Help playing as Burgundy

[Vityviktor]

I would like to form Netherlands as Burgundy, but France... France just can't stop bullying me. I need some help so i can survive with the dutch provinces until i reach Administrative Tech level 10. Alliances, deffensive strategies, what to do, etc. :wacko:

 

[Achanei]

its been a while since i did burgundy>netherlands, but the way to win was to ally austria and fight in the mountains. also, spam mercs for all you have, take loans if you need, your peacetime income is ludicrous so you can easily make up for it. iirc i managed to break france in a single devastating early war by making it realease its vassals, after that it was cake.

 

[zemuzil]

Burgundy is strong enough

it almost as easy as playing France


come on

you can do it

in fact i think i will play it myself instead of Poland cause elective monarchy is probably bugged

 

[lcpp]

I would like to form Netherlands as Burgundy, but France... France just can't stop bullying me. I need some help so i can survive with the dutch provinces until i reach Administrative Tech level 10. Alliances, deffensive strategies, what to do, etc. :wacko:

Best defense is offense. If they are bothering you that much just declare war while they are on the HYW or some other war. Assuming you are not going to do any gamey tactic regarding the french provinces, forcing them to release vassals or liberating countries should be enough.

Best allies are those that could end up allied with them (austria, castille) and minors that border them. Let the french siege savoy and switzerland and they will hopefully make their own separate peace after the french lost a ton of manpower on them.

 

[ssuperflash1]

Burgundy is strong enough

it almost as easy as playing France


come on

you can do it

in fact i think i will play it myself instead of Poland cause elective monarchy is probably bugged

The quality of posts on this board just sucks now. I can't even take it anymore. Wow...

 

[zemuzil]

The quality of posts on this board just sucks now. I can't even take it anymore. Wow...

Being picky eh?

 

[Luhood]

Being picky eh?

I'd rather call it "Having standards". But then again some would like to argue those to be the same thing with different words, though I disagree.

 

[Achanei]

oh, another really really important thing: dont let your king drink a lot of wine and then lead from the front

 

[HansBaer]

Ally Castile, crush them during HYW. Game won.
If you don't want to fight them, allying Castile should be enough to keep them off or win if they attack. The Hansa or Denmark, depending on who comes out on top, also make for a nice allies. Austria will probably hate you but will never attack you unless you are down already.
Pol-Lit suck hard as allies nowadays, they just never recover from their scripted mil 1 ruler who always seems to live to his 70ies.

 

[Casus_Belli]

In my first 1.7 game, Burgundy has defeated France twice, and is now carving them up, I just thought France got nerfed, maybe Burgundy got lucky though!

 

[liveandletdie14]

Haven't made Netherlands in a little while but my general feeling is trying to stay defensive, take Dutch provinces where possible (and when Austria is busy) and don't expand until you form the Netherlands unless colonially. If France invades and you can suggest offer to give up land I'd take it.

 

[Grifen88]

What's the reason why people would want to form the Netherlands? Are their ideas that good?

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

What's the reason why people would want to form the Netherlands? Are their ideas that good?

I think it's more that people want to play Netherlands and Burgundy is the easiest way to do that?

 

[Grifen88]

I think it's more that people want to play Netherlands and Burgundy is the easiest way to do that?

Ah, fair enough. I always simply started later if I wanted to play NED.

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

Ah, fair enough. I always simply started later if I wanted to play NED.

Yeah, but I guess it's more fun to form it yourself, and the later starts are not as great...

 

[Earmuffs]

Ah, fair enough. I always simply started later if I wanted to play NED.

I assume they're starting from 1444 and doing ironman to get the steam achievements.

 

[oblio-]

Most likely. That's why we get the deluge of BUR -> NED questions. Expect a lot of these as Res Publica sales go up

 

[Scotsman_01]

Wow, meant to post here.
Start with a Dutch minor, ally France and use them to wreck burgundy

 

[digital_soda]

I think it's more that people want to play Netherlands and Burgundy is the easiest way to do that?

Yeah this is what I do, play Burgundy so I can form the Netherlands.

I just release all the Southern states and go from there. Much easier than trying to keep a vulnerable empire together between France and Austria's shenanigans.

 

[oblio-]

Yeah this is what I do, play Burgundy so I can form the Netherlands.

I just release all the Southern states and go from there. Much easier than trying to keep a vulnerable empire together between France and Austria's shenanigans.

Well, I guess you're right, but it's the wrong mindset, IMO.
Burgundy is #1 when the game starts, as far as income and number of troops are concerned.
They should be afraid of you, not the other way around.

But I guess that after fearing the Big Blue Blob (France) for a while, the thought of actually beating them early is unthinkable