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Erik W said:
But what about Cartaginensis and Gallaecia? Shouldn´t they to be kingdoms? It just seems wrong with only 3 kingdoms in Hispania...
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Yeah, if we're going by Diocletian's division, Cartaginensis and Galleacia should be separated from Tarraconensis, if you're willing to push it far, I'd say make Tarraconensis the king tier one, and then Cartaginensis and Galleacia duke tiers, but kingdoms should be the fair thing.
 
Erik W said:
But what about Cartaginensis and Gallaecia? Shouldn´t they too be kingdoms? It just seems wrong with only 3 kingdoms in Hispania...

Edit: And also, the Balearic Islands were a province of their own...
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KaiserMuffin said:
Sarmatian, or Visigoth. :)

Also Hispania Carthegenensis should be a kingdom :D
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DarkReborn said:
Yeah, if we're going by Diocletian's division, Cartaginensis and Galleacia should be separated from Tarraconensis, if you're willing to push it far, I'd say make Tarraconensis the king tier one, and then Cartaginensis and Galleacia duke tiers, but kingdoms should be the fair thing.
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I have to agree with you guys, I'm looking at the map, and the division looks like he best choice.
 
question, can you post the localisations of the names for the Iberian Kingdoms in particular for the suebians, also will there be more empires in Europe than the WRE and ERE ?
 
Erik W said:
I think this map represents how the de jure kingdoms (and perhaps even duchies and empires) should look like rather nicely: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/The_Roman_Empire_ca_400_AD.png
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Yes, this is probably rather good except for Gaul. Certain of the kingdoms (such as Soissons) should not have de jure claims upon tribal lands. For example the burgonds and the franks wher quite well established and atleast the burgunds should control a de jure title and not a tribal one.
 
How are Ecumenical Synods represented in the mod? Is it possible for them to make a heretic branch a legitimate one or even degrade orthodoxy to a heresy and make a heresy the new main belief?
 
videonfan said:
How are Ecumenical Synods represented in the mod? Is it possible for them to make a heretic branch a legitimate one or even degrade orthodoxy to a heresy and make a heresy the new main belief?
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There are some that declare Insular Christianity heretical. And others regarding some other heresies, and one that legitimizes the Arian faith if both hold around equal lands and the heads of religion like each other.
 
Enlil said:
There are some that declare Insular Christianity heretical. And others regarding some other heresies, and one that legitimizes the Arian faith if both hold around equal lands and the heads of religion like each other.
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Would you need SoA for that to work?
 
loup99 said:
Yes, this is probably rather good except for Gaul. Certain of the kingdoms (such as Soissons) should not have de jure claims upon tribal lands. For example the burgonds and the franks wher quite well established and atleast the burgunds should control a de jure title and not a tribal one.
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Yeah, Soissons is not Dejure. Neither will the Franks, because they can move to so many different places. And the Thuringii and Rugiland are recentally settled, so Germanic kingdoms will mostly not be Dejure
 
Joemit said:
Would you need SoA for that to work?
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No, its not the making a heresy the new Orthodox, its making Arianism a separate branch of Christianity. Like Catholic and Orthodox. Also, on the dates of the major Councils and Synods, the religious head will get an event. Depending on what he chooses, there can be changes in theology, like condemning a heresy, or making it legitimate. Some ahistorical ones can cause major theological changes, like the role of women and and another that can disable holy wars. Those who defy the Councils risk becoming heretics.
 
Enlil said:
Yeah, Soissons is not Dejure. Neither will the Franks, because they can move to so many different places. And the Thuringii and Rugiland are recentally settled, so Germanic kingdoms will mostly not be Dejure
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Will all of the germanic tribes for migration and dejure work similar to the Magyars in 867? Will they all be tribal kingdoms that become imidietly dejure when they settle and choose there area of final rest? Also this would be quiet hard to model but do you have a system to make it so that the tribes are pushing eachother "forward"?
Enlil said:
No, its not the making a heresy the new Orthodox, its making Arianism a separate branch of Christianity. Like Catholic and Orthodox. Also, on the dates of the major Councils and Synods, the religious head will get an event. Depending on what he chooses, there can be changes in theology, like condemning a heresy, or making it legitimate. Some ahistorical ones can cause major theological changes, like the role of women and and another that can disable holy wars. Those who defy the Councils risk becoming heretics.
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There is certainly a lot to make indept with those councils. There could be very long eventchains concerning these and religion with many different alternatives. Will be interesting to see that in your next AAR.
 
Enlil said:
We really need a better event trigger to abandon all provinces, currently my system works fine except for that part, too laggy and glitchy.
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I might have an idea for this, which I'm going to try when I'm back home later today.
 
I have a few suggestions for historical bookmarks that could be added to the mod:

Leontius Rebellion - July 19th, 484: Byzantine General Leontius is persuaded to rebel against Zeno, taking control of the entire Orient (except Egypt): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leontius_(usurper)

First Roman Rebellion in Hispania - 496: Roman Governor Burdunellus rebels against his Visigoth masters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdunellus

Second Roman Rebellion in Hispania - Around 506: Roman Governor Peter launches a second rebellion against the Visigoths: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_(usurper)

And later one for each major Byzantine rebellion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Byzantine_usurpers
 
Erik W said:
I have a few suggestions for historical bookmarks that could be added to the mod:

Leontius Rebellion - July 19th, 484: Byzantine General Leontius is persuaded to rebel against Zeno, taking control of the entire Orient (except Egypt): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leontius_(usurper)

First Roman Rebellion in Hispania - 496: Roman Governor Burdunellus rebels against his Visigoth masters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdunellus

Second Roman Rebellion in Hispania - Around 506: Roman Governor Peter launches a second rebellion against the Visigoths: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_(usurper)

And later one for each major Byzantine rebellion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Byzantine_usurpers
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More bookmarks could be:

The Rise Of Islam- A new major religion is born.

The battle of Poitiers-732- Finally the muslim invaders progress have been halted by the famous Charles Martel.

The crowning of Charlemagne-800- A catholic western emperor has been crowned in rome for the first time since the fall of the western empire. Will he be able to restore it's legacy with help of the pope?

The dislocation of the Guptas- The big indian empire has fallen, will you able to seize the opportunity and reunify india under your rule?

The treaty of Verdun- 843- The grandsons of Charlemagne have divided his empire between themselves. Will one of them be able to restore the imperial legacy. (start date of the carolingian mod, you may use that for more documentation).

You may also have bookmarks relating the different Caliphates, the British Isles with the first kings of England and the situation with the different tribes. However the bookmarks may be a lot of work to do. Enlil should proritize the first start date and then maybe expand the mod into more start dates once the first is properly balanced.
 
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Erik W said:
I have a few suggestions for historical bookmarks that could be added to the mod
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Even if not bookmarks, it seems as if these articles can help the 440 bookmark significantly. From reading the article upon Leontius, perhaps Zeno should be made a non-Roman culture, so as to create agitation against him. Furthermore, it appears as if there should be a bit more paganism in the Empire, as his rebellion appears to have had the support of some pagan figures of note.
 
Going back in the discussion a little bit, back to Odoacer and the Senate stuff:

Odoacer also reinstated the Praetorian Prefecture of Italy, so in 480, the second-most powerful man in Odoacer´s realm should be Prefect Manlius Boethius. He is replaced by Caecina Decius Maximus Basilius in 483 and he is in turn replaced in 486 by Caecina Mavortius Basilius Decius.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praetorian_prefecture_of_Italy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manlius_Boethius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caecina_Decius_Maximus_Basilius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caecina_Mavortius_Basilius_Decius

The prefects were still around under the Ostrogoths, Theoderic the Great even brought the Praefecture of Gaul back to life. From 510 - 536, Ostrogothic Gaul is ruled by Liberius.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praetorian_prefecture_of_Gaul
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberius_(praetorian_prefect)
 
Andrzej I said:
Even if not bookmarks, it seems as if these articles can help the 440 bookmark significantly. From reading the article upon Leontius, perhaps Zeno should be made a non-Roman culture, so as to create agitation against him. Furthermore, it appears as if there should be a bit more paganism in the Empire, as his rebellion appears to have had the support of some pagan figures of note.
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In that case, an Isaurian culture would be necesary to create and from what I can tell, its a dying branch of the native-Anatolian languages. That means that a new culture group would have to be created as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaurian_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luwian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_languages
 
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