Naval Supremacy to be absolutely vital in I:R, more so than EU4. The threat of being able to drop 100k legionnares in the enemies capital, pillage his heartlands and enslave his people while they take the long march around towards Rome is no small thing. Also a free win if you select a conquest wargoal on an island, as you can then force the peace whenever you want :)

(I seem to be the only one who thinks the -50% Trireme Cost idea is OP aswell but please don't tell anyone :>)
 
KaiserJohan said:
I find Naval Supremacy to be absolutely vital in I:R, more so than EU4. The threat of being able to drop 100k legionnares in the enemies capital, pillage his heartlands and enslave his people while they take the long march around towards Rome is no small thing. Also a free win if you select a conquest wargoal on an island, as you can then force the peace whenever you want :)

(I seem to be the only one who thinks the -50% Trireme Cost idea is OP aswell but please don't tell anyone :>)
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I suppose that's what keeps Egypt at bay and deters them from fighting you. Phew, marching from Egypt to Rome through Phrygia and Greece or to Carthage through the NAfrican deserto_O
 
KaiserJohan said:
(I seem to be the only one who thinks the -50% Trireme Cost idea is OP aswell but please don't tell anyone :>)
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Out of curiosity, how frequent would you say balance issues being discovered due to dev clashes/other internal MP games is compared to bugs being discovered due to those things?
 
Silversweeeper said:
Out of curiosity, how frequent would you say balance issues being discovered due to dev clashes/other internal MP games is compared to bugs being discovered due to those things?
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We do find and look for both :)
Balance-wise, AE is the one that springs to mind, although we've discussed it since well-before the devclash started. The devclash save is quite old though and the gamestate is not always represenative anymore. I would argue the MP stability is the most useful feedback, balance stuff we can always find when playing singleplayer :)
 
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@RodDel sorry not sorry
 
Pritannia should get the greatest coward Award, they had naval superiority and Rome rather far away and what do they do, abandon their allies and the war.
 
553 AB URBE CONDITA
worldmap_political_553_07_01.png

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* Multiplayer Statistics
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Score
  1. Pritania 13969
  2. Rome 9931
  3. Epirus 6855
  4. Dacia 5831
  5. Celticia 5662
  6. Bletonisia 4724
  7. Anuradhapura 4503
  8. Sequania 4423
  9. Macedon 3550
  10. Maurya 3394
  11. Pergamon 3377
  12. Chola 3351
  13. Bosporan Kingdom 3288
  14. Nitiobrogia 3254
  15. Kush 2974
  16. Phrygia 2765
  17. Shule 2483
  18. Sevacia 2380
  19. Atropatene 2329
  20. Ausetania 2325
Income
  1. Rome 171.50
  2. Maurya 162.36
  3. Phrygia 86.57
  4. Egypt 85.52
  5. Armenia 51.13
  6. Pritania 50.90
  7. Bactria 49.78
  8. Kush 31.18
  9. Saxonia 30.74
  10. Dacia 28.58
  11. Celticia 27.48
  12. Seleucid Empire 26.80
  13. Macedon 25.19
  14. Carthage 24.10
  15. Anuradhapura 24.00
  16. Bosporan Kingdom 23.91
  17. Ausetania 20.30
  18. Chola 19.69
  19. Bletonisia 19.01
  20. Nitiobrogia 15.30
Population
  1. Maurya 8521
  2. Rome 7075
  3. Phrygia 4903
  4. Egypt 4337
  5. Armenia 3659
  6. Pritania 3648
  7. Bactria 2044
  8. Dacia 2042
  9. Kush 1952
  10. Macedon 1747
  11. Saxonia 1682
  12. Seleucid Empire 1481
  13. Celticia 1408
  14. Carthage 1273
  15. Anuradhapura 1251
  16. Chola 1206
  17. Bosporan Kingdom 965
  18. Bletonisia 843
  19. Atropatene 737
  20. Cappadocia 736
Max Manpower
  1. Rome 681K
  2. Maurya 430K
  3. Egypt 303K
  4. Armenia 260K
  5. Phrygia 242K
  6. Pritania 213K
  7. Dacia 177K
  8. Bactria 166K
  9. Macedon 143K
  10. Bosporan Kingdom 143K
  11. Kush 112K
  12. Anuradhapura 106K
  13. Chola 103K
  14. Saxonia 91,840
  15. Celticia 81,590
  16. Atropatene 75,410
  17. Seleucid Empire 62,730
  18. Parthia 45,470
  19. Epirus 44,760
  20. Nitiobrogia 39,910
Cohorts
  1. Rome 379
  2. Saxonia 191
  3. Maurya 170
  4. Egypt 150
  5. Carthage 129
  6. Pritania 119
  7. Bactria 106
  8. Phrygia 86
  9. Dacia 86
  10. Kush 84
  11. Anuradhapura 83
  12. Armenia 80
  13. Bosporan Kingdom 77
  14. Sequania 71
  15. Suionia 68
  16. Celticia 65
  17. Tilataeia 61
  18. Macedon 60
  19. Chola 57
  20. Semnonia 55
Ships
  1. Pritania 218
  2. Rome 174
  3. Egypt 96
  4. Maurya 74
  5. Phrygia 69
  6. Seleucid Empire 41
  7. Kush 26
  8. Epirus 21
  9. Varinia 19
  10. Maka 18
  11. Bletonisia 14
  12. Gerrha 13
  13. Dacia 11
  14. Suionia 9
  15. Macedon 9
  16. Ausetania 7
  17. Langobardia 7
  18. Vasconia 7
  19. Anuradhapura 5
  20. Abria 4
Inventions
  1. Commagene 88
  2. Lobetania 86
  3. Sidon 83
  4. Guthonia 83
  5. Coerensia 82
  6. Mantinea 82
  7. Ceutronia 81
  8. Cataria 81
  9. Maurya 79
  10. Bosporan Kingdom 79
  11. Anuradhapura 78
  12. Lugia 78
  13. Kotyora 78
  14. Pishan 78
  15. Hemeroskopeion 78
  16. Sevacia 77
  17. Duitiquia 77
  18. Knidos 76
  19. Carthage 76
  20. Phrygia 75
Biggest Cities
  1. Pataliputra in Maurya 183
  2. Roma in Rome 150
  3. Alexandria in Egypt 148
  4. Edessa in Phrygia 125
  5. Andhapura in Andhra 110
  6. Chauon in Armenia 91
  7. Antigonia in Phrygia 89
  8. Comidava in Dacia 89
  9. Kushmeikhan in Bactria 82
  10. Malos in Phrygia 77
  11. Anuradhapura in Anuradhapura 74
  12. Bhamangati in Maurya 74
  13. Marakanda in Bactria 67
  14. Naukratis in Egypt 65
  15. Meroe in Kush 64
  16. Bactra in Bactria 64
  17. Kancipuram in Chola 63
  18. Memphis in Egypt 62
  19. Leontopolis in Egypt 58
  20. Gazrik in Armenia 56
 

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Groogy said:
553 AB URBE CONDITA
worldmap_political_553_07_01.png

*****************************************************
* Multiplayer Statistics
*****************************************************
Score
  1. Pritania 13969
  2. Rome 9931
  3. Epirus 6855
  4. Dacia 5831
  5. Celticia 5662
  6. Bletonisia 4724
  7. Anuradhapura 4503
  8. Sequania 4423
  9. Macedon 3550
  10. Maurya 3394
  11. Pergamon 3377
  12. Chola 3351
  13. Bosporan Kingdom 3288
  14. Nitiobrogia 3254
  15. Kush 2974
  16. Phrygia 2765
  17. Shule 2483
  18. Sevacia 2380
  19. Atropatene 2329
  20. Ausetania 2325
Income
  1. Rome 171.50
  2. Maurya 162.36
  3. Phrygia 86.57
  4. Egypt 85.52
  5. Armenia 51.13
  6. Pritania 50.90
  7. Bactria 49.78
  8. Kush 31.18
  9. Saxonia 30.74
  10. Dacia 28.58
  11. Celticia 27.48
  12. Seleucid Empire 26.80
  13. Macedon 25.19
  14. Carthage 24.10
  15. Anuradhapura 24.00
  16. Bosporan Kingdom 23.91
  17. Ausetania 20.30
  18. Chola 19.69
  19. Bletonisia 19.01
  20. Nitiobrogia 15.30
Population
  1. Maurya 8521
  2. Rome 7075
  3. Phrygia 4903
  4. Egypt 4337
  5. Armenia 3659
  6. Pritania 3648
  7. Bactria 2044
  8. Dacia 2042
  9. Kush 1952
  10. Macedon 1747
  11. Saxonia 1682
  12. Seleucid Empire 1481
  13. Celticia 1408
  14. Carthage 1273
  15. Anuradhapura 1251
  16. Chola 1206
  17. Bosporan Kingdom 965
  18. Bletonisia 843
  19. Atropatene 737
  20. Cappadocia 736
Max Manpower
  1. Rome 681K
  2. Maurya 430K
  3. Egypt 303K
  4. Armenia 260K
  5. Phrygia 242K
  6. Pritania 213K
  7. Dacia 177K
  8. Bactria 166K
  9. Macedon 143K
  10. Bosporan Kingdom 143K
  11. Kush 112K
  12. Anuradhapura 106K
  13. Chola 103K
  14. Saxonia 91,840
  15. Celticia 81,590
  16. Atropatene 75,410
  17. Seleucid Empire 62,730
  18. Parthia 45,470
  19. Epirus 44,760
  20. Nitiobrogia 39,910
Cohorts
  1. Rome 379
  2. Saxonia 191
  3. Maurya 170
  4. Egypt 150
  5. Carthage 129
  6. Pritania 119
  7. Bactria 106
  8. Phrygia 86
  9. Dacia 86
  10. Kush 84
  11. Anuradhapura 83
  12. Armenia 80
  13. Bosporan Kingdom 77
  14. Sequania 71
  15. Suionia 68
  16. Celticia 65
  17. Tilataeia 61
  18. Macedon 60
  19. Chola 57
  20. Semnonia 55
Ships
  1. Pritania 218
  2. Rome 174
  3. Egypt 96
  4. Maurya 74
  5. Phrygia 69
  6. Seleucid Empire 41
  7. Kush 26
  8. Epirus 21
  9. Varinia 19
  10. Maka 18
  11. Bletonisia 14
  12. Gerrha 13
  13. Dacia 11
  14. Suionia 9
  15. Macedon 9
  16. Ausetania 7
  17. Langobardia 7
  18. Vasconia 7
  19. Anuradhapura 5
  20. Abria 4
Inventions
  1. Commagene 88
  2. Lobetania 86
  3. Sidon 83
  4. Guthonia 83
  5. Coerensia 82
  6. Mantinea 82
  7. Ceutronia 81
  8. Cataria 81
  9. Maurya 79
  10. Bosporan Kingdom 79
  11. Anuradhapura 78
  12. Lugia 78
  13. Kotyora 78
  14. Pishan 78
  15. Hemeroskopeion 78
  16. Sevacia 77
  17. Duitiquia 77
  18. Knidos 76
  19. Carthage 76
  20. Phrygia 75
Biggest Cities
  1. Pataliputra in Maurya 183
  2. Roma in Rome 150
  3. Alexandria in Egypt 148
  4. Edessa in Phrygia 125
  5. Andhapura in Andhra 110
  6. Chauon in Armenia 91
  7. Antigonia in Phrygia 89
  8. Comidava in Dacia 89
  9. Kushmeikhan in Bactria 82
  10. Malos in Phrygia 77
  11. Anuradhapura in Anuradhapura 74
  12. Bhamangati in Maurya 74
  13. Marakanda in Bactria 67
  14. Naukratis in Egypt 65
  15. Meroe in Kush 64
  16. Bactra in Bactria 64
  17. Kancipuram in Chola 63
  18. Memphis in Egypt 62
  19. Leontopolis in Egypt 58
  20. Gazrik in Armenia 56
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Either the game didn't save the last things shown in stream or otherwise you haven't made the map from the last part, since the stream clearly showed Rome taking most of Carthage at the end. Though if the game did crash on the peace deal itself I could see why it's not included.
 
Wagonlitz said:
Either the game didn't save the last things shown in stream or otherwise you haven't made the map from the last part, since the stream clearly showed Rome taking most of Carthage at the end. Though if the game did crash on the peace deal itself I could see why it's not included.
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You can see the territory Rome took is occupied so the game probably crashed.
 
Groogy said:
553 AB URBE CONDITA
worldmap_political_553_07_01.png

*****************************************************
* Multiplayer Statistics
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Score



    • Pritania 13969
    • Rome 9931
    • Epirus 6855
    • Dacia 5831
    • Celticia 5662
    • Bletonisia 4724
    • Anuradhapura 4503
    • Sequania 4423
    • Macedon 3550
    • Maurya 3394
    • Pergamon 3377
    • Chola 3351
    • Bosporan Kingdom 3288
    • Nitiobrogia 3254
    • Kush 2974
    • Phrygia 2765
    • Shule 2483
    • Sevacia 2380
    • Atropatene 2329
    • Ausetania 2325
Income



    • Rome 171.50
    • Maurya 162.36
    • Phrygia 86.57
    • Egypt 85.52
    • Armenia 51.13
    • Pritania 50.90
    • Bactria 49.78
    • Kush 31.18
    • Saxonia 30.74
    • Dacia 28.58
    • Celticia 27.48
    • Seleucid Empire 26.80
    • Macedon 25.19
    • Carthage 24.10
    • Anuradhapura 24.00
    • Bosporan Kingdom 23.91
    • Ausetania 20.30
    • Chola 19.69
    • Bletonisia 19.01
    • Nitiobrogia 15.30
Population



    • Maurya 8521
    • Rome 7075
    • Phrygia 4903
    • Egypt 4337
    • Armenia 3659
    • Pritania 3648
    • Bactria 2044
    • Dacia 2042
    • Kush 1952
    • Macedon 1747
    • Saxonia 1682
    • Seleucid Empire 1481
    • Celticia 1408
    • Carthage 1273
    • Anuradhapura 1251
    • Chola 1206
    • Bosporan Kingdom 965
    • Bletonisia 843
    • Atropatene 737
    • Cappadocia 736
Max Manpower



    • Rome 681K
    • Maurya 430K
    • Egypt 303K
    • Armenia 260K
    • Phrygia 242K
    • Pritania 213K
    • Dacia 177K
    • Bactria 166K
    • Macedon 143K
    • Bosporan Kingdom 143K
    • Kush 112K
    • Anuradhapura 106K
    • Chola 103K
    • Saxonia 91,840
    • Celticia 81,590
    • Atropatene 75,410
    • Seleucid Empire 62,730
    • Parthia 45,470
    • Epirus 44,760
    • Nitiobrogia 39,910
Cohorts



    • Rome 379
    • Saxonia 191
    • Maurya 170
    • Egypt 150
    • Carthage 129
    • Pritania 119
    • Bactria 106
    • Phrygia 86
    • Dacia 86
    • Kush 84
    • Anuradhapura 83
    • Armenia 80
    • Bosporan Kingdom 77
    • Sequania 71
    • Suionia 68
    • Celticia 65
    • Tilataeia 61
    • Macedon 60
    • Chola 57
    • Semnonia 55
Ships



    • Pritania 218
    • Rome 174
    • Egypt 96
    • Maurya 74
    • Phrygia 69
    • Seleucid Empire 41
    • Kush 26
    • Epirus 21
    • Varinia 19
    • Maka 18
    • Bletonisia 14
    • Gerrha 13
    • Dacia 11
    • Suionia 9
    • Macedon 9
    • Ausetania 7
    • Langobardia 7
    • Vasconia 7
    • Anuradhapura 5
    • Abria 4
Inventions



    • Commagene 88
    • Lobetania 86
    • Sidon 83
    • Guthonia 83
    • Coerensia 82
    • Mantinea 82
    • Ceutronia 81
    • Cataria 81
    • Maurya 79
    • Bosporan Kingdom 79
    • Anuradhapura 78
    • Lugia 78
    • Kotyora 78
    • Pishan 78
    • Hemeroskopeion 78
    • Sevacia 77
    • Duitiquia 77
    • Knidos 76
    • Carthage 76
    • Phrygia 75
Biggest Cities



    • Pataliputra in Maurya 183
    • Roma in Rome 150
    • Alexandria in Egypt 148
    • Edessa in Phrygia 125
    • Andhapura in Andhra 110
    • Chauon in Armenia 91
    • Antigonia in Phrygia 89
    • Comidava in Dacia 89
    • Kushmeikhan in Bactria 82
    • Malos in Phrygia 77
    • Anuradhapura in Anuradhapura 74
    • Bhamangati in Maurya 74
    • Marakanda in Bactria 67
    • Naukratis in Egypt 65
    • Meroe in Kush 64
    • Bactra in Bactria 64
    • Kancipuram in Chola 63
    • Memphis in Egypt 62
    • Leontopolis in Egypt 58
    • Gazrik in Armenia 56
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Wagonlitz said:
Either the game didn't save the last things shown in stream or otherwise you haven't made the map from the last part, since the stream clearly showed Rome taking most of Carthage at the end. Though if the game did crash on the peace deal itself I could see why it's not included.
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That's got to be worse for Gorion, since he's going to have to watch as @KaiserJohan's Rome completely annexes his country (Carthage) all over again and knowing there's not a single thing he can do about it.
 
Nerdman3000 said:
That's got to be worse for Gorion, since he's going to have to watch as @KaiserJohan's Rome completely annexes his country (Carthage) all over again and knowing there's not a single thing he can do about it.
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He didn't get fully annexed. Though, I wonder if that wasn't possible or if it just was KJ wanting the war over before the end of the session. Since when Jake played around with the peace screen it seemed like he could take everything.
 
Nerdman3000 said:
That's got to be worse for Gorion, since he's going to have to watch as @KaiserJohan's Rome completely annexes his country (Carthage) all over again and knowing there's not a single thing he can do about it.
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I wonder if Gorion will even load in as Carthage. The country is clearly dead... loading in as them does nothing.
 
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