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Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #71 - Autonomous Investment in 1.2

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Hello and welcome to another Victoria 3 dev diary! Today’s diary marks the start of dev diaries about Patch 1.2, which is the next major upcoming patch for Victoria 3 (release date to be announced). As with 1.1, 1.2 will contain a slate of bug fixes, UX improvements, AI improvements and so on, but also some more significant changes to game mechanics, which we’re going to go over in these dev diaries.

The particular changes we’ll be talking about today, as alluded to by the title, is Autonomous Investment, which is something we said we were going to look into for our post-release plans back in Dev Diary #64. What we said back then is that while we are never going to take construction out of the hands of the player entirely, we were open to the idea of non-government entities constructing buildings in a way not directly controlled by the country, and what we came up with is a system where the Investment Pool will be used by private entities to construct different types of buildings depending on your economic laws.

Before going over how all this works, I first want to mention that we recognize that the community is somewhat split on the issue of autonomous construction, and as such, we’ve opted to create a new Game Rule for Autonomous Investment. By default, Autonomous Investment is enabled, which puts the Investment Pool out of the hands of the player, but you can choose to disable it, which puts the Investment Pool back in the player’s hands and makes it work exactly as it does in the current 1.1.2 version of the game.

The Investment Pool Game Rule allows you to enable or disable autonomous construction with Investment Pool funds, depending on your personal preference
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Regardless of whether Autonomous Investment is enabled, the Investment Pool works pretty much the same as it did before: Certain Pop Types with ownership shares in buildings pay part of their dividends into the Investment Pool, the funds in which can then be drawn on for construction. There are, however, a few key differences in 1.2 compared to 1.1.

Firstly, the types of Pops that invest have been expanded from just Aristocrats and Capitalists to also include Farmers and Shopkeepers. Capitalists invest the highest percentage of their dividends (20%), followed by Aristocrats at 10%, with Farmers and Shopkeepers investing only 5% each. The rationale here is that it wasn’t only the wealthiest in society who invested in new businesses, and this also allows a small degree of investment under laws which strip ownership away from the Capitalists and Aristocrats (but more on that next week).

Secondly, the proportion of dividends that are paid into the Investment Pool varies in 1.1 based on your laws, which can have some pretty bizarre effects, such as switching to Laissez-Faire suddenly creating a bunch of Capitalist Radicals because they are now investing more money and thus end with a drop in their Wealth. The proportion of funds that are invested is now a fixed percentage based on pop type, which is then subjected to an efficiency bonus: Capitalists always invest 20% of their dividends, for example, but under Laissez-Faire, this investment is more efficient and ends up contributing more money to the Investment Pool.

There is also a general investment efficiency bonus for payments into the Investment Pool in small and mid-sized economies, and a penalty in very large ones, to ensure the Investment Pool is also relevant for mid-sized countries while not growing to such absurd proportions that it cannot possibly be spent in a 10 billion GDP country. These efficiency bonuses are meant to abstract a system of foreign investment, which is something we’ve also mentioned is on our radar in Dev Diary #64 but is a bigger rework that we are not tackling yet in patch 1.2.

Agrarianism gives a hefty bonus to the investments of your Farmers and Aristocrats, but reduces investments from Capitalists and greatly limits the types of buildings they can put their money into.
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So how then, does the Investment Pool funds get turned into buildings when Autonomous Investment is enabled? Well, autonomously, of course! With Autonomous Investment, the Construction Queue is split into Private and Government Constructions, with Government Constructions being anything (regardless of whether it’s a Government building or not) ordered to be built or auto-expanded by the player or country-level AI, while a Private Construction is anything the Pops themselves are building. The Construction capacity of the country will be split between the Private and Government queues in a proportion based on your economic law, though if there isn’t enough constructions queued of one type to use its full allocation, the excess can be used by the other queue instead.

In the construction screen, you’ll be able to see what the next planned Private Construction will be, along with its current funding level. The funding level is a calculated value based on both the total funds available in the Investment Pool as well as the weekly funds coming into it, and can fluctuate based on the Market price of Goods used in construction. Once a project is funded and ready, it’ll be added to the private Construction Queue the next tick. Private Constructions, unlike Government ones, cannot be reprioritized or canceled - they will always be built in the order they are queued up by the Pops.

Though the Government is currently building nothing in France, there are several private constructions in progress, and plans for the expansion of the Alsace-Lorraine iron mines. Note that this UI is highly WIP!
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Pop-ordered constructions use a variant of the standard construction AI which doesn’t take into account the country-level AI’s strategic objectives and prioritizes the creation of profitable buildings which will create lucrative jobs for the investing Pop types, but they will also take some more ‘strategic’ factors into account, such as building railroads in low-infrastructure states. Just as with the country-level AI, they also have access to the system of Spending Variables described in Dev Diary #59, which means that they do not operate on a snapshot of the current Market but understand factors such as the impact that already queued buildings (private and government-ordered both) will have on prices once completed and staffed.

Since Autonomous Investment does not only affect player countries, you might be wondering how well this system works together with the AI? The answer is that it actually works quite well! Together with a bunch of AI improvements and fixes in 1.2, this has resulted in more stable economic growth for AI countries and especially seems to have given Great Britain a boost, as the private sector doing its own thing means that the economy is usually growing even if the country’s treasury is having issues, at least as long as the Pops investing into private-sector growth are making healthy profits. There’s still some issues, particularly when AI runs out of available workforce late game, that we are hoping to tackle before 1.2 releases to further improve the AI’s economic growth.

Screenshot from a hands-off game taken in 1908. While there’s certainly still room for improvement and some countries like France and Prussia have underperformed due to wars and turmoil (and Austria continues to overperform compared to history), it’s definitely looking better than in 1.1.2.
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That’s it for today! Join us again next week as we go over more changes to the economy in 1.2, with a particular focus on Economic Laws and the introduction of Government Shares in buildings.
 
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Don't understand how people don't like this system, I think it's marvellous!
Always found it problematic to spend that investment pool properly, glad that it will happen now automatically!
 
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So in Agrarianism the Capitalists do invest but no capitalist-buildings get built or?
Agrarianism in 1.2 has a few buildings for Capitalists to invest in, like Logging Camps and Fisheries.
 
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I know this is probably out of the scope of 1.2, but in the future is there any interest in allowing the private market to create characters that, though not part of the government, have substantial sway over the private sector and/or say on policy? The Persian Shah having to wrestle with an English tycoon who controls a disproportionate amount of the native oil supply for example.
 
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This is a very bold move from the developers!
I like it! Perhaps this will help fight the "snowball" of your GDP, because part of your construction sector will no longer be fully controlled by you!
 
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I don't quite understand about the contribution efficiency, is this 100 contributed by capitalists will become 150?
Yes. We try to avoid creating/destroying money as much as possible but in cases like this the alternative is worse. The long term goal is to find a place for all such wealth to go/come from, like Tax Waste going to some sort of corruption system or similar.
 
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How does this work with AI countries currently? I assume that they have a way of getting over the initial bumps for things such as tools, steel, and explosives, that ignores current profitability, because otherwise you end up in a situation where there's no demand and no way to get demand (because it would result in a profitability loss in the short term), so the AI just doesn't build tools/steel and so on, and never industrialises.
IIRC there's some logic the AI follows to kickstart the use of new goods but I don't remember the details.

That said, I'm with the player being the one responsible for doing this in their own country.
 

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Yes. We try to avoid creating/destroying money as much as possible but in cases like this the alternative is worse. The long term goal is to find a place for all such wealth to go/come from, like Tax Waste going to some sort of corruption system or similar.
Why not instead model it as an inefficiency? Then when a tax waste to corruption system is introduced, lost invsstment pool money (greased palms etc.) can also use it.
 
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Will the private AI actively pursue economy of scale bonus ie stacking say Textile Mills in one state as opposed to spreading them out (which is less efficient and less profitable long term but may be more profitable short term)?
 
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Yes. We try to avoid creating/destroying money as much as possible but in cases like this the alternative is worse. The long term goal is to find a place for all such wealth to go/come from, like Tax Waste going to some sort of corruption system or similar.
Why not do the opposite? I.E. capitalists pay 100 but the effincy is only 70% so the money that gets into the pool is only 70. I think it would be slightly more believable, as it could be explained by legislation and bureaucracy limitations.
 
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Agrarianism in 1.2 has a few buildings for Capitalists to invest in, like Logging Camps and Fisheries.
Is there anything that's uncapped by state? What if you run out of forest and fisheries to exploit?
 
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Why not do the opposite? I.E. capitalists pay 100 but the effincy is only 70% so the money that gets into the pool is only 70. I think it would be slightly more believable, as it could be explained by legislation and bureaucracy limitations.
This is also the case if efficiency is low.
 
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Pops invest based on dividends from ownership shares, so Academics wouldn't actually have any money to invest - which Pops do invest is generally based on who tends to have ownership shares.
Art academies (employs Academics and upper strata pops) would do a trick - so at least some of them could invest
 
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Outstanding news! Very excited by the change.
 
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So far I like this new system. I hope that with investment rate rebalance, it will be possible to gainfully spend laissez-faire investment pool. Also, it would be cool if you can fix some UX issues of building queue while you at it (like instant scrolling to top when item removed from queue, or general clunkiness of queue for countries with big construction capacity). Can't wait for the next dev diary, especially government shares part!
 
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This dev diary and the changes proposed give me a lot of hope that the devs know what they are doing with the game and that there are decent bones to this thing that will get built up into greater things yet.
Once the monetary side of things like tax waste, government shares/bonds and minting get involved into this, then the economic engine of the game will be far more intricate and the players can start pulling on the levers that work in real life, like monetary policy or tariffs. I hope that this will also address the earlier mentioned "investment efficiency", which sounds like an ersatz for the levels of investment under different systems and the actual rate of foreign investment which should become a thing with time.
 
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