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Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #12 - Treasury

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Hello and welcome to another development diary for Victoria 3! Today we’ll be covering a topic that tends to be very much in the mind of governments of all eras: Money! Specifically, we’re going to be talking about income, expenses and debt, and how they function on the national level.

As was mentioned all the way back in Dev Diary #2, Money is one of the principal resources you have to manage in Victoria 3. This in itself is of course nothing new (money of some form playing a role in almost every Grand Strategy game we’ve ever released), but the way money works is a little bit different than what you might be used to.

In most games, money tends to be a resource you accumulate for a specific goal, until you have enough of it to achieve that specific goal. For example, you might want to build a building that costs 100 money, and your monthly income is 10 money. That means in order to build said building, you have to wait for 10 months to accumulate the 100 money needed for the lump sum cost to order the construction of said building.

Now, you might be asking, why am I explaining such a simple and obvious mechanic that undoubtedly every single reader of this dev diary is completely familiar with? The reason for this is because in Victoria 3, there is no such thing as a lump sum cost - instead, it’s all about your weekly balance. At the end of every in-game week, your country’s income and expenses are tallied up and the result is then applied to your Gold Reserve or National Debt. This also means that all forms of expenses, such as construction, also work on a weekly basis - you do not need any cash ‘on hand’ to start construction of a dozen buildings at once, but if you don’t have the revenue to support it you may find yourself quickly going into debt.

America’s lack of an income tax in 1836 sharply limits its potential for government spending
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The Gold Reserve is your country’s national stockpile of cash. If you are free of debt, any money that is left over in the weekly budget after expenses are subtracted is used to increase the Gold Reserve. Conversely, if your expenses exceed your income, this money is taken out of the Gold Reserve to balance the books.

Though it’s certainly never bad in itself to have a sizable Gold Reserve, it isn’t necessarily the best idea to continually run a large budget surplus - each country has a Gold Reserve Limit, which is a ‘soft-cap’ over which each surplus pound has diminishing returns on the Gold Reserve - if you have an enormous stockpile of gold, a surplus of £10k may only increase your stockpile by as little as £2k, meaning that you’ve simply wasted the rest of your money. Hence, a country that finds its gold reserves filling up may want to consider finding a way to reinvest some of that money to avoid such wastage.

The Spanish Gold Reserve has grown to the point where further stockpiling is becoming very inefficient, and they should really try to find better uses for some of that money
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So what if you’re running a deficit and your Gold Reserve has all been tapped? Well, this is when debt comes into play. Beyond that point, each pound spent in excess of your income will result in automatically taking on debt. While this may sound like something that you should avoid at all costs, that isn’t necessarily true.

While you do have to pay interest on your loans, interest rates in Victoria 3 are relatively low, and so long as you avoid hitting your Debt Ceiling, growing your economy through deficit spending can actually be a very valid strategy. This is because the increase in revenues from minting and taxation may very well end up exceeding the interest payments, not to mention the benefits constructing new industries can have for your population.

The Debt Ceiling, unlike the Gold Reserve, is not a soft cap - once you hit it, your country will be in default, which is a terrible state to be in and can only be recovered from if you manage to slash your expenses enough to put your weekly expenses back in the black (or if another country steps in and takes on your debt, which can have its own undesirable outcomes for you… but more on that later). It’s also possible to simply declare bankruptcy, but because the money you are borrowing against is actually the cash reserves of your country’s buildings (which is actually what determines the size of your Debt Ceiling), this will have immensely negative consequences for your domestic industry.

Even though Britain has taken on several million pounds of debt, this isn’t too much of an issue - their advanced economy allows them a high debt ceiling, and the interest payments is only a small fraction of their spending
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To wrap up this Dev Diary, I’m going to briefly touch on the main forms of income and expenditures, though this is by no means an exhaustive list! Some forms of income and expenses (taxes and salaries, specifically) also have a ‘level’ setting, where you can for example squeeze more taxes out of your population at the cost of reduced legitimacy and increased radicalization.

A massive hike of the tax level to the highest level is a sure-fire way to both raise money and create political radicals
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Main Types of Income (not an exhaustive list):
  • Minting: All countries can generate some cash flow by printing or casting new currency in relation to their GDP. Minting provides all countries with some income - particularly those who have domestic Gold Fields - but is in itself insufficient for funding anything but the most minimalist of governments.
  • Income Taxes: A form of taxation collected on income, where a certain % of the wages paid to workers in buildings is paid to the government.
  • Poll Taxes: A form of per-capita taxation where a fixed sum of money is collected on each member of the workforce. Poll Taxes are very regressive since they collect the same amount regardless of income.
  • Land Taxes: A special type of Poll Taxes that are only collected on certain types of Pops, such as Peasants.
  • Consumption Taxes: A tax that is levied directly on a specific good that is consumed by Pops. Levying Consumption Taxes costs Authority.
  • Dividend Taxes: A tax that is applied to dividends paid to Pops with an ownership stake in a Building. Tends to be a very progressive form of taxation, as usually only well-to-do Pops have ownership of buildings.
  • Tariffs: Tariffs are something that we plan to have in the game as a way to profit from goods being exported from your market, but we’re not ready to talk about exactly how this will work yet.

Main Types of Expenses (not an exhaustive list):
  • Government Wages: The salary cost of employing Pops in your Government Buildings such as Government Administrations and Ports.
  • Government Goods: The material costs for your Government Buildings, for example the Paper needed by Government Administrations.
  • Military Wages: The salary costs of Pops serving in your army and navy.
  • Military Goods: The various goods needed by your army and navy, such as Small Arms for Barracks.
  • Subsidies: The cost of subsidizing specific buildings to ensure they remain competitive.
  • Interest: The cost of making interest payments on your loans, if you have any.
  • Construction: The cost of constructing new buildings, both in goods required for the method of construction and wages paid to Pops working in the construction industry.

Well then, that’s all for today. Next week we’re going to be talking about a topic that touches on both economics and politics - Standard of Living. See you then!
 
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Does the game differentiate between debts to your own people (eg Britain's Napoleonic Debt) vs debt to others (Haiti's debt to French banks)? Interest on Britain's debt helped give its capitalists a constant flow of money to invest, while Haiti's debt just went overseas. Haiti's debt also had political consequences if it wasn't paid, while Britain's debt would have internal consequences. If its not in the base game, maybe a thought for an expansion.
As I recall (and this may have changed a lot since this DD!) your basic "treasury in the red" loans are held by your people, and are limited by your buildings' cash reserves. If you default on those loans, your people will take the economic hit (and will not be happy about it!). They were toying with the idea of the building owners getting dividends from your loans; the only problem is that it creates weird incentives and effects sometimes, like your capitalists preferring your government to be heavily in debt when in reality they should be less pleased because of the uncertainty and possibility of default.

On the other hand, rather than go bankrupt you can ask another country to take on your debt. They pay a big wad of cash that makes all your creditors whole, and in return, you owe them an obligation that they can call in to get you to side with them in a diplomatic play or agreement.
 
I'm fairly sure that people do want to hold on to government debt, it's called treasury bonds. I don't see why the pops would not want to have the debt rolled, like actual bonds do work, as that would be the actual way for government to access the pop's money and interest would be money flowing back into the economy, not disappearing into a black hole. I guess weighing incentives and potential default risk would need to be engineered in for pops but it's a lot of work for start.
I can only assume that for the sake of a working basic model it's not the implementation of the money system in the current build of the game, but it would be an interesting add-on later or something that modders could add.
 
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As I recall (and this may have changed a lot since this DD!) your basic "treasury in the red" loans are held by your people, and are limited by your buildings' cash reserves. If you default on those loans, your people will take the economic hit (and will not be happy about it!). They were toying with the idea of the building owners getting dividends from your loans; the only problem is that it creates weird incentives and effects sometimes, like your capitalists preferring your government to be heavily in debt when in reality they should be less pleased because of the uncertainty and possibility of default.

On the other hand, rather than go bankrupt you can ask another country to take on your debt. They pay a big wad of cash that makes all your creditors whole, and in return, you owe them an obligation that they can call in to get you to side with them in a diplomatic play or agreement.

Actually, the capitalists do prefer governments taking debt rather than running balanced budgets even in real life. It would be quite realistic.
 
Are there any way to denounce your debt? For example, after a socialist revolution I doubt the new regime would be willing to pay of the debt of the old regime. Or maybe Haiti would denounce their historical debt to France.
If so, what would the consequences be for country denuoncing their debt?
That was certainly the experience after 1917 in Russia. The French in particular had been actively lending to Russia both during and before the war, but the Soviets did not consider themselves obligated to repay.
 
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