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Tinto Talks #6 - April 3rd, 2024

Welcome to the sixth Tinto Talks, where we talk about the design and features of our not yet announced game, with the codename ‘Project Caesar’.

Hey, before jumping into todays topic, I would like to show something very fresh out of the oven, based on your feedback last week. This is why we are doing these Tinto Talks, to make Project Caesar your game as much as ours...

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Today we will delve into three concepts that are rather new to our games, but first, we’ll talk about locations a bit more.

Not every location on the map is the same, especially not in a game of such scope as Project Caesar. By default, every ownable land location is a rural settlement, but there are two “upgrades” to it that can be done. First, you can find a town in a location, which allows you to increase the population capacity of the location and allows for a completely different set of buildings than a rural settlement. Finally, you can grant city rights to a town, which allows for even further advantages. Now you may wonder, why don’t I make every location into cities? Besides the cost and the population requirement, there is also the drawback that each of them tend to reduce your food production, while also adding more nobles, clergy and lots of burghers to your country.

Stockholm, Dublin and Belgrade are examples of towns at the start of the game, while cities include places like Beijing, Alexandria and Paris.

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Here you can see the control that Sweden currently has.

Control
Every location that you own has a control value, which is primarily determined by the proximity it has to the capital, or another source of authority in your country. There are only a few things that can increase it above the proximity impact, but many things that can decrease it further.

This is probably the most important value you have, as it determines how much value you can get out of a location, as it directly impacts how much you can tax the population in that location, and the amount of levies they will contribute when called. A lack of control, reduces the crown power you gain from its population, while also reduces the potential manpower and sailors you can get, and weakens the market attraction of your own markets, making them likelier to belong to foreign markets if they have too low control.


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Proximity
So what is proximity? It is basically a distance to capital value, where traveling on the open sea is extremely costly. Proximity is costly over land, but along coastlines where you have a high maritime presence you can keep a high proximity much further. Tracing proximity along a major river reduces the proximity cost a fair bit, and if you build a road network that will further reduce the proximity costs.

There are buildings that you can build, like a Bailiff that will act as a smaller proximity source, but that has the slight drawback of adding more nobles to the location, and with a cost in food for them.

Maritime Presence
In every coastal location around your locations, or where you have special buildings, you have a maritime presence. This is slowly built up over time based on your ports and other buildings you have in adjacent locations. Placing a navy in the location helps improve it quicker, but blockades and pirates will decrease it quickly, making it absolutely vital to protect your coastlines in a war, or you’ll suffer the consequences for a long time.

As mentioned earlier, the maritime presence impacts the proximity calculations, but it also impacts the power of your merchants in the market the seazone is a part of.

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Stay tuned, next week we’ll be doing an overview of the economy system, which has quite a lot of new features, as well as features from older games.
 
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Can cities be reduced to towns or be completely wiped out? Can cities be depopulated as in population moving to a more suitable or attractive location?
 
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Does terrain type also affect control--like mountainous locations being more remote having less versus a flatland having more?

What happens if a territory is an exclave? Will it have any control at all without a bailiff or just a big penalty?
 
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So will low control benefit our country in some way like estate wealth etc or are they more like consumer goods in hoi4 which it only acts to balance and nerf the country, like decentralized builds or is high control always good and low control always bad?
 
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Nice! Now that we finally see some of the North: Will Norse mythology exist? Norse paganism. I remember when taking a uni course in Norwegian medieval to modern history that some documents described the farmers in the region of Telemark as unruly, with paganism or folk religion existing in some ways in the period of this game and even perhaps to the 1700s in some elements. They would take care of justice themselves the old ways, as in a case where one farmer had called another farmer's wife ugly or something and then killed him for it. Documents also showed that this region alone had more murders than the rest of Norway alone.

A article by Jørgen Løvland from 1878 describes høysetestolper as shown in the image, poles with pagan symbols that farmers respected and saw as holy long after the age of vikings. Both Telemark and Agder regions had these, as well as figures (Fakser) that are likely tied with paganism used in this region up until 1850, where in Setesdal mid-1800s, people worshipped figures, trees and hills as well. Until they were destroyed if i remember correctly.


With the pop system, I therefore imagine some pops could realistically be be pagan?
 

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Happy to see that our feedback is being taken into account.

Will colonial nations be present in the game? I imagine it will be very difficult to maintain control of locations on different continents.
 
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So there are Dhimmi! Does it mean there are other special estates? Cossacks? Janissaries? Jews (please, at least in Iberia and Poland)?

What about catholics in protestant nations and protestants in catholic nations?
 
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Is Hanseatic League a dynamic name for Lübeck or is it one of those "countries not based on owning land"? i.e. a trade league acting as one country for the purposes of trade?
 
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This is amazing.

Will locations independently develop into towns and cities if certain criteria are met, ala Imperator?

And does this mean that converting a rural location into a town will destroy all the previous investment, as before?

On pops and estates, will all clergy, regardless of actual religion belong to Ulama? All clergy, Christians and Muslims, act effectively as one bloc?
 
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