Hi all! Tuesday has crept up on us again and it's time for another Horse Lords dev diary. The topics of the week are the map extension, new modding features and probably some other tidbits that I think of as I go along... First off, we did not increase the size of the base map again as we did for Rajas of India, since the most interesting regions were already on the map due to our funky twisted map projection. In fact, even the Orkhon valley and the old khaganate capitals of Karabalgasun and Karakorum are on the existing map. So we simply added some more counties where there was previously only wasteland; 27 to be exact, spread over 8 de jure duchies and two new kingdoms. The addition of these areas required some new cultures as well: Uyghur, Khitan, Sogdian and Tocharian (and of course a lot of new characters in the database to cover the historical periods.)

It is a dynamic region where the hegemony of one nomadic tribe was soon overthrown by another, but it is actually possible to play as proper Mongols (Khalkha) even in 769, in the region of Ötüken (though they start out paying tribute to their Uyghur overlords.) In the 769 start, we represent the region as predominantly Manichean and Buddhist (though the reality was more complex.) The Tarim Basin is perhaps of special interest since the Silk Road passes through it. That's it for the map; on to modding!

Here are some items of particular interest:

• All scripts under the common folder now use a proper folder structure for easier modding (i.e. more than one file can contain data)
• You can now script your own triggers and effects (using existing ones) for easy reuse
• Consistent handling of modded classes; changes are now always added to the modded entity (e.g. a culture or an on_action field), rather than replacing it.
• The new government system allows you to override or add to the special gameplay rules of religions and cultures

The complete modding change log is a bit... obtuse, but I'm including it here anyway.

Spoiler

- Added geographical regions that can be checked in triggers if a title or province is contained in a region defined in map/geographical_region.txt. These regions are static throughout the game and are more reliable than using de-jure triggers for events that you want to affect specific places.
- Bookmarks now uses folder structure
- Combat tactics now uses folder structure
- Disease now uses folder structure
- Job actions now uses folder structure
- Job titles now uses folder structure
- Triggered modifiers now uses folder structure
- Added scripted triggers
- Added scripted effects
- Added create_tradepost effect
- Added folder structure to defines
- Added folder structure to modifier_definitions
- Added MAX_WARDS_PER_GUARDIAN to defines
- Added missing commandline argument "debug" to show debug logs
- Possible to append to cultures from several files
- Possible to append to on_actions from several files
- Added trigger technology_can_spread, checking whether technology can spread in the province.
- Added effects set_special_character_title, remove_special_character_title.
- Can now specify a CB to not be displayed in the diplomatic mapmode
- Culture can now decide if you are allowed to raid or not
- Added external province type in map definitions, will not generate a border or text and can be 1 pixel big
- Added global movement speed modifier
- Now can force contract on specific governments which will bypass the opinion limitations using new government system
- Now possible to disable courtiers from receiving MTTH events in defines
- Added effect set_government_type.
- Governments can be modded in the decisions folder.
- Geographical regions can be modded in the map folder.
- County-, duchy- and sub-region tags can now be used to define island- and geographical regions.
- Added region trigger.
- Added flags reinforcing [yes/no] and reinforce_rate_multiplier to the spawn unit effect.
- Added flag maintenance [yes/no] to the spawn unit effect.
- Added flag looting [yes/no] and can_toggle_looting [yes/no] to the spawn unit effect.
- Added trigger is_allowed_to_loot.
- Added on_action on_became_imprisoned_any_reason, that triggers whenever a character becomes imprisoned for any reason.
- Added flag adventurer [yes/no]. Adventure titles work just as temporary titles but do not get destroyed automatically when the holder is in peace. Instead, they are destroyed whenever the holder gains another title or when the holder dies.
- Added effect set_looting and set_can_toggle_looting for units.
- Added character text GetHusbandWifeOpp.
- Added triggers realm_levy_diff, reverse_realm_levy_diff, max_realm_levy_diff and reverse_max_realm_levy_diff.
- Renamed the realm_manpower trigger to realm_levies.
- The break effect now also properly affect tooltips.
- Added effects any_unit, any_army, any_fleet, random_unit, random_army and random_fleet.
- Added trigger any_unit, any_army and any_fleet.
- Added flag seafarer in culture and religion files, helping the AI to determine if coastal provinces is preferred when raiding.
- Added trigger is_seafarer, checking if either the culture or religion have the seafarer flag set.
- Added trigger is_island, checking if the province exists in island_region.txt.
- Added event target most_participating_crusader, used to get the most participating non-theocracy attacker in a war.
- Added on_action on_divorce, which fires whenever a character gets divorced regardless of the reason.
- Quick triggers are now properly checked when you fire an event from another event.
- Added triggers is_[law/government/decision/targetted_decision/title_decision/settlement_decision]_[valid/potential] with parameters key, character, title and settlement.
- Added effects and triggers any_dejure_liege and any_defacto_liege.
- Added event target defacto_liege_title.
- Added effect destroy_settlement.
- Added effect make_primary_settlement.
- Added match_settlement to the spawn unit effect.
- Added event trigger 'log'.
- Earmarked units can now also use the $CULTURE$ parameter.
- Added trigger completely_controls_region.
- Added any_title effect.
- Added effects make_capital_holding and revoke_capital_holding.
- Added trigger is_nomadic.
- Added government trigger.
- The Spawn Unit effect can now take saved event targets as parameters.
- Added nomad flag to the create_title effect.
- Added effect convert_to_nomad and convert_to_fort.
- Added flags ai_fabricate_claims to religion groups.
- Added flags attacking_same_religion_piety_loss and uses_decadence to religions. Decadence will be used if the religion AND government of a character is scripted to use decadece.
- Added flags hire_cost and maintenance_multiplier to retinue subunits.
- Added event scopes [strongest/weakest]_clan_vassal, [strongest/weakest]_clan, [strongest/weakest]_clan_vassal_except_me and [strongest/weakest]_clan_except_me, determined by the number of empty holdings they hold.
- Added event scopes [most/least]_prestigious_clan_vassal, [most/least]_prestigious_clan, [most/least]_prestigious_clan_vassal_except_me and [most/least]_prestigious_clan_except_me.
- Added event scopes [most/least]_populous_clan_vassal, [most/least]_populous_clan, [most/least]_populous_clan_vassal_except_me and [most/least]_populous_clan_except_me.
- Added triggers clan_satisfaction, total_manpower, unused_manpower, raised_manpower, max_manpower, manpower_growth, population, max_population, population_growth, population_and_manpower, max_population_and_manpower and population_and_manpower_growth.
- Added effects manpower and population.
- Added trigger uses_decadence.
- Added nand-trigger.
- Not-triggers will now do a script assert if it contains more than one trigger (where the use of nand- and nor-triggers are recommended to be used instead), but will work as previously.
- Added trade_post_has_building and trade_post_has_any_building triggers.
- Added trigger is_settlement_type_allowed.
- Added effects create_fort, destroy_fort, seize_fort, random_fort and any_fort.
- Added triggers any_fort, num_of_forts, num_of_forts_diff, has_fort, fort_has_building and fort_has_any_building.
- Added event scope trade_post_owner.
- Added trigger has_castle, has_temple, has_city and has_tribal.
- Added trigger has_settlement_construction.
- Added triggers is_[law/government/decision/targetted_decision/title_decision/settlement_decision/trade_post_decision/fort_decision]_[allowed/potential].
- Added triggers num_of_[subrealm/demesne]_[castles/cities/temples/tribes/empty_provinces].
- Added trigger holding_diff.
- Added effects set_title_landless, set_title_adventurer and set_title_nomad.
- Added forbidden_raid_target opinion modifier, which disallows looting against that character.
- Job action script can now properly use the various job title event scopes.
- Added triggers has_feud_with and any_feud_rival_clan.
- Added triggers clan_opinion, reverse_clan_opinion, their_clan_opinion, clan_opinion_diff and reverse_clan_opinion_diff.
- Added is_high_prio flag to minor titles, determining whether an alert should be shown or not if that title is available to grant.
- Added triggers num_of_king_titles_in_realm, num_of_duke_titles_in_realm, num_of_count_titles_in_realm, num_of_baron_titles_in_realm, num_of_titles_in_realm.
- Added effect unsafe_give_minor_title.
- Added modifiers clan_sentiment, max_manpower, max_manpower_mult, max_population, max_population_mult, manpower_growth and population_growth, currently applicable on characters and the capital.
- Added modifiers retinue_maintenence_cost and horde_maintenence_cost, currently applicable on characters, family palaces and the capital.
- Added is_active_trigger to buildings. Any modifier from buildings that are not considered active will not apply until the is_active_trigger is properly validated.
- Added modifier global_winter_supply, currently applicable on the capital.
- commander_limit can now be scripted in buildings for capital settlements, increasing the number of commanders a ruler can have.
- moved_capital_months_mult can now be scripted for capital buildings and modifies the delay for how often one can change capital, if their government allows for more frequent switching than once per lifetime.
- The set_defacto_liege effect now works on titles as well.
- Added on_actions on_battle_won_owner and on_battle_lost_owner.
- Added modifiers global_trade_route_wealth, global_trade_route_value, global_tradevalue and global_tradevalue_mult, applicable on the capital of holders of a trade post.
- Trade post buildings will now also have an effect in the capital settlement, not only the family palace.
- Fixed bug where the targetted decision filters realm and sub_realm did not properly check the court of the top liege or the current character.
- Added trigger religion_allows_female_temple_holders.
- The spawn_unit effect will now spawn units on any other unit if there is no other valid location (instead of not spawning the units at all).

So, modders delight! What else have I got for you? Well, here's a selection off the top of my head...

• You can now, at any time, move prisoners between the Oubliette, House Arrest and the Dungeon.
• Banishment of landed characters has been changed so that they are only forced to abdicate to their current heir. You no longer get to seize all of their titles.
• Tribal counties are now more viable targets for raiding (there is more loot there)
• The names of opinion modifiers are shown in effect tooltips (instead of just "Opinion Changes by -10", etc)

That is it for now... More to come next week!

 

[klopkr]

I believe they can be modded so they are inherited. Long ago time I made the system but it shouldn't be that hard if my memory saves me right.

Thanks a ton Groogy!

 

[SirRitter]

To be more accurate the tiny, tiny part of the fans that visit this forum have a significant number of people discussing it. How much of such significance is people screaming often and loudly is uncertain.

Personally that is pretty much the only DLC I would not buy under any circunstances. Actually, I wouldn't have bought RoJ and Sunset Invasion if they didn't come in a bundle.

Players who like to play western europeans and byzantines will have to look into mods now if they want something new or fixed, because I suppose nothing new is comming on that front.

 

[Manic Eskimo]

I really hope they call the China DLC Crusader Mings! C'mon you got to.

 

[toroltao]

Personally that is pretty much the only DLC I would not buy under any circunstances. Actually, I wouldn't have bought RoJ and Sunset Invasion if they didn't come in a bundle.

Players who like to play western europeans and byzantines will have to look into mods now if they want something new or fixed, because I suppose nothing new is comming on that front.

You say this now but when they tie some feature like cadet branches or some other much discussed feature into China DLC you'll still buy it anyways.

The whole point of releasing China in CK2 instead of giving it its own game is so that those who would otherwise not spend money on it do. It's common business sense.

Why make a China centric game when that would only split the player base between those interested in China and those who aren't?

With China in CK2 the players only interested in China will be forced to buy all the other expansions as well as the basic game, and those not interested in China will be incentivized to buy the China DLC via global features.

That's what they did with Charlemagne anyways.

 

[SirRitter]

You say this now but when they tie some feature like cadet branches or some other much discussed feature into China DLC you'll still buy it anyways.

hah, you are probably right. There was no such feature in roj o sunset though.

 

[toroltao]

hah, you are probably right. There was no such feature in roj o sunset though.

You can't convert your character to local culture/religion unless you have RoI. Also I had Charlemagne more in mind tbh.

 

[mudcrabmerchant]

Can we claim the title of Genghis Khan for ourselves? Can we replicate the Mongol conquests in the same general time frame, assuming we have a similarly capable ruler? Or will we just have to rely on being extremely lucky to expand as a horde significantly faster than the usual snowball rate?

 

[Galle]

Personally that is pretty much the only DLC I would not buy under any circunstances. Actually, I wouldn't have bought RoJ and Sunset Invasion if they didn't come in a bundle.

Players who like to play western europeans and byzantines will have to look into mods now if they want something new or fixed, because I suppose nothing new is comming on that front.

Remember when people said this sort of thing about Sword of Islam? I sure do.

Groogy, please make sure that converting a feudal nation with merchant republic vassals to be a merchant republic itself does not break the game.

 

[DC123456789]

If there is a Khitan culture, does this mean that the Kara-Khitian will finally appear in some fashion?

I do remember seeing a very big Liao stretching across the eastern edge of the map on their announcement thread screenshots...

 

[MiasmicMoose]

I feel like gnosticism should be it's own religion/religion group

 

[HMatsunaga54]

I mean the thing with China is that it can be fun as hell, because throughout the CK2 period you only had 2 unified china's the Tang in CM and the Yuan in the 1200's, the Song are a close second, everything else can be a long campaign to unite China.

 

[toroltao]

I do remember seeing a very big Liao stretching across the eastern edge of the map on their announcement thread screenshots...

lol there are like 5 provinces in that region

 

[persianfan247]

One thing I would like to see is a melting pot even for Mongols if they convert to Islam. Because Timur and the Timurids shouldn't be using Mongol names. I would prefer a culture called Tartar.

 

[toroltao]

One thing I would like to see is a melting pot even for Mongols if they convert to Islam. Because Timur and the Timurids shouldn't be using Mongol names. I would prefer a culture called Tartar.

Timurids are usually described as Turko-Mongols.

Europeans basically called everyone in Asia Tartars, even the Chinese:

At this point Tartar as an ethnonym is basically meaningless.

 

[Steel_atlas]

Personally that is pretty much the only DLC I would not buy under any circunstances. Actually, I wouldn't have bought RoJ and Sunset Invasion if they didn't come in a bundle.

Players who like to play western europeans and byzantines will have to look into mods now if they want something new or fixed, because I suppose nothing new is comming on that front.

I agree with the sentiment, I feel like China will be getting a shiny new map while France is still splitting up because K_Aquitaine is being created as the HRE dejure claims flanders, Asutrias has a shorter life span then the Zunbils and tanking Catholic MA to the point where random heresies overwhelm Europe, and the HRE once created has the same flavor events as every other catholic empire.

The fact that Charlemagne felt more like The Old Gods 2 then a DLC about the father of europe doesnt help either.

 

[mrstevehazzard]

One thing I would like to see is a melting pot even for Mongols if they convert to Islam. Because Timur and the Timurids shouldn't be using Mongol names. I would prefer a culture called Tartar.

It's been a while since I've seen him, but isn't Timur Turkish culture in the game?

 

[Accrsd]

new banishment you say... I like it.... i will somehow find a way to game this..

 

[Talq]

The entire CK2 fanbase is in civil-war over China it seems.

No, I remain steadfast in my view that I don't care, I'm sick of seeing the same arguments over and over again, and I just wish that it shouldn't take over unrelated threads. Sadly I'm doomed to be frustrated at this point.

 

[Prince Ire]

So, China confirmed, then? *sigh* Still think including China is a bad decision and the devs are making a huge mistake that will leave a lot of the people swooning for China disappointed with the end result. Perhaps the devs will manage to surprise me, but I doubt it.

 

[Alrek Yngling]

The Mongol Horde arrival events have been revised. If a mongol ruler becomes powerful enough he or she can claim the title of Genghis Khan. This will signal that the mongols have been united early and this will block the invasion event of the 13th century. Unless this happens Temujin will now arrive in the corner of the map instead of his sons in the early 13th century.

Or she?! Wooot! Seems like women will be properly represented for the mongols, in terms of alternative historic possibilities.! Y'know, considering how Genghis Khan's daughters and consorts were vital in not only cementing marriages/alliances, but administering their own large swaths of territories as representatives of their father, even riding into battle alongside their male counterparts. I believe the same can be said for Khitan noble women, not sure about other steppe peoples though. And to all the naysayers pick up a history book D:<