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Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #71 - Autonomous Investment in 1.2

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Hello and welcome to another Victoria 3 dev diary! Today’s diary marks the start of dev diaries about Patch 1.2, which is the next major upcoming patch for Victoria 3 (release date to be announced). As with 1.1, 1.2 will contain a slate of bug fixes, UX improvements, AI improvements and so on, but also some more significant changes to game mechanics, which we’re going to go over in these dev diaries.

The particular changes we’ll be talking about today, as alluded to by the title, is Autonomous Investment, which is something we said we were going to look into for our post-release plans back in Dev Diary #64. What we said back then is that while we are never going to take construction out of the hands of the player entirely, we were open to the idea of non-government entities constructing buildings in a way not directly controlled by the country, and what we came up with is a system where the Investment Pool will be used by private entities to construct different types of buildings depending on your economic laws.

Before going over how all this works, I first want to mention that we recognize that the community is somewhat split on the issue of autonomous construction, and as such, we’ve opted to create a new Game Rule for Autonomous Investment. By default, Autonomous Investment is enabled, which puts the Investment Pool out of the hands of the player, but you can choose to disable it, which puts the Investment Pool back in the player’s hands and makes it work exactly as it does in the current 1.1.2 version of the game.

The Investment Pool Game Rule allows you to enable or disable autonomous construction with Investment Pool funds, depending on your personal preference
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Regardless of whether Autonomous Investment is enabled, the Investment Pool works pretty much the same as it did before: Certain Pop Types with ownership shares in buildings pay part of their dividends into the Investment Pool, the funds in which can then be drawn on for construction. There are, however, a few key differences in 1.2 compared to 1.1.

Firstly, the types of Pops that invest have been expanded from just Aristocrats and Capitalists to also include Farmers and Shopkeepers. Capitalists invest the highest percentage of their dividends (20%), followed by Aristocrats at 10%, with Farmers and Shopkeepers investing only 5% each. The rationale here is that it wasn’t only the wealthiest in society who invested in new businesses, and this also allows a small degree of investment under laws which strip ownership away from the Capitalists and Aristocrats (but more on that next week).

Secondly, the proportion of dividends that are paid into the Investment Pool varies in 1.1 based on your laws, which can have some pretty bizarre effects, such as switching to Laissez-Faire suddenly creating a bunch of Capitalist Radicals because they are now investing more money and thus end with a drop in their Wealth. The proportion of funds that are invested is now a fixed percentage based on pop type, which is then subjected to an efficiency bonus: Capitalists always invest 20% of their dividends, for example, but under Laissez-Faire, this investment is more efficient and ends up contributing more money to the Investment Pool.

There is also a general investment efficiency bonus for payments into the Investment Pool in small and mid-sized economies, and a penalty in very large ones, to ensure the Investment Pool is also relevant for mid-sized countries while not growing to such absurd proportions that it cannot possibly be spent in a 10 billion GDP country. These efficiency bonuses are meant to abstract a system of foreign investment, which is something we’ve also mentioned is on our radar in Dev Diary #64 but is a bigger rework that we are not tackling yet in patch 1.2.

Agrarianism gives a hefty bonus to the investments of your Farmers and Aristocrats, but reduces investments from Capitalists and greatly limits the types of buildings they can put their money into.
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So how then, does the Investment Pool funds get turned into buildings when Autonomous Investment is enabled? Well, autonomously, of course! With Autonomous Investment, the Construction Queue is split into Private and Government Constructions, with Government Constructions being anything (regardless of whether it’s a Government building or not) ordered to be built or auto-expanded by the player or country-level AI, while a Private Construction is anything the Pops themselves are building. The Construction capacity of the country will be split between the Private and Government queues in a proportion based on your economic law, though if there isn’t enough constructions queued of one type to use its full allocation, the excess can be used by the other queue instead.

In the construction screen, you’ll be able to see what the next planned Private Construction will be, along with its current funding level. The funding level is a calculated value based on both the total funds available in the Investment Pool as well as the weekly funds coming into it, and can fluctuate based on the Market price of Goods used in construction. Once a project is funded and ready, it’ll be added to the private Construction Queue the next tick. Private Constructions, unlike Government ones, cannot be reprioritized or canceled - they will always be built in the order they are queued up by the Pops.

Though the Government is currently building nothing in France, there are several private constructions in progress, and plans for the expansion of the Alsace-Lorraine iron mines. Note that this UI is highly WIP!
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Pop-ordered constructions use a variant of the standard construction AI which doesn’t take into account the country-level AI’s strategic objectives and prioritizes the creation of profitable buildings which will create lucrative jobs for the investing Pop types, but they will also take some more ‘strategic’ factors into account, such as building railroads in low-infrastructure states. Just as with the country-level AI, they also have access to the system of Spending Variables described in Dev Diary #59, which means that they do not operate on a snapshot of the current Market but understand factors such as the impact that already queued buildings (private and government-ordered both) will have on prices once completed and staffed.

Since Autonomous Investment does not only affect player countries, you might be wondering how well this system works together with the AI? The answer is that it actually works quite well! Together with a bunch of AI improvements and fixes in 1.2, this has resulted in more stable economic growth for AI countries and especially seems to have given Great Britain a boost, as the private sector doing its own thing means that the economy is usually growing even if the country’s treasury is having issues, at least as long as the Pops investing into private-sector growth are making healthy profits. There’s still some issues, particularly when AI runs out of available workforce late game, that we are hoping to tackle before 1.2 releases to further improve the AI’s economic growth.

Screenshot from a hands-off game taken in 1908. While there’s certainly still room for improvement and some countries like France and Prussia have underperformed due to wars and turmoil (and Austria continues to overperform compared to history), it’s definitely looking better than in 1.1.2.
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That’s it for today! Join us again next week as we go over more changes to the economy in 1.2, with a particular focus on Economic Laws and the introduction of Government Shares in buildings.
 
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Looking good! Just few small questions:

1. Why only 4 groups can contribute to investment pool? If there is workers cooperative workers should also contribute to upgrade their factories.

2. Where are money from additional efficiency come from? Is it gov budget?

3. Can we have on construction screen some indication what is private and government construction pool separately when both queue's are full?

4. If we are talking about construction can we have a button to add new building on the 1st place in queue but after recently build buildings to not interrupt their progress?

Changes looks great, I'm looking forward to see how it will shape the game with unannounced plans for next update. :)
 
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Is it considered to actually give all pop types investment option? I can't see why for example farmers would be investing but say not academics. Maybe add in a ratio based on factors such as present wealth, literacy as well as law types that shifts these investment ratios.

I can see for example a highly literate and developed society, such as Netherlands, having all of their pop types investing. While in a low literacy, low economic development and low education society it would be odd that farmers are investing.

There does seem a high level of correlation between being educated and having wealth already to investing your money. So arbitrarily decided percentages may not be the best compared to literacy and wealth.
Pops invest based on dividends from ownership shares, so Academics wouldn't actually have any money to invest - which Pops do invest is generally based on who tends to have ownership shares.
 
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Can you give the AI any good modifiers for building? I'm not a great player, but I think I can build more decently than the AI, so I'm not inclined to turn this mode on just to let the AI do it.
 

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2) I'm actually unsure what the question here entails - what parts of it would you like to be able to mod?
It was more a general question,since i have seen a few people mentioning they like modding it for subsidies,for example.To clarify,my main question was if there are any changes regarding investment pool modding compared to current version or not?
 

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Can you give the AI any good modifiers for building? I'm not a great player, but I think I can build more decently than the AI, so I'm not inclined to turn this mode on just to let the AI do it.
Something that is worth noting here is that the AI for this only has to consider which buildings make sense to build for profit and supplying needed goods for the market, which it actually has pretty solid tools for doing. Many of the issues that result in poor AI economic performance is actually things like the AI razing their ports or ending up in too many civil wars. With that said, we are also making a general concerted effort to improve the AI across the board in 1.2, including building selections.
 
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Hey @Wizzington

Can I ask what the scope or roadmap of 1.2 is in general? Is this only focusing on economy or are we going to see other changes to systems?

1 DD for investment poool
1 DD for more economy
1 DD for graphical changes
1 DD for War changes
1 DD for Politics changes
1 DD for Balance
etc

1.2 release in a few months? or soon. What does that look like.

Thanks

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Also please add voting functionality to suggestions :p
 
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It was more a general question,since i have seen a few people mentioning they like modding it for subsidies,for example.To clarify,my main question was if there are any changes regarding investment pool modding compared to current version or not?
The modifiers and values involved are a bit different and you have some more efficiency tools to play with, but otherwise no significant changes.
 
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Will it split always 50%-50%?

I would say more liberal economis should have lesser control over construction sector.

btw i love this
 
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Hey @Wizzington

Can I ask what the scope or roadmap of 1.2 is in general? Is this only focusing on economy or are we going to see other changes to systems?

1 DD for investment poool
1 DD for more economy
1 DD for graphical changes
1 DD for War changes
1 DD for Politics changes
1 DD for Balance
etc

1.2 release in a few months? or soon. What does that look like.

Thanks

PS
Also please add voting functionality to suggestions :p
We're not ready to talk about the whole scope of 1.2 yet, but you can definitely expect to see several points from our post release plans DD checked off.
 
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Pops invest based on dividends from ownership shares, so Academics wouldn't actually have any money to invest - which Pops do invest is generally based on who tends to have ownership shares.

That is indeed true under current system, so could there be anything regarding a more general and developed investment system where all pops which have surplus money could invest for dividends without ownership and without pre-determined percentage values in future? Perhaps as part of a content update or DLC later. Perhaps as part of a system of investing in foreign countries?
 
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Will it split always 50%-50%?

I would say more liberal economis should have lesser control over construction sector
No, it depends on economic laws, so the Private allocation is higher under LF for example.
 
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Seems a bit arbitrary that shopkeepers and farmers contribute to the investment pool, but not say, bureaucrats.

Kinda feels like all the pop types except slaves should be able to contribute, assuming their standard of living is above a certain level.
 
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That is indeed true under current system, so could there be anything regarding a more general and developed investment system where all pops which have surplus money could invest for dividends without ownership and without pre-determined percentage values in future? Perhaps as part of a content update or DLC later. Perhaps as part of a system of investing in foreign countries?
Honestly if we were to do something like that it would probably need to be something more akin to Pops buying private stock or investing in treasury bonds - an Academic working as a university isn't likely to just go over to the local factory owner and go 'here's my life savings, build yourself something nice' ;)
 
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Seems a bit arbitrary that shopkeepers and farmers contribute to the investment pool, but not say, bureaucrats.

Kinda feels like all the pop types except slaves should be able to contribute, assuming their standard of living is above a certain level.
It's based on who owns shares in buildings. Bureaucrats don't have building shares in 1.2.
 
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Pops invest based on dividends from ownership shares, so Academics wouldn't actually have any money to invest - which Pops do invest is generally based on who tends to have ownership shares.

Don't Academics get ownership shares in Art Academies, getting dividends from selling Fine Art?
 
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I think making this a game rule is a good idea. That way people who prefer the new system can keep that, and the people who prefer this system (which is closer to the one in Vic II) can use it instead.
Also this should finally stop the constant laissez-faire whining. Don't get me wrong, I understand why some people prefer this type of building and investment system, but the people acting like the current manual control one somehow makes the game unplayable and irredeemably bad is a tad hyperbolic.
 
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