This thread is to discuss the Golden Horde (and its successors), the Uzbeks, Khazaks, Chagatai and Mongols.
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historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0128510 }
startdate = {
year = 1502
}
deathdate = {
year = 1820
}
name = "Khans of Sarai *"
DIP = 4
ADM = 4
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 037559 }
startdate = {
year = 1793
}
deathdate = {
year = 1820
}
name = "Khans of Crimea *"
DIP = 4
MIL = 4
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013510 }
startdate = {
year = 1557
}
deathdate = {
year = 1820
}
name = "Khans of Astrakhan *"
DIP = 4
MIL = 4
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 067515 }
startdate = {
year = 1565
}
deathdate = {
year = 1820
}
name = "Khans of Kazan *"
DIP = 4
MIL = 4
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0123022 }
startdate = {
year = 1793
}
deathdate = {
year = 1820
}
name = "Khans of Sibir *"
DIP = 4
MIL = 4
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 031524 }
startdate = {
day = 1
month = october
year = 1757
}
deathdate = {
year = 1820
}
name = "Khans of Dzungaria *"
DIP = 4
MIL = 4
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
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This event is wrong on so many levels. Why do I, a stable and centralizing Golden Horde suddenly have to cede the Siberian provinces to the Uzbeks? It makes no sense at all.
#(1428) Independence of the Uzbeks
event = {
id = 287000
[color=yellow]trigger = {
neighbour = UZB # if they are not your neighbour they either don´t exist or you don´t own those provinces
OR ={
NOT = { stability = 3 } # have to control all 5 to and have stability 3 to prevent event
NOT = { control = { province = 1573 data = STE } }
NOT = { control = { province = 1571 data = STE } }
NOT = { control = { province = 578 data = STE } }
NOT = { control = { province = 512 data = STE } }
NOT = { control = { province =458 data = STE } } #Sarai capital of the Golden Horde
}
}[/color]
random = no
country = STE
name = "EVENTNAME287000" #Independence of the Uzbeks
desc = "EVENTHIST287000"
#-#By the 15th century,the power of the Golden Horde was in full decline. Its power in the former lands of the White Horde was feeble at best, non-existant at worst. In fact, many small Kingdoms had appeared in the east, the most powerful of all, being On's Kingdom, the precusor to the Khanate of Sibir. In 1428, in the city of Sibir, Abul Khayr was named the khan of the Uzbek Horde. The region finally had its own local ruler, but at the cost of the Golden Horde. However, with its principal lands in shambles, those centered around the Volga River, the khan of the Golden Horde could do little better than to accept the existence of Khayr's dominion, lest he wanted to provoke another conflict. And so in 1428, the Uzbek Khanate was free.
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1428 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME287000A" #Our hands are bound
command = { type = breakvassal which = UZB }
command = { type = dynastic which = UZB }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = UZB value = 1573 } #Tobolsk
command = { type = secedeprovince which = UZB value = 1571 } #Jalutorovsk
command = { type = secedeprovince which = UZB value = 578 } #Ichim
command = { type = secedeprovince which = UZB value = 512 } #Tenghiz
command = { type = relation which = UZB value = -100 }
command = { type = trigger which = 325004 } #UZB: Independence of the Uzbeks
}
}
Last two weeks I tried many diffrent strategies (succesfully winning game with Tibet, Kongo, Iraq, Inca) to save pagan Mongolia from Russia (ergo: completely disaster). And this is impossible (no chance for millitary alliance for example).
My first idea is to change Mongolia state religion to sunni which will make this country playable (it will still remain not so easy to play). Most of mongolia prov should be changed to sunni, some may be changed to buddism and some can stay pagan. It is historicaly correct as Mongolia was under sunni involve since X century. At least an option to convert to sunni should be available from a start.
Second thought is to add NERCHIINSK to Mongolia known provinces as Mongolia has some cores on Manchuria lands but does not have any connection to them. As Mongolia doesn't get any conqistadores those cores are pretty much unreachable. Also it makes easier to understande event about capturing Chinese Emperor.
And last (but not not least) thing - leaders. On the margin - can you be a monarch of such a state as Mongolia and not being exeptional leader?!
Esen Taishi - 1418 till 1455. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esen_Tayisi / in 1449 with 20,000 cavlary beaten Chinese Emperor armies (500,000) and capured him/ Many beautiful victories since 1418/ + Is in db as a monarch
Dayan Khan - 1479 till 1543. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayan_Khan / Raids on Chinese teritory, captured cities/ + Is in db as a monarch
*post will be continued
Edit: If there is such possibility I would like to post here some event ideas for Mongolia.
ASS = {
"Al Altan"
[color=yellow]"Esen Tayisi"[/color]
"Qori Buqa"
"Mongke Temur"
"Qutugh"
"Oyugun"
"Vachir"
"Arslan"
"Burilgi"
"Tolui"
"Unegen"
}
#(1500-1820) Russian settlement in Volgograd
event = {
id = 271042
trigger = {
owned = { province = 458 data = -1 }
control = { province = 458 data = -1 }
provincereligion = { province = 458 data = orthodox }
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271042" #Russian settlement in Volgograd
desc = "EVENTHIST271042"
#-#The efforts to move orthodox settlers into the steppe and Russify the region have paid dividends in Volgograd.
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1500 }
offset = 8500
deathdate = { year = 1820 }
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provincetax which = 458 value = 2 } #Volgograd
command = { type = provinceculture which = 458 value = russian } #Volgograd
command = { type = population which = 458 value = 10000 } #Volgograd
[color=yellow]command = { type = cityname which = 458 value = "Tsarityn" }[/color]
}
}
I don't mean to start an argument, but I do have a question.
What was the reason for including Fergana (NOG) as a revolter? They only seem to have Tajikistan as a core. When are they supposed to exist?
Should "Sarai" not be in the SAMARA province?
You´re right. The event happens on a fixed date regardless of the actual situation. You need a way out.
However it should be no easy way. Historically the Golden Horde had little choice about splintering and vanishing and AGCCEP tries to encourage historical outcomes.
On a bit unrelated note, why were the Nogai Horde (aka Nogay Horde) removed from AGCEEP?
Unless we are horribly low on country tags neded for some important projects, I would consider adding them back. They survived until 1634 - much longer than Astrakhan that is in the game.
Actually, the Nogai were removed not really for tag reasons (although certainly that was an argument in favor) but rather there was confusion about the two different Nogai hordes and on that basis it was argued that the Nogai were not centralized enough to be a EU2 style state. I had meant to get them re-implemented in the EU2 version of AGCEEP but never got around to it. So yes, I'd support their re-inclusion.
Ran a few tests with re-introduced Nogais (hands off). Nogais started with alga, Emba and Bouzatchi, recived Irgiz, Orsk, Orenburg via events related to the brakeup of the Golden Horde.
In all of the 4 tests, the Nogais didin't even survive until 1500. They were always annexed by the Uzbeks, Kazakhs or Astrakhan.