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Konnigratz said:
I fail to see how censoring a piece of revolt-stirring Anarchist propaganda is putting the foundations of the Republic in danger; on the contrary, the Zeal does nothing but serve as a means of dividing the people against each other more and more. Lenin has granted unprecedented rights to the disenfranchised of the Republic and continues to advance the cause of the revolution. If he must upset a few Anarchists who would rather see our Republic be divided and then partitioned between the Reactionary powers of Europe in the process, then so be it!
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He is censoring all publication. Think about what that means for a second. Any opinion which is not sanctioned by our Holy Father On High, the Glorious Comrade Lenin will never see print. From a flowering of independent debate on issues and strong democratic choice we are rammed into a narrow path and a choice between only the sanctioned opinions. If this is allowed to continue, political and bureaucratic stagnation is the only possible result.
 
Communard said:
Lenin promised us socialism and freedom and he has provided us with Prussian tyranny. He promised us good government and has subverted the politburo. He promised us hope and he has provided us with fear. Many thousands of people who voted Marxist-Leninist in good faith feel betrayed, and have said as much.
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Agreed, I certainly feel betrayed, and I can also sympathize with your predicament in terms of who to vote for. I cannot bring myself to vote for the Anarchists, because I fundamentally disagree with their social policies, but I am certainly not going to vote for Lenin again, and I fear the Moderates are too weak to get elected. I'm basically left hoping that the Independents can fill the void of the UF, but without a major figure like Engels at the helm, I doubt they will garner the popular support necessary to win...
 
Konnigratz said:
I fail to see how censoring a piece of revolt-stirring Anarchist propaganda is putting the foundations of the Republic in danger; on the contrary, the Zeal does nothing but serve as a means of dividing the people against each other more and more. Lenin has granted unprecedented rights to the disenfranchised of the Republic and continues to advance the cause of the revolution. If he must upset a few Anarchists who would rather see our Republic be divided and then partitioned between the Reactionary powers of Europe in the process, then so be it!
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As others have said, it's more than "a few Anarchists", it's about half of the voting populace. Not only that, but several Moderates and former UF members, who are not "Anarchists who would rather see our Republic be divided and then partitioned between the Reactionary powers of Europe", as you so elequantely put it, also support such.

If you think half of the population of the Republic are morons who can't take care of themselves and need the granny state to do it for them, then fine, think that, but you'll have no one to blame but yourself and your beloved Lenin when you lose the next election because you think oh so much like the so called "enlightened despots" of Europe.
 
This is insanity! Anarchists having "peaceful" demonstrations. How much do you want to bet there are guns behind their picket signs? I do not necessarily agree with Lenin's actions (There should be a Press, but the hateful demogoguery should not be allowed) but I am not going to whine and complain. The other parties are only "comrades" when it suits their idealogies best. There should be no counter revolution. If you do not like the current policies, vote for a different candidate and quit trying to destroy the country! Tyranny, they cry. Dissolution of the State, they cry. Do you not realize that splitting up the state will ruin all hope of a People's State? Let the strong leader lead, and let him lead us on to greatness.
 
Cpt_everos said:
This is insanity! Anarchists having "peaceful" demonstrations. How much do you want to bet there are guns behind their picket signs? I do not necessarily agree with Lenin's actions (There should be a Press, but the hateful demogoguery should not be allowed) but I am not going to whine and complain. The other parties are only "comrades" when it suits their idealogies best. There should be no counter revolution. If you do not like the current policies, vote for a different candidate and quit trying to destroy the country! Tyranny, they cry. Dissolution of the State, they cry. Do you not realize that splitting up the state will ruin all hope of a People's State? Let the strong leader lead, and let him lead us on to greatness.
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I am not for the premature disillution of the state. I am not for a violent overthrow of the state. I am for a strong, democratic and free state. Lenin cannot provide this. He has subverted the government of this country and he has set about instituting a monopoly of political opinion. This is why I am campaigning against him. Can you quote a single person (besides Enewald, he doesn't count, he would call for a violent overthrow of himself) who has called for the violent overthrow of Lenin? Who has used the most violence here, the Militarist-Leninists with their brutal raid on the Zeal, or the Anarchists and Moderates, who have simply criticized the current government? Is criticism of Lenin now to be a crime? If so you had better be prepared to arrest half the population of the VSVR, including half the Party!
 
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The actions of Comrade Lenin are not wrong for their substance. I fully support the state's ability to censor material deemed counterrevolutionary or a threat to the security of the People. However, this is not the case. While I don't support the previous actions of the Zeal in antagonizing people within this country (rather than rationally debating their ideas they resorted to crude attacks), their actions should not be seen as counterrevolutionary. That is why I cannot support Comrade Lenin in this juncture. I pray he sees the sense of this and works to diplomatically straighten out differences between our two most contentious factions.
 
Thezfel101 said:
The actions of Comrade Lenin are not wrong for their substance. I fully support the state's ability to censor material deemed counterrevolutionary or a threat to the security of the People. However, this is not the case. While I don't support the previous actions of the Zeal in antagonizing people within this country (rather than rationally debating their ideas they resorted to crude attacks), their actions should not be seen as counterrevolutionary. That is why I cannot support Comrade Lenin in this juncture. I pray he sees the sense of this and works to diplomatically straighten out differences between our two most contentious factions.
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Words cannot be a threat to the people. Men should be judged for their deeds. To legislate a man's very thoughts...it is revolting, anti-socialist and anti-proletarian to do such a thing.
 
Communard said:
Words cannot be a threat to the people. Men should be judged for their deeds. To legislate a man's very thoughts...it is revolting, anti-socialist and anti-proletarian to do such a thing.
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Words are the conveyance of ideas. Ideas are the most powerful weapon at any mans disposal. Men should be judged for their deeds. Is the preaching of destruction of the Revolution not a deed? I made no cause to legislate a man's thoughts, I made cause to legislate his actions such that the People may not be harmed.
 
Thezfel101 said:
Words are the conveyance of ideas. Ideas are the most powerful weapon at any mans disposal. Men should be judged for their deeds. Is the preaching of destruction of the Revolution not a deed? I made no cause to legislate a man's thoughts, I made cause to legislate his actions such that the People may not be harmed.
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If a man preaches the destruction of the revolution he will be looked upon with bemusement by the proletarians, who have only benefited from the revolution. It is only when he uses violence to impose his views on others (like our beloved Comrade Lenin) that it starts to be a problem.
 
Cool stuff. I enjoyed catching up on this after being gone for a spell. And I'd agree with Tommy that I think this election is probably the best chance that the Anarchists have ever had. Right now they don't look overly crazy compared to the Marxists. That means that if they secure a dominant share of the votes, the Moderates and Independents would probably be happier to cut a deal with them then with the Marxists or Militarists.

Brothers and Sisters, we must learn to overcome this infighting and focus on the true work of building up our nation.
 
keynes2.0 said:
Cool stuff. I enjoyed catching up on this after being gone for a spell. And I'd agree with Tommy that I think this election is probably the best chance that the Anarchists have ever had. Right now they don't look overly crazy compared to the Marxists. That means that if they secure a dominant share of the votes, the Moderates and Independents would probably be happier to cut a deal with them then with the Marxists or Militarists.

Brothers and Sisters, we must learn to overcome this infighting and focus on the true work of building up our nation.
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It is difficult to overcome infighting when a minority seek to abolish all the other factions.
 
I would just like to take this moment to say, "I told you so about Lenin". The Anarchist Zeal is back to is true roots. We are spreading the truth underground. Anarchist comrades, stop arguing with others about petty differences. At this moment, we need to unite as the Anti-Leninists. The Anarchist Zeal is getting presses ready to show the people the truth and the opposition to this tyrant! Viva Anarchisme!

Liberty for all!
 
Oh, btw, sorry for the double-post, but Tommy, would it be possible for the Republic's actions in Africa to start in South Africa (ie. Transvaal, Oranje, etc.)? The Boer Republics have already gone through the process of capitalism, therefore I believe they would be best to kick-start the African socialist revolution.

That, and I just like Boers. :D
 
Comrades! I urge you, unite in a campaign for electoral change! Do not work towards the destruction of this state or the division of this Revolution.
 
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