The Westminster System - A British Interactive AAR

[LordTempest]

And almost every example of vaguely democratic societies in history were destroyed or altered too, until about the 19th/20th centuries. I don't really support capital C Communism, pretty much for the same reasons I don't support capital C Capitalism actually since they're ridiculously naive utopic visions of an eventually perfect anarchy where everything will somehow just work out for the best(though atleast communism looks at the state of nature and says, "That's shit, we can do better" whereas capitalism looks at it and says "Meh, let's pretty much accept it..."), but pointing to the relatively tiny handful, given all of human history, of attempts to create it all of which occured agaisnt the backdrop of an existing world order extremely hostile to the idea by the way and saying "Well they didn't work, therefore in no circumstances is it ever possible for it to work" is not really the greatest of arguments.

But why then did the surviving Marxian socialist states regress to capitalism if Marxian socialism is superior to capitalism? I'm not questioning the principle of doing away with or reforming capitalism, or coming up with other alternatives to it, I'm questioning this particular alternative to it, and why it has failed without exception: annexation or no annexation.

 

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That's very very true. I wish others saw that too.

I mean to be honest thats why the liberals need to wither away at this point, we need someway to avoid permanent tory majority, since the communists are dead weight they couldn't even support their people's army!

 

[Dadarian]

I mean to be honest thats why the liberals need to wither away at this point, we need someway to avoid permanent tory majority, since the communists are dead weight they couldn't even support their people's army!

Two party system of Labour and Tory? That's rather drab.

 

[LordTempest]

I mean to be honest thats why the liberals need to wither away at this point, we need someway to avoid permanent tory majority, since the communists are dead weight they couldn't even support their people's army!

And this is why the Liberals are idiots for stabbing Labour in the back and destroying the Lib-Lab alliance. Our reward for their idiocy might well be perpetual Tory rule.

 

[ThaHoward]

And this is why the Liberals are idiots for stabbing Labour in the back and destroying the Lib-Lab alliance. Our reward for their idiocy might well be perpetual Tory rule.

Well it is better with Tory rule than Labour rule.

And are you still concerned about fighting fascism? What do you think of the UAR, and what should we do about them?

 

[Terraferma]

Two party system of Labour and Tory? That's rather drab.

And silly.

 

[Dadarian]

Well it is better with Tory rule than Labour rule.

And are you still concerned about fighting fascism? What do you think of the UAR, and what should we do about them?

They should be replaced with friendly regimes in Syria, Jordan and Iraq.

 

[Contravarius]

What do you think of the UAR, and what should we do about them?

We should support their fight with the International Zionism wholeheartedly.

 

[LordTempest]

Well it is better with Tory rule than Labour rule.

And are you still concerned about fighting fascism? What do you think of the UAR, and what should we do about them?

We're talking about Communism now. I don't know what the situation is like in the fascist world as Tommy didn't mention those countries in the last update, so I couldn't possibly comment on that at this time.

 

[ThaHoward]

They should be replaced with friendly regimes in Syria, Jordan and Iraq.

And how? By arms?

We should support their fight with the International Zionism wholeheartedly.

Bahaha. UAR zionist? Those who would like to eradicate Israel and throw out the Jews there?

We're talking about Communism now. I don't know what the situation is like in the fascist world as Tommy didn't mention those countries in the last update, so I couldn't possibly comment on that at this time.

Syria and Iraq merging, then invading Jordan. And it is no secret that those who want this also consideres parts of Turkey, Israel, Sinai and Kuwait their natural borders. Plus they are openly fascist and nationalistic and totalitarian.

So either they will try to get these areas, or try to unify all of the arab world or maybe even Iran. So a new great war may arise in that area. And I wonder what you think ww should do about it, and the rest of you all. And would be interesting if they outright invaded Egypt. It is an area of great interest and richdom, plus the attempts of pan arabs and Baathist to take Egypt have resulted in British intervention. So their choice might be outright war, sitation could escalate if Saudi-Arabia either go into war against them or join them. So as far as. I see Israel and Egypt (and suez) are likely targets.

 

[LordTempest]

And silly.

Oh yes, very silly. Just as silly, in fact, as completely discounting the fact that parliamentary factions are a thing.

Seriously, guys.

 

[Dadarian]

We should support their fight with the International Zionism wholeheartedly.

Allies are allies, they serve our interests more than you do, and as such is more valuable than you to the Empire.

And how? By arms?

Only needs a nuke in Baghdad and maybe one in Damascus and life is easy.

 

[Andarak]

I mean to be honest thats why the liberals need to wither away at this point, we need someway to avoid permanent tory majority, since the communists are dead weight they couldn't even support their people's army!

((Permanent Tory majority? Come on.
Also, NF. That will weaken Tories.))

 

[Contravarius]

Bahaha. UAR zionist? Those who would like to eradicate Israel and throw out the Jews there?

I think you misunderstood me, my dear.
We should support UAR in their conflict with this Jewish Pariah called Israel.

((Permanent Tory majority? Come on.
Also, NF. That will weaken Tories.))

((Yes. Everything you said - Yes.))

 

[atomicsoda]

I think you misunderstood me, my dear.
We should support UAR in their conflict with this Jewish Pariah called Israel.

So you admit the existence of the Jewish state of Israel.

 

[LordTempest]

((Permanent Tory majority? Come on.
Also, NF. That will weaken Tories.))

I'd like to think that most people (who aren't Contra) will be sensible enough not to vote for a gang of skinheaded fascists.

 

[Dadarian]

Oh yes, very silly. Just as silly, in fact, as completely discounting the fact that parliamentary factions are a thing.

Seriously, guys.

I know right? I hate it when people don't care about internal voting. So dull. Almost like those votes within the factions go toward a single party, ugh.

 

[Contravarius]

I'd like to think that most people (who aren't Contra) will be sensible enough not to vote for a gang of skinheaded fascists.

((Me, KingHigh, Noco, I think the usual bunch will show up again. Not hoping for much, but y'know...))

So you admit the existence of the Jewish state of Israel.

I admit the existence of a Jewish PARIAH state of Israel that should be removed from the GODDAMN MAP, FOREVER.
GO, UAR!

 

[Antonine]

1. What if this means many companies will go unprofitable and close, or the fire many people? Still acceptable? I'm all for privatizing state industries, the question is whether the companies become actually truly unleashed from state bonds, or would you create some special laws that concern these new companies?

2. This is actually one of the best things about Germany, and the number one reason why they are still the industrial powerhouse of Europe. Then again they had memories of unions in interwar Germany...

3. As it is know, taxing work is a negative incentive to do more work. Therefore cutting, and removing income tax promotes everyone welfare on the long run as more work will be done and more goods produced.
Same applies to corporation taxes. Bleeding the cow does not work, but decreases its capacity to produce milk. And the cow produces most milk when it is bled least. Same applies to corporations.

But how is land value determined? If the land is not for sale, no market pricing can occur. You can just ASSUME it might be worth that, therefore has to pay this or that tax?
So based on someone's assumptions about the value of the land, it has to pay a tax according to that assumption?

1. Yes, that's acceptable. Once the power over the future of the businesses has been placed in the hands of the workers then it's up to them how they do it. The main thing would be to enact legislation to enable the government to block hostile takeovers by foreign companies of industries which involve national assets (specifically the utilities).

2. Agreed.

3. Not to get into too much detail but Land Value Taxation is about taxing the market income that land could provide. So if you own 50 acres of farmland then you would be taxed based on the unimproved value (which is easy enough to assess) of that land in that part of the country, disregarding the value of any buildings or other imrpovements on it. So if you own 50 acres of land and don't do anything with it then you'll be faced with a tax bill which you won't have any income to pay, forcing you to either put the land into use or to sell it. On the other hand, if you invest in land you own to increase it's value then you will receive the direct benefit from that land. Similarly, while a first home will not be taxed, if you are a slum landlord then you will benefit financially if you invest in improving your properties to increase the income you get from them as that increase will be tax free. In short, LVT taxes unimproved land, rather than income, and provides an incentive to invest in land and for absentee landowners to divest land which they are hoarding. Furthermore, by taxing unimproved value of land then tax will be paid to help cover the costs of value increases caused by others - such as public infrastructure which non-landowners pay for through taxes.

Is that understandable enough?

 

[LordTempest]

((Me, KingHigh, Noco, I think the usual bunch will show up again. Not hoping for much, but y'know...))

NF were very anti-semitic in those days, so i doubt that.