Stellaris Dev Diary #55 - Unity and Traditions

[Garfazz Steamfang]

When i love the idea i'm more suspicious about the little number of bonuses you seems to have with those traditions. I would have loved to be able to go further in the tradition tree (which would be like a perk tree) for unlocking buildings or special policies... Right now it don't seems to be the case for what we have seen...

It would have been a great opportunity for counter the lack of differencies between ethos with additions of buildings or special policies...

 

[Jularbo Kizn]

Ascension, Stargate here I come

 

[Smiles_]

Interesting. I look forward to picking Stellaris up more so in the new year to see how the all the changes play out...


Smiles

 

[Shock360]

Think of it like this. Unity represents the tradition of your empire changing(either naturally or through propaganda). The more unified your nation(smaller) the quicker it will be for the culture to change. So if you are a peaceful nation and suddenly gain the war like traditions, it's the culture of your nation changing to a more war like approach(idk maybe they started hunting a lot XD)

 

[Kalmar8]

How is it the cost of traditions going to scale? Linear to number of planets? Liner to number of systems? To number of pops? Or maybe nonlinear?

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

How is it the cost of traditions going to scale? Linear to number of planets? Liner to number of systems? To number of pops? Or maybe nonlinear?

How does research scale? I'd imagine they might use a similar system, with the stated multiple factors (unrest, slaves, etc) all contributing alongside stuff like total Pops and planets.

 

[Cubia_]

Well this is certainly more than expected. I wonder how the AI will handle it, since it might give them "personality" layered on top of what we have now.

 

[xHDxzero]

Yes i love these new features butt i have a question.

Will depending on ethos, will hapiness and ethos attractions change? Like i don't thinke my xenohobic lizards would like harmony butt they will probely just accept the xenos pops more because of harmony reduncing xenofobic



Btw sorry for my bad english

 

[Dalinski]

I'm kind of hoping we see digging deeper and orbitals adding more tiles to small empires also being in 1.5. Maybe the same sort of pattern will happen with the planned ring world additions....

 

[Fluxx]

I'm curious but there will be a tradition perk offsetting the cost of slaves, because otherwise this making of slaves increasing the cost of traditions is simply finishing off the ability to play a slave empire, which is already barely viable as is.

The Picture Wiz showed, listed exactly that, so no worries.
Plus i absolutely do not think slave empires are weak, in fact i think it is the strongest ethic choice currently together with spiritualist.
The combination of both allows you to never have ethic divergence, and you just mind control everything into your ethic choices.
That coupled with the fact you can purge any unwanted aliens, including primitive civilizations.
Having a big boost on your mineral planets is just icing on the cake, and revolts are a non-issue.

In regards to that, I truly hope that 'harmony' would relate to xenophilia, since that ethic choice has almost no impact on the gameplay currently compared to spiritulaistic or collectivist.

 

[kourada2]

Now that's a Dev Diary! Finally!

 

[shadowclasper]

This is actually a really neat idea, and if it works as intended, it'll go a long way towards making the whole ethics divergence issues of maintaining large empires really an interesting method. Start small, build tall, then grow wide.

That said....

You may have noticed a certain part of the Traditions screen that I have not yet mentioned in this dev diary. That's because it's actually the subject of the next dev diary! However, since the Christmas holidays are coming up, most of the Stellaris team will be away, so dev diaries will be on hiatus until January 12th. Tune back in then to find out all about the Ascension Perks and how you can use them to build the empire of your dreams.

You are a bad bad man Wiz.

 

[Ashantai]

I have removed some posts which wandered well off topic. Please remain on topic and avoid making personal attacks.

 

[Chief of Staff]

Art.

"Art for art's sake is an empty phrase. Art for the sake of truth, art for the sake of the good and the beautiful, that is the faith I am searching for."

- George Sand

 

[Razzlie]

I definitely approve of the goals of differentiating civilizations more and making tall ones more viable. The Civ5 civics model seems like a good way to do that. But I have a couple of concerns about the new "Unity" resource.

Firstly: the symbol looks too much like physics research. If it's going to be a swirly thing at least make it not blue.

Secondly: why not just use Influence instead of a completely new resource? It seems like a natural thematic place for the purple stuff. (For the record, Culture and Faith in Civ5 being completely unconnected drives me up the wall.)

It's teal, because RGB are already used by Minerals and Science, so all the primary colours are already spent.

 

[General Apocalypse]

The last two deb blogs are a terrible idea.

Way too much politics and too little space. The further you move away from realism and to unstomacheble gimmicks like those in EU IV the more the quality of this game will drop.

We still can't move food between planets , battles are a blob vs blob with no tactics and little strategy , we have no galactic trade system in place and your ideas to develops this great game further are scraps from the EU IV devs ?

This is bloody ridiculous.

 

[Chief of Staff]

The last two deb blogs are a terrible idea.

Way too much politics and too little space. The further you move away from realism and to unstomacheble gimmicks like those in EU IV the more the quality of this game will drop.

We still can't move food between planets , battles are a blob vs blob with no tactics and little strategy , we have no galactic trade system in place and your ideas to develops this great game further are scraps from the EU IV devs ?

This is bloody ridiculous.

Now that is interesting. I never really thought about moving food between planets. I remember watching episodes in a given Star Trek series where the starship in question would be ferrying cargo (most often medicinal supplies, tools, and maybe food?) from a planet to another planet.

With that in mind, perhaps if there is a real food emergency on a planet, one could use their fleets to ferry food to that a planet. But there is a opportunity cost in this.... once you committed a fleet to that planet, you can't use it if you were to need all available ships for either defense or offense.

Just a thought.

 

[Josiah0626]

How about an appearance designer similar to the Sims character creation?

 

[UberWaffe]

[OT]

I still find the idea of using space ships to move millions tons of potato between planets every day bloody ridiculous, but it's going to be that way soon regardless. So complaining about something which already got green light is kinda pointless.

And yet, here we are. *shrug*
[/OT]

 

[sr999]

You may be shocked to find out that there are other features in Stellaris 'ripped off' from other games, for example colony ships.

(The mechanics of Traditions differ from those of social policies, especially where Ascension Perks are involved, but I can understand thinking so from the interface)

Actually I had the opposite views (and preferences!) to the poster to whom you replied. My initial thoughts were ok, so it'll be like idea groups from EU4!

Then I saw that costs go up, so... it might be horrible like Civ5...

I trust it'll be somewhere in between, so that only the auto-haters will be completely turned off the project...

But I really hope that whatever the result it'll somehow be balanced for tall empires!