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Stellaris Dev Diary #30 - Late Game Crises

Hi folks!

We’re getting close to release and there is not much left to talk about that we haven’t already covered. The only remaining major feature is, I believe, the “Late Game Crises” events, and I really don’t want to spoil them, so bear with me if I’m being slightly vague this time…

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Now, last week I talked about how large empires will have to worry about keeping all manner of political Factions in check. This is one of the ways we try to keep the game interesting and challenging past that crucial point when you often tend to lose interest in most strategy games and feel that you’ve already won. It’s not much fun to spend hours of your life mopping up the final resistance just so you’ll get to see that sweet acknowledgement saying “Victory!”. Another way to keep a game interesting is through random occurrences that can upset your plans even at a very late stage. This is where dangerous technologies and late game crises enter the picture.

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Some technologies are clearly marked as being “risky”, for example Robot Workers. Now, you might not always risk having your victory snatched out of your grasp, but in this case at least, you really are gambling with the fate of the galaxy. Just researching such a technology is safe; it’s the actual use of it that carries the danger. For example, the more sentient Robot Pops there are in the galaxy, the higher the risk is that they will come to deem organic life unfit to exist and rise up in a well-planned revolt. Unless crushed quickly and with overwhelming force, such a Machine Empire will quickly get out of hand and threaten all the remaining empires in the galaxy. Sentient robots will out-research and outproduce everyone. If the revolt is centered in a powerful rival empire, you’ll need to think carefully about when you want to intervene; a savvy player might time it just right and be able to mop up both the robots and the remnants of the rival empire. Leave it too long, however, and the robots will overwhelm you.

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The idea is that you will usually see one of the possible late game crises every time you play, but the chances increase the longer it takes you to win. However, it’s very rare to see more than one in the same game. The different threats vary in nature and behaviour, and can offer opportunities as well as posing an enormous danger to your survival. For example, it might be possible to reverse engineer some really unique technologies from these galactic threats, but the geography of the galaxy might also change in your favor…

That’s it for now my friends! Next week, we’ll change tack completely, and do a two-part, in-depth guide for modders.
 
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With robot uprising late game crisis, do they all convert to the mindset of whatever the civilization that started it, or is it a conglomeration of various ethos etc mixed together because species one was collectivist militarist and species 2 was individualist spirtualists and species 3 was materialist pacifists etc etc etc?

Cause I just had a mental chuckle of the AI uniting to overthrow organic life and then having break away factions all over that hate one another and getting into fights which give the organics enough time to defeat them or by the time the organics show up the AI destroyed themselves.

Also, after the robot uprising has begun can we make robots again that aren't infected? Or is it just 'nope you cant have robot pops after this'.
 
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Hey guys, I am interested somethig. Are the Fallen Empires going to help you in Crisis? Like, "don't research this!", "We fought those strange invaders before a few times, we gonna help you only now".
Maybe something like Eldar and Imperium, they hate each other, but the Eldar are way more experienced and know they should help the "lesser" species.
 
djoglloc said:
Hey guys, I am interested somethig. Are the Fallen Empires going to help you in Crisis? Like, "don't research this!", "We fought those strange invaders before a few times, we gonna help you only now".
Maybe something like Eldar and Imperium, they hate each other, but the Eldar are way more experienced and know they should help the "lesser" species.
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Depends on the empire and circumstances. Fallen Empires will definitely fight against the late-game crises, though whether or not they'll join forces with other empires or try it alone is likely up to their ethos. I believe it's possible they may even 'wake up' and cease to be 'fallen' anymore, though it's been a long time since I heard about that and it might not be in anymore. Also, Fanatic Materialist fallen empires consider themselves 'keepers of knowledge'; if you try to research dangerous technology they'll come knocking and tell you to cut it out or else.
 
djoglloc said:
Hey guys, I am interested somethig. Are the Fallen Empires going to help you in Crisis? Like, "don't research this!", "We fought those strange invaders before a few times, we gonna help you only now".
Maybe something like Eldar and Imperium, they hate each other, but the Eldar are way more experienced and know they should help the "lesser" species.
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I think that, if it isn't built in, that would allow a chance for an expanded relationship with the Fallen Empires in the game. Maybe entire DLC's reworking how they interact, giving more spark to these end game juggernauts.
 
I like to think Fallen Empires are actually survivors of previous crisis. Let's say, they survived an ancient robot uprising crysis and now have to deal with the invaders from other dimensions.
Or maybe they already fought and still fight the energy beings (being the only ones that know how to stop them from invading). But once an younger Empire (that never had contact with such things) manages to, somehow, open a way into another dimension, the extra-dimension invasion takes the opportunity to devour all life in the galaxy
 
Safehold said:
If native Americans have tribes, why do you think Mayans and Aztecs did not? Some people survived into slavery, but that's the survivors of course. Just because there are Comanches still around doesn't mean family lines weren't ended permanently. And if you're part of a family, you might be more interested in your family rather than whatever label foreigners call your ethnicity.

To people on an internet forum talking about First World problems though, all of it is merely an abstract argument, not a real life problem to deal with. It's sort of like when ethanol causes corn to go up in price due to corrupt science and politicians. That's not a problem if you live in the First World, you won't starve. If you live in the Third World though... then you might have a problem that's not so abstract.

To people here, entire populations weren't wiped out, because abstract numbers of people you never cared about you just pull as an example, to say "they're still alive".

In general, tribal societies always enslave and assimilate the women and sometimes children of the tribe they conquer. It's only in cases of ethnic purging, based upon some exterior mark, that allows larger populations to be purged without assimilation. Back when the population dna pool was smaller, a lot more lineages would have ended. Some of them were rather isolated as well and never interbred with larger civs.
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I can tell you Nahuas (preferred term when referrng to modern day Aztecs) and Mayans are still pretty much around, they weren't wiped out completely (total anihilation), their societal structures were and they were forced into new societal structures the the Spanish imposed, but plenty of population centers were pretty much left alone as long as they converted to catholicism and even today there's many small towns here in Mexico where the population is composed exclusively of native people who may still speak Nahuatl or a variety of Maya, though almost all will also speak Spanish.
They don't have tribes like native peoples of the US do today because they were integrated into the Spanish empire as they had cities and were settled while the natives in modern day US territory were more nomadic and instead moved or were kicked out of their lands.
We even had a full-blooded Nahua president at some point in the past.
 
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I can tell you Nahuas (preferred term when referrng to modern day Aztecs) and Mayans are still pretty much around, they weren't wiped out completely (total anihilation), their societal structures were and they were forced into new societal structures the the Spanish imposed, but plenty of population centers were pretty much left alone as long as they converted to catholicism and even today there's many small towns here in Mexico where the population is composed exclusively of native people who may still speak Nahuatl or a variety of Maya, though almost all will also speak Spanish.
They don't have tribes like native peoples of the US do today because they were integrated into the Spanish empire as they had cities and were settled while the natives in modern day US territory were more nomadic and instead moved or were kicked out of their lands.
We even had a full-blooded Nahua president at some point in the past.
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A quick Google search reveals that the president you are referring to is Benito Juarez
 
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