Blood and Iron - An Interactive Prussian AAR

[Khalep]

You know what the grand irony of it all is, Khalep? If the DZP hadn't repealed the ASL then they would probably have won enough votes to form another government.

If we had not repealed those repressive laws, the Centre would not have been the tolerant and true Centre for which I have so often fervently cast my vote.
Your words may be true, though I believe that only little of the good flock has been lost to the socialist cause.

I am not so sure that the Centre would have managed to keep the renewed Liberal cause at bay this year, under any circumstance.
However, all is not lost. The DFP has certainly improved upon both its old self and the NLP. I just wish it were less radical, especially when it comes to the economy. Perhaps the continual need for negotiations with the Centrist and Conservative wings of parliament will yet moderate the government.

 

[unmerged(211960)]

Another liberal government, and this time I am happy it is so. So I am quite pleasently surprised the SDP doesn't have more voters. But the cynic inside me says that the DZP willlose more and more voters as time go. It saddens me that the former party I voted for (DKRP) get more votes than the one I vote for now (NLP), quite ironic, I must say. Hopefully my change of heart will not go wrong, otherwise I shall be most sad.

 

[Makkovar]

That seems to me as good an outcome as could have been expected seeing the polls. The relatively low support for the SPD is a nice surprise.
My only fear is that the radical DFP will be stopped dead in their tracks by the Centre and conservatives when trying to implement their desired policies, effectively leading to an idle, ineffective government by the opposition's design. On the other hand, the Kaiser's support could mean all the difference in the relations with the conservatives, and if Herr Richter plays his cards well, this term might also prove just as grand as the previous considering the newly joined territories now require attention in establishing proper administration and their role within the unified Empire.

 

[Zzzzz...]

Funny how the division of the LVD was a boon for the Liberals.

 

[Duke of Awesome]

Funny how the division of the LVD was a boon for the Liberals.

It makes sense, the LVD was a mishmosh of differing ideologies with some similarities. If I was really a voter in that time period, I probably wouldn't have voted at all in that election.

 

[Terraferma]

Another liberal government, and this time I am happy it is so. So I am quite pleasently surprised the SDP doesn't have more voters. But the cynic inside me says that the DZP willlose more and more voters as time go. It saddens me that the former party I voted for (DKRP) get more votes than the one I vote for now (NLP), quite ironic, I must say. Hopefully my change of heart will not go wrong, otherwise I shall be most sad.

DZP losing votes, or any party for that matter, is part of the ebb and flow of the political landscape. It happens to all the other parties so it isn't exactly a surprise nor should it be seen with cynicism.

 

[LordTempest]

Funny how the division of the LVD was a boon for the Liberals.

Mergers are always bad news for any Liberal Party.

 

[Zzzzz...]

Mergers are always bad news for any Liberal Party.

Hmmm... are you taking about our Liberal Party

 

[LordTempest]

Hmmm... are you taking about our Liberal Party

Clearly the experience of the LVD proves it's true for all Liberal parties.

 

[Duke of Awesome]

I wonder what kind of concessions the DFP made to get the conservatives. Is Bismarck in charge of foreign affairs now? Are the anti-socialist laws being reinstated?

 

[Sebastian Jarl]

I wonder what kind of concessions the DFP made to get the conservatives. Is Bismarck in charge of foreign affairs now? Are the anti-socialist laws being reinstated?

I certainly hope not. The clear electoral mandate is one for democracy; the two parties supporting a decrease in minority representation and the reintroduction of anti-socialist laws have been unable to extend beyond their (unimpressive) core constituency. It deeply troubles me that the DFP, whose anti-Habsburg rhetoric was founded in popular rejection of them, chose to seek out the support of the parties who have so clearly been democratically rejected by the German people at the voting booths.

I remain hopeful the DFP will be able to bargain between the DRKP and the DZP to deliver the democratic platform that led to their electoral success, though I fear that the status quo will be maintained, or that me might even find Germany slipping back into the days of oppression. The latter would no doubt once again leave broad swathes of our population susceptible to the poison of godless and illiberal rhetoric.

 

[Duke of Awesome]

The DZP is the opponent of liberalism in Germany, even moreso than the conservatives are. There can be no possibility of negotiation between the two parties.

 

[Terraferma]

The DZP is the opponent of liberalism in Germany, even moreso than the conservatives are. There can be no possibility of negotiation between the two parties.

Actually that is utterly incorrect. They have a better chance at the negotiation table with the centre than they do with the conservatives, only because of the Kaiser who has liberal leanings are they able to do any negotiations if at all with the DKRP as he is their leverage. They went against going into a coalition with them in the end because they knew they would have to compromise quite a bit.

 

[LordTempest]

Look, irrespective of how well or poorly they did at the polls, the DFP and the NLP are still close, and pledged prior to the election to work together in some kind of an alliance. Complain about the DKRP if you wish, but closeness between Germany's two liberal parties is to be expected.

 

[Sebastian Jarl]

Look, irrespective of how well or poorly they did at the polls, the DFP and the NLP are still close, and pledged prior to the election to work together in some kind of an alliance. Complain about the DKRP if you wish, but closeness between Germany's two liberal parties is to be expected.

I'm not questioning that they are close in wanting economic liberty. I am merely expressing dismay against the idea that by bringing NLP into the government, there are now elements in government who yearns for a return of repression. I very much doubt that I'll be the only disillusioned voter, if DFP is willing to give in to Conservative demands for oppression, in order to support their Laissez faire politics and grand ambitions in China.

It is therefore not closeness between the DFP and NLP I complain about as such, but I fear that the sum of cooperation with NLP and bargaining with the DRKP for support might lead to some unpalatable compromises. I very much hope to be proven wrong, and that Herr Richter will continue to let his proud legacy of democratism guide his political manoeuvrings.

 

[LordTempest]

I'm not questioning that they are close in wanting economic liberty. I am merely expressing dismay against the idea that by bringing NLP into the government, there are now elements in government who yearns for a return of repression. I very much doubt that I'll be the only disillusioned voter, if DFP is willing to give in to Conservative demands for oppression, in order to support their Laissez faire politics and grand ambitions in China.

It is therefore not closeness between the DFP and NLP I complain about as such, but I fear that the sum of cooperation with NLP and bargaining with the DRKP for support might lead to some unpalatable compromises. I very much hope to be proven wrong, and that Herr Richter will continue to let his proud legacy of democratism guide his political manoeuvrings.

And yet less than half a decade ago, those "elements" were part of the same political party as Herr Richter, stood on the same policy platform as Herr Richter and campaigned alongside Herr Richter. The idea that the two German liberal parties should not be able to compromise with one another is absurd, and the opinion that they should not is equally so.

 

[Harpsichord]

And yet less than half a decade ago, those "elements" were part of the same political party as Herr Richter, stood on the same policy platform as Herr Richter and campaigned alongside Herr Richter. The idea that the two German liberal parties should not be able to compromise with one another is absurd, and the opinion that they should not is equally so.

And such co-operation led to the utter demise of the Liberals as a force in Germany politics

 

[LordTempest]

And such co-operation led to the utter demise of the Liberals as a force in Germany politics

No it didn't, for one could well argue that the LVD was in effect a NLP takeover of the DFP and in any case it certainly did not lead to the liberals utter demise as a force in politics because no such demise ever took place! (the DKRP has been through worse than the LVD, and nobody yet speaks of the Strange Death of Bismarckian Deutschland) It should be blatantly obvious to anyone who has seen the election results that the DFP will be the dominant partner in the next government.

 

[Tommy4ever]

Okay,there seems to be an issue with the forum as I have the update written but it wont allow me to post it.

 

[Tommy4ever]

But its letting me write short comments like this? Very strange.