Hello fellow forumites,
I'm sure most of you have at least once experienced the issue of high liberty desire subjects that are not by far strong enough to declare independence and thus will stay disloyal for eternity.
Things like this can happen for example when a small vassal gets a few province defections shooting their LD to astronomical levels, not taking into account the fact that its overlord is far stronger and there is nobody around to support independence.
In such a case I just wish there would be a way to put that nonsensically disloyal subject back into its place by force, but this is impossible unless they declare independence, which in the most annoying cases they are in no position to.
I propose to add an "Enforce Loyalty" casus belli for any overlord against disloyal subjects. In the war the subject would be able to call in their allies and everyone supporting their independence. If the overlord wins the war, there is a special peace option called "Suppress Liberty Desire", which annuls all alliances of that subject with other subjects, cancels Support independence treaties and lowers liberty desire either by adding a decaying -50 like the one after an independence war, by removing modifiers like defected provinces or religion enforcement, or maybe both. If the subject wins the war it gets the possiblity to declare independence.
Perhaps, to prevent gamey tactics like: Enforce religion -> declare war before disloyal subject can get nations to support their independence -> profit, the subject could be enabled sign Support independence treaties during the war, dragging them in.
Thoughts?
I'm sure most of you have at least once experienced the issue of high liberty desire subjects that are not by far strong enough to declare independence and thus will stay disloyal for eternity.
Things like this can happen for example when a small vassal gets a few province defections shooting their LD to astronomical levels, not taking into account the fact that its overlord is far stronger and there is nobody around to support independence.
In such a case I just wish there would be a way to put that nonsensically disloyal subject back into its place by force, but this is impossible unless they declare independence, which in the most annoying cases they are in no position to.
I propose to add an "Enforce Loyalty" casus belli for any overlord against disloyal subjects. In the war the subject would be able to call in their allies and everyone supporting their independence. If the overlord wins the war, there is a special peace option called "Suppress Liberty Desire", which annuls all alliances of that subject with other subjects, cancels Support independence treaties and lowers liberty desire either by adding a decaying -50 like the one after an independence war, by removing modifiers like defected provinces or religion enforcement, or maybe both. If the subject wins the war it gets the possiblity to declare independence.
Perhaps, to prevent gamey tactics like: Enforce religion -> declare war before disloyal subject can get nations to support their independence -> profit, the subject could be enabled sign Support independence treaties during the war, dragging them in.
Thoughts?
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