When the World Stopped Making Sense [ A 480 Migrational Period Mod]

[flyguy117]

Look, Love, Criticize.

Thank you for the maps. First off, Way to much Visigothic culture in Aquitaine. Limit it to a strip from Bordeaux to Toulouse and also Septimania (Mediterranean cost). There is evidence that there were Visigothic settlements in Catatonia so put a little Gothic culture there. Secondly, The centre of African-Romance culture was based in Carthage andthe surrounding regions. They remained a significant force there even until the 13th century, on your map it's all Berber. Finally Germanic Paganism all the way down the Rhone? It was one of the first areas of the Western Roman Empire to Christianize. The Archbishop of Lyon was called the Primate of the Gauls for crying out loud.

 

[Jokolytic]

Way too many pagans in Germany in my opinion...doesn't seem accurate at all.

 

[Zusk]

Way too many pagans in Germany in my opinion...doesn't seem accurate at all.

To my memory barely any Germans have converted to Christianity besides the Goths in 480

 

[Chef Boyardee]

Hey, so some thoughts on the cultural and religious distributions of Central Asia. You've greatly overrepresented the Tocharians, who should be limited to the Tarim Basin. They were also Buddhist and Zoroastrian, not Steppe Pagan. The areas they occupy currently outside of the Tarim Basin should probably be Turkic culture groups - maybe Turkish or Hunnic - or possibly even Uralic people like the Khanty. They were vassals to the Hepthalites, who were also not Steppe Pagan but a strange syncretic Hindu/Zoroastrian/Mithraism that would be difficult to represent with any of the current religions. They ruled over a Zoroastrian and Buddhist population. The Khwarezmians are overrepresented in the west - the western portion bordering the Caspian Sea would have been occupied by Turkic peoples at this point - and underrepresented in the east - they occupied much more of the Tocharian area. They might be better represented with the name Sogdian instead, a related people who played a more significant historical role, persisted much longer and occupied the majority of that territory. The Sogdians were largely Zoroastrian.

If you're interested in online reading about these groups, here are a couple sources -
The Historical Interactions between the Buddhist and Islamic Cultures before the Mongol Empire by Alexander Berzin
On the Nationality of Hepthalites by Kazuo Enoki - page 46 for interesting information about their religion btw
The Impact of the Silk Road Trade on a Local Community: The Turfan Oasis by Valerie Hansen

 

[KaiserRichter]

Any word on a release date? This is literally my favorite CKII mod right now just for the concept.

 

[unmerged(271387)]

What do you people think? Should there exist some Manichaean provinces as well?
Also, it should be a completly different religion, unilke in vanilla, in which it is branded as a heresy of zoroastrianism.

 

[Jokolytic]

I noticed you are using a custom icon for Judaism instead of the one Paradox made. Yours is ok but I think you should stick with the default icons for religions that already have them (besides heresies).

 

[loup99]

Too many german pagans! There should be more arians and nicenes. In the old roman empire's land people did mostly stay Nicene and did not convert to German paganism or Arianism ,which where mostly the religions of the germanic rulers.

For the whole events, religions and beta testing I might be able to help you (if I make the effort to learn a bit more modding). I have a lot of ideas (as some people may already have noticed ) around religions and heresies and the modern day France-region.

 

[Darkgamma]

This is the general spread of Germanic-speaking peoples in the fifth century in Scandinavia:

 

[Bodhisattvas]

Any word on a release date? This is literally my favorite CKII mod right now just for the concept.

This. What happened to the Carolingan mod?

 

[loup99]

This. What happened to the Carolingan mod?

It got discountinued due to the old gods, I think. A shame that nearly all of the pre-867 mods have been discontinued or stopped half-way in progress and I hope that this will be an exception.

 

[Joemit]

Currently, the legions are created through the Soissons province reclaimation events. The Byzantine Empire currently has legions in place for the provinces. I'd also like to ask how I can make the province levies unavailable, and then available when the Themata is created. And what would be the causes of the Themata creation, and what would the benefits be? Could it be tied to a special law, that only the Byzantine have, that triggers a Themata's creation, but once it is chosen, there is no coming back. Or are laws hardcoded.

My idea would be that provinces would have a modifier for -100% levies (similar to Recently Conquered and New Administration) until you create the theme system. Laws aren't hardcoded, the GoT mod has some laws that differ from the vanilla game, so you could have it done by laws. Perhaps you could have "Create the Theme System" as a decision only available when the Realm Size is below a certain value so that it gives you benefits, but only when you lose enough territory so that people don't go creating them early on. I would probably have the Legions cost quite a bit of money, so that if you lose enough territory you could enact the theme system so that you don't go 10,000 gold in debt. This would make the Themes a primarily economic choice but it gives the motivation to create them.

About the Legions, I would have them pretty much the same as the Varangian Guard, but you could give them the Usurp CB by editing 00_cb_types. It all looks pretty simple to add a CB just for them. Here's the code for imperial reconquest that allows only the Romans to use it.

	can_use = {
		ROOT = {
			has_landed_title = e_roman_empire
			independent = yes
			religion_group = christian
			NOT = { same_realm = FROM }
		}
		FROM = {
			NOT = { religion_group = muslim }
		}
	}

Of course, you could always just let them join factions.
To give the ability to create new legions based on what land you control you would use either an event or decision. If you were going to use decisions you would use

			completely_controls =

so that if you owned, say, Egypt then you could use an event to create whatever Egyptian legion. Personally I would use events so as to keep from cluttering up the Decisions bar. This would work in a similar manner as the Lost Roman Provinces events, but instead of giving you a bit of prestige it would create a new mercenary company.

You would just need to make sure that there weren't any other mercenary companies until a certain year, because it would be a bit stupid for there to be a Catalan Company and no Catalans. You would also need for there to be quite a large price to hire the Legions and for the game to start with them already being deployed, because it wouldn't really make sense for an emperor to be running around disbanding the legions when there wasn't a war on.

 

[Erik W]

This mod is going to be awesome, that much is certain. But I feel that the Mediterranean should have some more trace amounts of pre-roman cultures, that by this time are still around. And even if they´re not a majority of a province, there might still exist minorities and should be made available in Ruler Designer.

Suggestions:

Pontic - a strong (even in modern Greece today) branch of the Greeks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greek
Laconian/Spartan - Powerful culture until the 10th century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta#Medieval_and_modern_Sparta
Thracian - Either in the Greek group or a group of their own and should still exist in minorities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians#Roman_rule
Massalian - The region around Massalia should definetly not be Visigothic, as the Greco-Romans are very much alive there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marseille#Middle_Ages_and_Renaissance
Galatian - While the majority have become Hellenized, the Celtic language is still spoken and can be brought back to greatness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatian_language
Dacian - Same thing here exept these having been Germanized and there should still be hope for them. I would suggest an own cultural group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacian_language

By the way, I don´t know if this has been brought up already, if so then sorry if Im annoying.

 

[Enlil]

1) Venedi's demesne is split up ?

What?

2) Which is the culture of Aquitaine and north of Gothics and East of Ostrogoths ?

All the cultures are labeled, except for Cantabrian and Basque in northern Spain.

3) Which is the heresy in Asia minor heartland?

Melchisedechianism

4) You could make county of Athens and county of Hellas Hellenic faith too.

Done

5) Which are the heresies at coast of Middle East?

k_syria_palestine religions are:

Docetic
Binitarian
Jewish
Apollinarian
Valentinianism
Patripassianism
Marcionism

Whats the religion in Aquitaine?

Nicene and Arian

Have you reworked the Magreb like I previously suggested yet or is the map outdated in that regard?

Yeah, it has been updated, but they have the same culture though.

I like what you did so far! Especially in the Horn of Africa and in Scandinavia though!

Thank You.

 

[loup99]

What culture is Socotra on the map?

 

[Enlil]

Thank you for the maps. First off, Way to much Visigothic culture in Aquitaine. Limit it to a strip from Bordeaux to Toulouse and also Septimania (Mediterranean cost). There is evidence that there were Visigothic settlements in Catatonia so put a little Gothic culture there. Secondly, The centre of African-Romance culture was based in Carthage andthe surrounding regions. They remained a significant force there even until the 13th century, on your map it's all Berber. Finally Germanic Paganism all the way down the Rhone? It was one of the first areas of the Western Roman Empire to Christianize. The Archbishop of Lyon was called the Primate of the Gauls for crying out loud.

Done, Done, and Done!

To my memory barely any Germans have converted to Christianity besides the Goths in 480

That's what I thought.

Hey, so some thoughts on the cultural and religious distributions of Central Asia. You've greatly overrepresented the Tocharians, who should be limited to the Tarim Basin. They were also Buddhist and Zoroastrian, not Steppe Pagan. The areas they occupy currently outside of the Tarim Basin should probably be Turkic culture groups - maybe Turkish or Hunnic - or possibly even Uralic people like the Khanty. They were vassals to the Hepthalites, who were also not Steppe Pagan but a strange syncretic Hindu/Zoroastrian/Mithraism that would be difficult to represent with any of the current religions. They ruled over a Zoroastrian and Buddhist population. The Khwarezmians are overrepresented in the west - the western portion bordering the Caspian Sea would have been occupied by Turkic peoples at this point - and underrepresented in the east - they occupied much more of the Tocharian area. They might be better represented with the name Sogdian instead, a related people who played a more significant historical role, persisted much longer and occupied the majority of that territory. The Sogdians were largely Zoroastrian.

Okay. The formerly Tocharian and Khwarezmain region is now populated by Sogdians Zoroastrians and Turkish Tengriists. The Hepthalites how have their own religion. But I need a name for it. Tocharians still exist in the Tarim Basin.

I noticed you are using a custom icon for Judaism instead of the one Paradox made. Yours is ok but I think you should stick with the default icons for religions that already have them (besides heresies).

That has been fixed.

Too many german pagans! There should be more arians and nicenes. In the old roman empire's land people did mostly stay Nicene and did not convert to German paganism or Arianism ,which where mostly the religions of the germanic rulers.

That has been fixed.

For the whole events, religions and beta testing I might be able to help you (if I make the effort to learn a bit more modding). I have a lot of ideas (as some people may already have noticed ) around religions and heresies and the modern day France-region.

Learn I say learn! There is still Beta-Tester #3 open!

This mod is going to be awesome, that much is certain. But I feel that the Mediterranean should have some more trace amounts of pre-roman cultures, that by this time are still around. And even if they´re not a majority of a province, there might still exist minorities and should be made available in Ruler Designer.

Suggestions:

Pontic - a strong (even in modern Greece today) branch of the Greeks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greek
Laconian/Spartan - Powerful culture until the 10th century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta#Medieval_and_modern_Sparta
Thracian - Either in the Greek group or a group of their own and should still exist in minorities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians#Roman_rule
Massalian - The region around Massalia should definetly not be Visigothic, as the Greco-Romans are very much alive there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marseille#Middle_Ages_and_Renaissance
Galatian - While the majority have become Hellenized, the Celtic language is still spoken and can be brought back to greatness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatian_language
Dacian - Same thing here exept these having been Germanized and there should still be hope for them. I would suggest an own cultural group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacian_language

By the way, I don´t know if this has been brought up already, if so then sorry if Im annoying.

No, this is exactly what I need! I'd love if people supplied more minorities! All these cultures now exist somewhere in game, and like how a player could create a Hellenic character in the ruler creator I have added many other cultures to the Dacian group, Veneti, Illyrian, Macedonian, and Old Thracian. Finally I've added a reformable Illyrian Pagan religion for restoring a very old faith.

 

[Enlil]

What culture is Socotra on the map?

Tribal Arabic

 

[Joemit]

Also, you could probably make legions weaker over the years by giving strength_growth_per_century a negative value.

 

[loup99]

Learn I say learn! There is still Beta-Tester #3 open!

I will try. Do you have some recomendations on guides for events ?

Tribal Arabic

Is Socotra the only province of that culture?

Edit: Also please update the first page to show your recent cultural, religious and political changes.

 

[Erik W]

No, this is exactly what I need! I'd love if people supplied more minorities! All these cultures now exist somewhere in game, and like how a player could create a Hellenic character in the ruler creator I have added many other cultures to the Dacian group, Veneti, Illyrian, Macedonian, and Old Thracian. Finally I've added a reformable Illyrian Pagan religion for restoring a very old faith.

Well, in that case, here are some more suggestions:

Carthaginian/Punic - A dying culture I know but there are still fragments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punics#146_BC_to_700_AD
Cappadocian - A Greek branch that should be forming either now or in the next century or so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappadocian_Greek
Cimmerian - There should actually be quite a large legacy of the greek-speaking Bosporan Kingdom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosporan_Kingdom
Aramean - The Ancient Syrians were a majority in their own territory even by this time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arameans
Swedish/Svear/Sviar - If Geatish is a seperate culture from the Norse, then why not split it up more?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedes_(Germanic_tribe)
Gutes/Gotlander - Same thing here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedes_(Germanic_tribe)
Danes/Dani - Again, same thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danes_(Germanic_tribe)