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Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #13 - Standard of Living

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Hello again and welcome to yet another walkthrough of some interrelated systems fundamental to Victoria 3’s economic model: Standard of Living, Wealth, Pop Needs, and Consumption.

All Pops in Victoria 3 have a Standard of Living score between 1 and 99, which represents - by a perfectly scientific and objective metric, don’t @ me - precisely how great their life is. Pops with levels 1-4 are labeled Starving, levels 5-9 are Struggling, and so on through Impoverished, Middling, Secure, Prosperous, Affluent, Wealthy, Lavish, and at levels 60+, Opulent. We don’t really expect a lot of Pops to reach levels 60+ but - knowing you folks - we’ve left plenty of headroom to accommodate your mad economic experiments.

Standard of Living affects two major aspects of the game: birth- and death rate, and Pop loyalty.

Birth rate is simply the percentage of children born to Pops each year, while death rate is the percentage of Pops who die. Both values start out high and decline with increasing Standard of Living, but birth rate declines slower than death rate, leading to a net increase in population growth with increasing Standard of Living. This system models that increasing Standard of Living tends to lead to longer life expectancy but declining natality. Each parameter can be modified independently by a variety of effects.

Scratch your priesthood’s back and they’ll scratch yours. Note that Interest Group Traits can vary between Interest Group variants, so a different religion might provide a different benefit.
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There are side effects to emancipation! But while reduced population growth here initially appears to be a penalty, increasing the proportion of industrial workforce at the same time tends to lead to increasing Standard of Living, which provides a net increase in population growth.
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Pop loyalty is altered whenever their Standard of Living increases or declines from its current value. Martin will get into much more detail on this in next week’s Development Diary on Political Movements.

A Pop’s Wealth attribute forms the foundation for its Standard of Living. Pops can also gain more intangible boosts or penalties to their Standard of Living from any number of sources.

Pops accumulate Wealth over time while their weekly income exceeds their weekly expenses. Conversely, if a Pop’s expenses exceed its income, Wealth will decline. How large their expenses are depends on what and how much they consume, which is also dependent on their Wealth. What this means is that as long as a Pop’s income remains the same, and the cost of the goods and services in their state and market remains the same, that Pop’s Wealth will over time drift towards exactly the level of consumption they can afford to sustain. Of course, as Wealth changes the consumption also changes, which affects the prices of the goods in the market, which might in turn affect their wages, dividends, etcetera.

This weekly shortfall of funds will eventually lead to a reduction in Wealth and thereby consumption, but since the shortfall is only a small fraction of its income it will take several months to have an impact on the Wealth score and thereby the Standard of Living.
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Wealth has a number of functions in addition to forming the basis for Standard of Living. A Pop’s raw Political Strength (excluding any such power conferred by the country’s Voting Franchise, which is treated separately) is dependent on their Wealth. Some privately operated Institutions provide benefits to Pops only in relation to their Wealth. Many Professional Qualifications also require Pops to have a certain amount of Wealth.

Each Wealth level is defined by a set of Needs and an amount of “value” that needs to be spent on goods to fulfill that Need. This “value” is defined in goods base prices, such that the Need for Standard Clothing for a Pop of size 10,000 with Wealth level 14 might be fulfilled by buying £87 worth of Clothes, assuming perfectly balanced supply and demand. If the actual price of Clothes where the Pop lives is over-demanded, their cost to fulfill this need will also be higher. As a result, cheaper goods means wealthier, happier Pops.

This Peasant Pop’s Wealth is low (6), so it consumes only the basic necessities.
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Many Needs can be satisfied by a variety of different goods. For example, the Need for Heating requires Wood, Fabric, Coal, Oil, and/or Electricity. These can be purchased in any combination assuming the total base prices add up to the required value. When given this option Pops will attempt to make a rational purchase decision based on which goods are the most available, satisfying their Need with some mix of these goods or even only one, if that’s the only one available. In this way an inland, isolated state might not consume any Fish at all as long as it has sufficient Grain, Fruit, Meat, or even packaged Groceries to satisfy their Need for food.

A breakdown of how the Peasants in Ceylon spent their heating budget this week.
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Goods can also appear in several different Needs categories. Groceries, Meat, and Fruit can fulfil the need for both Basic Food and Luxury Food, but Grain or Fish can only fulfil the need for Basic Food. As a result, maintaining only Millet Farms and Fishing Wharfs to meet your food needs will mostly satisfy your poor Pops, while focusing on Livestock Ranches and Banana Plantations will cause wealthy Pops to inflate the price of the available food supply and further impoverish the poor. Operating productive Food Industries that can turn Grain and Fish into Groceries is good for everyone in your country, and frees up any available supply of Meat and Fruit to be consumed by those with a Need for Luxury Food.

A breakdown of who requires Basic Food and how it can be fulfilled.
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Lower Wealth levels have only a handful of Needs, such as Simple Clothing, Heating, Basic Food, and Intoxicants. The middle levels introduce more refined Needs like Household Items, Services, Luxury Drinks, and Free Movement. Really wealthy Pops consume increasingly vast quantities of Luxury Goods to impress and outdo their peers. In some cases Needs disappear entirely in favor of more diverse Needs. The Need for Simple Clothing which can be satisfied by both Fabric and Clothes will, as a Pop is raised from abject poverty, be gradually phased out by the Need for Standard Clothing which include only professionally sewn items.

Compared to the Wealth 6 Peasants, these Wealth 17 Bureaucrats are more diverse in their requirements.
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Introducing new goods into your market will help you diversify your economy and alleviate the demand on crucial industrial goods. Importing Oil - either petroleum from newly discovered deposits or whale oil from the few places in the world that produce it - will cause your Pops to buy some quantity of it for heating instead of Coal or Electricity, which lowers the price of those goods and help make your industries more profitable. Introducing Opium into your market will decrease Pop demand for Liquor and Tobacco... for good or ill.

Some goods are favored over others by default if available. Once Electricity is available to them, due to its convenience Pops will prefer to buy it over Wood or Coal, even if they’re the same price. Some goods can be replaced by other goods entirely, while others will always be required to some bare minimum. Train travel can completely replace the need for having your own Automobile to drive around in, but having an Automobile doesn’t ever completely remove the need for an occasional train ride to see your cousin who lives all the way in Paris.

In addition to these factors cultures can develop Obsessions for certain goods, and some even have Taboos they must abide by. A country can also encourage or discourage the consumption of certain goods using Authority, perhaps in an effort to avoid enriching a hated enemy or entice Pops to buy something that’s heavily taxed over something that is not. This impacts the purchase habits of Pops affected despite this being irrational from a strictly financial perspective.

What if the Bengali were obsessed with the status afforded to them by Luxury Furniture? This could happen due to events, or organically because Luxury Furniture is a really prevalent luxury good in markets where a lot of Bengali Pops live. But even if this habit is developed around their homelands, Bengali Pops that migrate abroad - to the USA or Australia or Japan - will continue preferring Luxury Furniture to other luxury goods, and will suffer financially if the same level of access is not available there.
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Let’s close out by considering the difference between this and the consumption model from previous games. In Victoria 2, Pops have different Life, Everyday, and Luxury Needs based on their Type (what we call Profession in Victoria 3), both in types of goods and quantities. Pops in Victoria 2 always strive to get promoted into Types which require more advanced, luxurious goods in larger quantities, but will fail to do so if they cannot afford it. Since certain advanced Types of Pops in Victoria 2 perform their duties objectively better than their less advanced counterparts (e.g. Craftsmen, Clerks) it becomes important to retain access to advanced goods in order to ensure that your workforce is internationally competitive.

In Victoria 3 this formula is turned on its head. An Engineer is not intrinsically better than a Machinist who is not intrinsically better than a Laborer, and there’s no ideal national proportions between them you need to maintain in order to maximize your competitiveness. Different Professions do fulfil different functions, but it’s the Production Methods of the Buildings they work in that determine what function they serve. By choosing what Buildings to construct and which Production Methods to activate, you create the opportunities for these Professions which in turn impose changes to the population. What types of goods you need to ensure access to in order to keep your population satisfied is not driven directly by what professional opportunities you have created, but rather by what Wealth development and Wealth distribution these changes have resulted in.

Professions that are part of the Middle Strata in this state are considerably better off than those in the Lower Strata, and not far off from the Upper Strata. It’s very likely this state hasn’t started industrializing yet, since Shopkeepers - who run the pre-industrial economy - are Middle Strata, and Upper Strata Aristocrats aren’t always particularly wealthy if their income originates from exploiting the Peasantry on Subsistence Farms. Since the Middle Strata is already wealthy enough to demand Transportation, construction of Railways in this state is likely to be both profitable and beneficial for population growth and general happiness.
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As a result, Pops in Victoria 3 won’t always strive to ascend to a higher social strata, nor will an Aristocrat always have a higher income or goods consumption Needs compared to a Clerk. All of this is driven by market forces - a qualifying Clerk would gladly become an Aristocrat on available land if that comes with a higher income than remaining a Clerk, and this increased income will gradually result in an increase in their Wealth and consumption demand. Conversely, Aristocrats don’t demote to Laborers because they can't acquire enough goods to sustain their lifestyle - they would only turn to such desperate measures if they become landless (unemployed) and are trying to avoid starvation, or if by some miracle taking on a relatively well-paid Laborer job in a particularly profitable factory would actually yield a greater paycheck than their failing farm provides them with.

In practice this means that it's important in both games to secure your populations’ basic needs to prevent starvation and dissent, followed by appeasing their desire for ever more advanced or exotic goods in larger and larger quantities to increase the size of your economy and power on the world stage. But while reaching this commonly pursued end goal in Victoria 2 often meant pursuing a certain optimal population distribution no matter what else happened throughout the game, the Professions of the Pops you end up with could be vastly different between games in Victoria 3! If you build a colonial plantation economy, your Aristocrats might remain as dominant by endgame as they were at start. If you're a manufacturing powerhouse on the cutting edge of technological progress, your middle strata Pops might come to rival the Capitalist class in wealth and power. If your high taxes are reinvested in vast Institutions your power base might be dominated by Bureaucrats and Academics. If your workers own the means of production, your Laborers might even be wealthier - and consume more luxuries - than your neighbor's Aristocrats.

These possibilities for diverse Pop distributions also result in very different political tendencies in your population, which lead to demand for different kinds of Laws. While in Victoria 2 it’s primarily the rising Consciousness of a greater ratio of more advanced and literate types of Pops that drives a desire for reform in a liberal direction, Victoria 3’s more open-ended consumption model and the diversity of Professions it can create could result in your population having very different political desires by endgame depending on the path you’ve taken. This requires your political machinery to be working in tandem with your economic engine, both to create the right conditions for your Pops and to satisfy their changing desires.

Next week, we will learn more about these desires as Martin introduces us to Political Movements, which themselves are strongly connected to Standard of Living. Until then!
 
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Why not just adjust the values from 1-9? There are 9 conditions for pops. This means that opulent will be in the 80-89 range. You can always add destitute as a condition above starving which would mean that opulent can range from 90-99.
 
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I don't know if I got it quite right, but wouldn't this wealth-consumption relation lead to a seesaw in demands and SoL, in turn leading overall to economic and political instability?

So wealth increases as income exceeds expenses, but once the pop reaches a certain level of wealth, it'll have more refined needs, leading to higher expenses which, if not accompanied with a higher income, will lead this pop to lose wealth.
From that it is apparent that every pop will be going through alternating cycles with more and less refined needs, as wealth increases and then decreases, this will make industries/IG loyalty also alternate between expansion/loyalty and contraction/radicalism.
Correct if I wrong anywhere here.
 
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Is there a numerical value of money a pop needs to save to advance to the next level of wealth? Is it a fixed sum per level, or a geometric progression or something else? Can you also give examples of other factors beyond wealth that can affect standard of living?
 

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That's exactly right! Which means that taboos and obsessions concentrate demand in certain goods but not others, increasing their prices and making things overall more expensive for Pops depending on them.
Would it be possible to completely ban all intoxicants? For example, if a player was playing a Muslim country, and wanted an ideal religious state, would decreasing alcohol consumption just end up increasing opium consumption?

This makes no sense from a religious perspective, since the reason Islam bans alcohol is BECAUSE it's intoxicating, so in that case, any intoxicant would be religiously banned (although they are still consumed by irreligious pops)
 
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Why not just adjust the values from 1-9? There are 9 conditions for pops. This means that opulent will be in the 80-89 range. You can always add destitute as a condition above starving which would mean that opulent can range from 90-99.
We want there to be plenty of room upwards in the system instead of pop incomes simply being wasted if they hit the highest level. SoL 99 is meant to be more or less impossible to reach.
 
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Can we use authority to ban goods entirely, or is it just a push towards using alternatives? Mostly wondering if some combination of that, substitutions, and maybe tariffs would make it possible to make an entirely vegetarian country, or functionally ban opium, and so on.
 
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I believe that in the lower end of SoL, increasing SoL also increases birth rate (you have more kids if you're not starving and such).
Actually wouldn't birth rates be ideally tied to education rather than standard of living (a correlation which most demographers have cited, and I have seen in my own limited experience)
 
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Can we use authority to ban goods entirely, or is it just a push towards using alternatives? Mostly wondering if some combination of that, substitutions, and maybe tariffs would make it possible to make an entirely vegetarian country, or functionally ban opium, and so on.
You can discourage consumption of a good and embargo imports of it, but if there's a local supply you can never eliminate consumption of it entirely, as that isn't a feat even modern day states can achieve.
 
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I used education rather than income, as it is less likely to be skewed by high costs of living.
I can't tell from their explanation if this is broken down per education and then showing per 1,000 women total, or per 1,000 women of that education.

What I mean is, if there were 11,000 total women and 10,000 of them had high school graduates with 1000 births and 1,000 were less than high school education with 1000 births, would the results be 100 (1,000 / 10,000) and 1,000 (1,000 / 1,000), or 11 and 11 (11,000 / 1,000)?

What I mean is, it could be that there are a lot more women with graduate degrees than <high school and so this could be showing education levels, more than births per education. I can't get to the exact data to see.

The general consensus of the time period though is that as SoL went up, people had less children because they didn't need to pump out 10 of them for the sake of having 2 survive to help them around the house / to work, if 70% start to live until 20, then people spent less time and resources on creating/raising 'extras' and used that time/energy/resources on themselves.
 
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Does this mean we can actually get Giffen goods?

Like the classic rising price of grain makes poor people less able to buy meat so they start to buy even more grain.
Sort of, I think, yes! Though if I understand the effect correctly, we've tried to compensate for it by both making staples quite substitutable and by gradually shifting Needs from certain staple goods to other goods as Wealth levels increase, so Pops don't get "stuck" in Wealth ranges where they're paying more for high-demand staple goods than they would if they had the option to switch to lower-demand luxury goods. While cool, this kind of Catch-22 could make a for a pretty annoying puzzle for players to have to solve, particularly since securing staple goods tends to be an early-game problem.

Should certainly be something a modder could simulate by undoing our compensations, though. :p
 
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Another excellent Dev Diary.

I see there is a National Standard of Living number. How is that calculated verses the different stratas? Also what impact does it have on the game?
 
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Actually wouldn't birth rates be ideally tied to education rather than standard of living (a correlation which most demographers have cited, and I have seen in my own limited experience)
Both indicators are valid. However for education the game should track literacy per gender.


 
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Feminism unlocks the possibility of passing these laws, in that there will now be people agitating for more rights, while what happened during the World Wars would be actually passing those laws.
so, for the historical run, do we have to pass the laws, then abolish them, then pass them again? would it be possible to mod in a decision or something that you can take while at war that grants a national spirit or something which lets women work and/or serve in the armed forces temporarily and is automatically turned off after the war but perhaps massively increases the popularity of feminism meaning that nations might have to actually pass the proper laws sometime after?
 
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You've mentioned political movements will be in the next diary and this diary has feminism as a prerequisite for one of the laws. Is feminism in this case a political movement or an innovation? Also, will some nations that didn't really have issues with gender equality to begin with not need feminism for that?
 
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We want there to be plenty of room upwards in the system instead of pop incomes simply being wasted if they hit the highest level. SoL 99 is meant to be more or less impossible to reach.

What is the highest known standard of living that has been achieved without cheating in test matches?
 
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Pops don't have an aversion to working in industries producing a taboo right now. It's an interesting idea though, maybe it's something we can explore at a later point.

Though it's worth noting there were things like Quaker arms dealers, who felt their profession was religiously justified despite being pacifists. Should probably be more flexible than consumption.
 
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While you have the need for heating, what about the need for cooling?

The first air conditioners were invented in 1900, until the 20s/30s being almost exclusively used for industrial purposes.

I think it would be good to have as a late game product, that's mostly used for certain factories. If the price drops enough (or pops are wealthy enough), they might also start buying it.
 
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I don't know if I got it quite right, but wouldn't this wealth-consumption relation lead to a seesaw in demands and SoL, in turn leading overall to economic and political instability?

So wealth increases as income exceeds expenses, but once the pop reaches a certain level of wealth, it'll have more refined needs, leading to higher expenses which, if not accompanied with a higher income, will lead this pop to lose wealth.
From that it is apparent that every pop will be going through alternating cycles with more and less refined needs, as wealth increases and then decreases, this will make industries/IG loyalty also alternate between expansion/loyalty and contraction/radicalism.
Correct if I wrong anywhere here.
Why not just adjust the values from 1-9? There are 9 conditions for pops. This means that opulent will be in the 80-89 range. You can always add destitute as a condition above starving which would mean that opulent can range from 90-99.
To address both these birds with one stone, we need the granularity of 100 levels instead of 10 to ensure that Pop needs don't flip-flop like that but remain at relatively stable Wealth due to market forces. Otherwise the sudden shift from Wealth 4 (40) to Wealth 5 (50) in a large Pop could cause demand to increase so much it devastates their ability to pay for it next week, causing them to drop back down to 4, etc. So the answer to why we don't see see-sawing and instability is because of careful tuning like that.

We want there to be plenty of room upwards in the system instead of pop incomes simply being wasted if they hit the highest level. SoL 99 is meant to be more or less impossible to reach.
Also that.
 
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