Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #73 - Open Beta and Update 1.2 overview

[TripleAgent]

Do you mean "can we just get tin soldiers/cardboard chits we can push around the map?" If so, then no, we can't.

If not, then you'll need to be clearer, because it seems like most people who say that mean "I want tin soldiers / cardboard chits to push around the map".

The ability to actually manage fronts would be nice, though unfortunately based on the OPB interview it doesn't sound like that will be in the cards for a long time, if at all

 

[lachek]

rather than adding new type of plantations/building... why not change so the player can balance amount of output (with a ledger or something). so if you want a plantation to produce 100% and no wheat, it should be able.

this should also be added for every building that has 2 types of output good.

also, there should generally be less type of buildings, or atleast we should be able to group them somehow rather than have a long list of buildings to scroll down to. quantity of buildings (or anything really) doesnt equate quality, rather it is the gameplay that gives quality.

iron/coal/lead etc should be grouped, food sources (farms) like wheat, rice etc etc should be grouped, opium and other plantations should be grouped. consumer goods should be grouped etc etc

Because it would introduce an absolutely insane amount of micro to manually set sliders of PM distributions on individual buildings.

We're considering different solutions to the industrial good output substitution problem long-term, but at the moment balancing the system we have is better.

 

[lachek]

I vaguely recall a dev saying that yall were looking into modifying the colonization system to account for claims in 1.2, to help stop the sort of sillyness the current game has in places like Hokkaido and the Alberta/Montana area, etc. Should I expect to see that in the patch, or has that been pushed back?

That's going to be in the update (and the beta).

 

[lachek]

Great!) looking forward to patch 1.2!
I am glad that the redevelopment of arable land in the world has finally passed.
Since we are talking about separate plantations for growing grapes. Can we expect sugar beet plantations to appear as well? For the same reason as stated above.

Sugar beets have a really interesting history I'd love to represent in the game, but I think it's better served as something other than a distinct building, personally.

 

[Star Seeker]

For the love of god, can we just get actual control over our military?

I mean, aren't you getting some of that with "Strategic Objectives for planning military campaigns"? Not enough for you, I imagine, but it's not like they are ignoring the issue you have.

The ability to actually manage fronts would be nice, though unfortunately based on the OPB interview it doesn't sound like that will be in the cards for a long time, if at all

If by "manage" you mean splitting fronts, then that seems to be on their roadmap according to the post-release DD, though probably not for this patch:

• Experimenting with controlled front-splitting for longer fronts

 

[funkyfreshrat]

Would appreciate seeing the strange situation regarding Spain being addressed sooner rather than later, as to why some Spanish captaincies such as Cuba start as colonies under Spain in-game but another with the same status historically, Puerto Rico, starts as fully integrated. If you are needing direction as to where to go for colonial leadership of Puerto Rico, this is the list of governors since 1509 (It currently tends to release as a monarchy, which fails this long history). Puerto Rico's default flag is also still the flag it was given under the United States past the timescale of Victoria 3, would be nice for the tag to be given appropriate flags for both the timescale of the game as well as flags for appropriate colonial/independent status.

 

[veryalien]

I appreciate this. My only regret is that as a business Paradox did not label this early access because lets face it there's a lot of work to be done yet before this diamond can really shine.

 

[Pedro1509]

Hallo! Automation of Production methods is on the plan? Don't make sense in nation without planned economy.

 

[agaabrieel]

I appreciate this. My only regret is that as a business Paradox did not label this early access because lets face it there's a lot of work to be done yet before this diamond can really shine.

I wouldn't personally say the game launched at an 'early access level' but yeah, it definitely launched as a 'brute diamond'. The good part is: they're adressing (most of) our complaints, even some I never even imagined they would. Vic 3, at least for me, it's already one of Pdxs best games, and it has the potential to be their best yet (until Vic 4 ).

 

[KaiserJohan]

Out of curiosity, is the infrastructure for the message settings part of the engine or specific to Vic3? In other words, how easy/difficult would it be to port the system over to CK3?

Game specific

 

[CollectorOfBolts]

Game specific

That is unfortunate. Understandable given the differences between the games, but unfortunate.

In any case, thank you for the response.

 

[Oglesby]

I vaguely recall a dev saying that yall were looking into modifying the colonization system to account for claims in 1.2, to help stop the sort of sillyness the current game has in places like Hokkaido and the Alberta/Montana area, etc. Should I expect to see that in the patch, or has that been pushed back?

Part of the Canada (and Mexico) colonization issue is that they no longer have 'interest' in the area (as all they have is colonies) and they fixed the bug where colonies continue to grow in areas that you no longer have an interest. This leaves the majority of the Canada (and Mexico) colonies sitting idle. Hopefully what ever they did to fix this issue also takes care of this oversight.

 

[Kyoumen]

Great!) looking forward to patch 1.2!
I am glad that the redevelopment of arable land in the world has finally passed.
Since we are talking about separate plantations for growing grapes. Can we expect sugar beet plantations to appear as well? For the same reason as stated above.

I kinda assume that's represented by the pms that let you get sugar out of farms. If they eventually impllement sliders, you'll have more control on how much sugar is produced.

A new building would of course also work, but you'd have to balance sugar production worldwide so as not to have a synthetics industry problem where it's rarely worth building.

(On that note, cultures should be more prone to get sugar obsessions as it becomes cheaper and more available to the lower classes, as they certainly did in real life, Sugared fish, anyone?

 

[Kyoumen]

Because it would introduce an absolutely insane amount of micro to manually set sliders of PM distributions on individual buildings.

We're considering different solutions to the industrial good output substitution problem long-term, but at the moment balancing the system we have is better.

For at least some specific situations, like growing wine in France, would it be reasonable/possible to have province modifiers that increase output of the secondary production?

 

[Darth_Siddius]

People complaining about the state of the game at release tend to forget that Paradox always follows this way: A playable, very solid base game at release and then expand it while also listening to the opinions and desires of the players.

I want to remind these people complaining, that they should roll back other recent Paradox titles to version 1.0 and look how they were before comparing them. HoI4 with only a few focus trees and basic mechanics. Stellaris was visually a gem but gameplay was also quite lackluster at the beginning. EU4 is compared to its current state literally unplayable in 1.0.
We all just tend to forget how these games were at the beginning, but if we think about it: They all started the same. And in the end we sink thousands of hours into them because they just are like a fine wine: Become better the older they get.

And honestly: Vic3's dev team here is on a very good way, assessing the major things very fast, communicating with us and don't instantly concentrate on the first paid DLC.

The game has tons of potential, and I'm excited as to where the road will guide us with this.

 

[FizCap]

Looks like a cool update, but why does the world map barely change from 1836 to 1936, it is practically identical. Barely any independence rebellions happen, countries don't collapse, etc.

 

[Bshepp]

As part of the update can we get a rework of religious law. Perhaps something about heritage like accepting all: Abrahamic, Eastern, or Indic religions

Or you could have tolerance for all "organized religions" (to borrow from CK)

Or you could have an "emancipation of [your country's largest minority religion]"

We just need some other religion law.

 

[Troyen]

Exact dates of the subsequent releases aren't confirmed but we're actually aiming for 1 / week, with a longer period between the last beta update and the live release. The reason for this is because we need to freeze the build for final testing a bit ahead of release.

It sounds like you're going to shut down the beta branch after the feedback cut-off date. For players going from 1.1 to the 1.2 beta, that means there'll likely be a week or two where they have to go back to 1.1, which may be a disappointing readjustment.

Can you consider doing something like the Stellaris team where they have an explicit feedback cutoff date, but they leave the beta branch up to play around with until the official patch releases?

 

[habusibao2021]

I hope to see the cabinet, parliament and intelligence system in V3 in the future. The parliamentary system can have the struggle of political parties and factions, the cabinet system can have the union of political parties and the allocation of seats, and the intelligence system can have subversion and rebellion.

 

[agaabrieel]

Looks like a cool update, but why does the world map barely change from 1836 to 1936, it is practically identical. Barely any independence rebellions happen, countries don't collapse, etc.

That's a fair point, especially considering how significant the victorian era was for humanity. In my experience, changes do happen quite frequently but not in a very organical manner, like fascist France for the 35th time in a row. Perhaps a solution to that could be having more events related to political movements of the period for a particular country, or having more granularity between interest groups from different countries to allow local idiosyncrasies to arise more frequently, giving birth to movements advocating for things like, idk, afro-brazilian ethnostate. Would add a lot of depth and interesting flavors (like smoked paprika) to gameplay.