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Could I have a breakdown of the current political parties and their ideologies?

((The list of parties on the first page found here should still be accurate, although some of the individual party policies may have changed.))
 
I support the intent of the Government Indoctrination Bill - but I have some concerns about its wording. I believe in its present form, it goes both too far and not far enough.

Not far enough, because its first half only covers "indoctrination". The taxpayer-funded distribution of pro-government propoganda posters, for example, could be held to be "not indoctrination" because they do not apply any kind of force and still leave people with a choice. Herr Anderson has already made such arguments concerning his present plan (decrying "Conservative propoganda" in the process, thus displaying a bewildering lack of self-awareness).

And too far, because its second half covers any "illegal use of Government resources" - a minor government bureaucrat who mistakenly takes home a few pencils from a government storeroom could now potentially face a five-year prison sentence for "illegal use" (theft) of "Government resources" (pencils). To me, this seems a bit harsh.

I would like to suggest the following amended wording:

- All public literature, communication and broadcasts funded by public funds - or made by the civil service - must be impartial, giving no undue weight or endorsement to any political ideology or single political party.
- Anyone found to be wilfully using public funds or the civil service bureaucracy to encourage a particular political ideology or party may up to five years' imprisonment.
- (( Supporting [Ideology] National Foci are illegal from now on.))

(( No change to the in-game consequences of TJDS's proposal, just a fluff difference only. ))

Herr Adimari, kindly wait until our next session of the Reichstag to propose further legislation. Thank you.

"After the most unfortunate loss of Herr Andersen and the loss of the UAI in this government, I hereby fires Herr Andersen from his post of minister of the interior. The HUN have decided to go into a coalition with my current administration and pI roposes this new cabinet:

Kanzler: Konrad von Schwaben
Minister of the interior: Friedrich von Hohenstaufen
Foreign minister: Fritz von Hohenzollern
Minister of War: Hals Gutfruend
Minister of Finance: Franz von Bavel-Timmermans
Minister of Education: Walther Herwig

The only individual permitted to hold two offices is the Chancellor; if Friedrich von Hohenstaufen wishes to serve as Minister of the Interior, he must resign as Chief of the General Staff. Further, if Herr von Bavel-Timmermans and Herwig wish to switch offices, that is acceptable, but the Supreme Court needs to hear from them. Furthermore, the Minister of the Interior must either be stripped of office through a vote of no-confidence, resign, or refuse to amend his proposals. The Chancellor does not have the authority to unilaterally fire a minister without cause.

I'm not sure what the legal process is now the Liberal government has fallen apart. Does the Reichspräsident now need to grant our new coalition the right to form a government? Are we to have new elections? Or do we just proceed with the new cabinet?

Because the NLPD-HUN coalition does offer 50% +1 of the vote, the Supreme Court rules that the existing government may continue. The Reichspräsident does have the ability to veto any of the new ministries, should he choose, but he cannot reject any coalition which controls a sufficient portion of the vote.

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
 
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The Chief Justice will remember that their is no legislation prohibitting the Chief of the General Staff (or any government minister, for that matter) from also serving as Interior Minister, so long as he is not a member of the ruling party or the Chancellor. Furthermore, the previous Minister of the Interior resigned, thereby allowing the Chancellor to appoint a new minister to replace him.

~ Friedrich von Hohenstaufen, Chief of the General Staff and Minister of the Interior

((I don't see how Gen. Marshall could leave the coalition government and retain his office, so I took his post as a de facto resignation. Also, it's hard to interpret an uncodified, somewhat OOC constitution.))
 
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I must applaud the Chancellor's reaction to a plot within his own coalition and his choice in new partner. I must also decry the actions of Heer, Andersen who has now twice shown himself as a most dishonorable gentlemen I do hope that this trend is corrected soon.
 
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The Chief Justice will remember that their is no legislation prohibitting the Chief of the General Staff (or any government minister, for that matter) from also serving as Interior Minister, so long as he is not a member of the ruling party or the Chancellor. Furthermore, the previous Minister of the Interior resigned, thereby allowing the Chancellor to appoint a new minister to replace him.

~ Friedrich von Hohenstaufen, Chief of the General Staff and Minister of the Interior

((I don't see how Gen. Marshall could leave the coalition government and retain his office, so I took his post as a de facto resignation. Also, it's hard to interpret an uncodified, somewhat OOC constitution.))

((If you think you're doing something that might or might not be okay, PM me. I, personally, do not want one player holding multiple offices because it reduces opportunities for other people to get involved. Further, the HUN is probably the most active party in the game, so there are plenty of alternatives. :) I do understand that being Chief of the General Staff when we have no wars is sort of dull.

In the interest of keeping things moving, if your life will be a barren wasteland, devoid of all meaning without holding both positions concurrently, we can let it go this one time. However, this is an exceptional situation and, going forward, will not be permitted.))

The Supreme Court accepts Herr von Hohenstaufen's interpretation and formally declares the office of Minister of the Interior vacant. The office may be filled by Herr von Hohenstaufen as a one-time exception, however, it is the Court's opinion that our past traditions, coupled by the clear intent of the original framers of the Constitution, prohibits any one individual from holding two offices simultaneously apart from the Chancellor, who is expressly granted the right to hold one additional office. The Chancellor's proposed new cabinet, however, remains unacceptable, given that two members have swapped positions. As proposals have already been passed, both individuals must first acknowledge they wish to exchange positions, and then accept that they are bound by their predecessor's plans for at least one calendar year.

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
 
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Could I have a breakdown of the current political parties and their ideologies?

((If you'd like a slightly more thorough description of each political party than the five-bullet-points you'll find on Page 1, here you go. (Though bear in mind that, as leader of the New Society party, I'm probably quite biased!)

In roughly chronological order of appearance:

Imperialists - Reactionary. Originally, when the Holy Roman Empire became the German Republic in the 1750s, this party (then the "Young Bavarians") stood for the reinstatement of the Hohenzollern monarchy and the abolition of all this "democracy" nonsense. Over the years, this party has reinvented themselves as a constitutional-monarchy party, supporting the present democracy plus a figurehead Hohenzollern monarch - and in recent years, several of their members have reinvented themselves again into a more traditional-reactionary obstructionist group, opposing any and all change to anything whatsoever.

German Democratic Alliance (DDA, or Alliance) - Anarcho-Liberal. Formerly "The Alliance of Commoners and Merchants for a Holy Roman Republic". Our most radically free-market-liberal party, the Alliance has been the home of the Republic's more radical marxists and pacifists (remember, though, that in this timeline Karl Marx was the free-market-libertarian figurehead of the Jacobins). Not quite as "Anarcho" as their party category whould suggest. They've generally been struggling to find voters since the conversion to Victoria 2.

Union of Allied Interests (UAI) - Liberal. Formerly the "Unger-Asch Initiative". Originally a centrist-Liberal middle-ground between the Young Bavarians and the Alliance. Our original vanilla Liberal party. In favour of political reforms (but who isn't these days?), lower taxes, and free-market economics.

New Society - Conservative. Formerly the "Gentlemen's Society". Started out as a voice of the aristocracy, and is thus labelled "Conservative", although in the present day this party is more centrist. Strongly supports the political reforms we have at the moment (ie. all of them, except Socialist Trade Unions), so it'd be considered quite firmly Liberal by most of the other nations of Europe. Is thoroughly unconvinced by this Lassez-Faire Free Market business, and would much rather reinstate the State Planning Commission that - until recently - made the Republic the industrial powerhouse it is today.

Hohenzollern-Unger Nationalist Party (HUN) - Conservative. Our more Jingoist party, supporting a more aggressive and colonialist approach to foreign policy. Less well-defined on domestic policy, you'll find an interesting mix of opinions - ranging from the Liberator's brand of radical Liberation philosophy to "whatever the Liberals don't want".

National Liberal Party of Germany (NLPD) - Liberal. Formed almost entirely of former UAI members, after a falling out over party leadership. Generally follows the standard Liberal line. Our present ruling party, having managed to turn a wave of nationalist fervour (following a war against Britain, then immediately a civil war against the Socialists) into a wave of NLPD popularity among the People. Or maybe it was the public endorsement of Karl Marx, or maybe it was all those rifles 'guarding' the polling booths in that last election. We'll see how long their popularity lasts.

Socialist Party (SP) - Socialist. Originally the Socialist Democratic Workers' Party (SDAP), a moderate-socialist party supporting pacifism, planned economy and the German worker. Are gradually becoming more fervent in their ideology - you're more likely now to hear talk of "seizing the means of production" and so forth. Not at all responsible for the Socialist uprisings of last year, honest.

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Or if none of those flavours of ice cream take your fancy, we've got a few factions wandering around without enough active Stadtholders or Assemblymen to form a full party. Maybe with your support, they could find themselves raised to the required four members?

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Society for Home Rule - also known as the Federalist Club. This organisation supports the decentralisation of the Republic of Germany, and specifically the creation of a separate Italian Parliament. Maintains that it is just a "body for like minded politicians to meet" rather than a fully-fledged political party.

Social-Liberal Democrats - Socialist. A more moderate group of independent Socialists dissatisfied with the SP's increasingly far-left stance. Somewhere roughly halfway between the SP and the NLPD. Led by Franz von Bavel-Timmermans.

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Hopefully I've not maligned anyone's political positions. Other parties, feel free to correct or clarify anything I've said here.))
 
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((Wait, so the UAI no longer means Unger-Asch Initiative? How did I miss that?

PTSnoop forgot to include the part about the Imperialists being the embodiment of all that is German and the vanguard against the evils of liberalism, socialism, and even left-leaning conservatism. The German people are merely being indoctrinated by the left, as we have seen, so that's why the Imperialist vote is so low. I may be slightly biased. :p))
 
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((Wait, so the UAI no longer means Unger-Asch Initiative? How did I miss that?

((Yeah, I'm as surprised as you are. But as I was grepping through earlier pages of the thread to find out what the original idea behind the HUN was, I found right at the top of Page 91 that the UAI had been the Union of Allied Interests since the prologue on Page 1. It's true!))
 
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...or maybe it was all those rifles 'guarding' the polling booths in that last election...

((Quite biased indeed :D You should totally join the NLPD))

I would like to propose the following bill ((I can still do that right? If not, reserve it a spot after the election..))

Chancellor Service Act

§1 The sitting Chancellor may, if he choose to and if there is a majority behind him, to serve to another term.

§2 A new maximum of terms shall be four periods.

§3 If the majority is against the Chancellor, he may not serve another term.


§4 If in any the Chancellor misuses his power or public funds, he is to be immdeatly dismissed and new elections shall be called.

§5 All current rules and laws regarding the Chancellors and his powers shall still be in place.

~ Konrad von Schwaben
 
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Chancellor Service Act

And once more - yet again - we see a so-called "Liberal" party abandoning the democratic principles it purports to stand for. Dissatisfied with the limit of his term, our Chancellor desires the seat of government for another two years. Presumably, were we to acquiesce, we would see another term extension at the end of the four-year period? How about after eight years? At what point does the phrase "dictator for life" start to work its way into the discussion?

I must most strongly object to the suggestion of our Chancellor granting himself an extension of office.

- Fortunately, I expect our Chancellor's proposal will not meet with much support from his own party. Unless each one of them truly wishes to remain subservient under Herr von Schwaben's personal authority for the next fifty years!

((Never forget glorious socialism, this round with less marx and less oppression :D ))

(( Be patient, we've not got any Communist parties in game yet. Plenty of time left for the true uprising of the proletariat! ))
 
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And once more - yet again - we see a so-called "Liberal" party abandoning the democratic principles it purports to stand for. Dissatisfied with the limit of his term, our Chancellor desires the seat of government for another two years. Presumably, were we to acquiesce, we would see another term extension at the end of the four-year period? How about after eight years? At what point does the phrase "dictator for life" start to work its way into the discussion?

I must most strongly object to the suggestion of our Chancellor granting himself an extension of office.

- Fortunately, I expect our Chancellor's proposal will not meet with much support from his own party. Unless each one of them truly wishes to remain subservient under Herr von Schwaben's personal authority for the next fifty years!


Why not? We have the Reichpräsident to keep control over the Kanzler, and fifty years? Don't be ridiculous. If I wanted to be a dictator we can that arranged, I do not like the idea of a dictatorship. In a dictatorship fro example, you would have been executed for what you just said. Fortunately, you have freedom of speech. I am not dissatisfied with the limit, I just feel it is a bit unnecessary.
 
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It is distasteful to which extent you are willing to sacrifice Liberalism for personal gain and glory; for power and the Chancellorship. The UAI will be voting against your proposal.

- L.F. Andersen

And that is coming from you, Pitiful.
 
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It is distasteful to which extent you are willing to sacrifice Liberalism for personal gain and glory; for power and the Chancellorship. The UAI will be voting against your proposal.

- L.F. Andersen
If anyone was sacrificing liberalism in its purest way, It is still you mein Herr.

Heer Vincent van Gogh ,Leader of the Sozialistische Partei
 
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That would be "pitiful", my dear Chancellor; a most apt summary of my opinion of you.

As far as I know, I did say pitiful, your mind must be playing you tricks.
 
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Herr Von Schwaben,

You are one of my trusted friends and we agree on many issues and I always believed, in my 8 years of cooperating with you, many of them as a Minister of your cabinet, that you would always fight for democracy, however, this act is not one that a democract, such as we call ourselves, and I do hope we still are, can support. This act threatens democracy as much as the second Anderson scandal. I do hope you repeal this undemocratic act, eventhough it means that you will not become Kanzler next term.

Franz von Bavel-Timmermans
 
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Herr Von Schwaben,

You are one of my trusted friends and we agree on many issues and I always believed, in my 8 years of cooperating with you, many of them as a Minister of your cabinet, that you would always fight for democracy, however, this act is not one that a democract, such as we call ourselves, and I do hope we still are, can support. This act threatens democracy as much as the second Anderson scandal. I do hope you repeal this undemocratic act, eventhough it means that you will not become Kanzler next term.

Franz von Bavel-Timmermans

Please tell me Herr Bavel-Timmermans, why this act threat democracy. We have a head of state that can, if uncorrupted, take care of situation that threatens democracy, if a future Kanzler should wish to misuse his power, which I can assure, I will not. But you are right, and my act, should maybe just have been guidance to a further generation, that will not misuse their power, as some in this parliament might wish to... I repeal this act, even though I do not find it undemocratic, if people in the parliment are democratic and uncorrupted. It might not be the right time, who knows? Maybe I am further ahead of you? Maybe I am way to old. Who knows?
 
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