Stellaris Dev Diary #201: Galactic Imperium

[TrotBot]

I’m sorry, could you make this simpler? I couldn’t follow what you were saying. It sounded like you were talking about the galactic community, then switched mid-sentence to a federation, then compared America to a monarchy and the soviets to a democracy.
Did I get that right?

yes you did.

i want real workers' democracy in space. that's canon possible in stellaris. i want an ending for that flavour, that goes beyond just passing resolutions and gets into ideological liberation wars.

the galactic empire/america ending doesn't really interest me though i will love killing the emperor.

 

[CaptainGrimlock]

So according to you, the USA, which is more of an oligarchy, is a monarchy.
And the SOVIET FREAKING UNION was a democracy.
wut?

 

[TrotBot]

So according to you, the USA, which is more of an oligarchy, is a monarchy.
And the SOVIET FREAKING UNION was a democracy.
wut?

bro my name is trotbot, i'm a trotskyist. obviously the soviet union was a bonapartist degenerated workers' state. but SPACE soviet union will be a real workers' democracy

 

[CaptainGrimlock]

bro my name is trotbot, i'm a trotskyist. obviously the soviet union was a bonapartist degenerated workers' state. but SPACE soviet union will be a real workers' democracy

Oh the Soviet Union thing was somewhat of a joke.
I’m not always the best with jokes online. Sorry about that.

 

[Scyobi_Empire]

You should be able to refuse dissolving your federation and be kicked from the Empire, which could jumpstart the rebellion.
Also what happens if a Vassal becomes the Imperial Core? Could the overlord just intergrade the Imperial Core?

 

[Swarm lover]

You should be able to refuse dissolving your federation and be kicked from the Empire, which could jumpstart the rebellion.
Also what happens if a Vassal becomes the Imperial Core? Could the overlord just intergrade the Imperial Core?

The first part could be fun but the second part is nearly impossible. To be voted as the custodian you have to be among the galactic council. If you are vassalized i doubt you will have the means of making it into that top category and have the political support to do so. I guess it can happen if all the players conspire to do so and don't act like their empire actually would. But if it does happen i guess the core breaks free of the vassalage automatically. (Maybe they are going to add a restriction to it if you are a vassal.

 

[Foxosaur]

But the Custodian is the good guy ending. It is the Egalitarian ending.

The Egalitarian thing to do after seizing emergency powers to fight a crisis is to put said powers down afterwards. Anything else is not Egalitarian. To believe that all are equal and that all deserve equal rights is to believe that all deserve to choose their own path. To impose a path is not Egalitarian.

This means that gathering everyone into one federation by force, forming a tighter GC in any way other than voting for resolutions?... All of those are not truly Egalitarian paths.

The truest ending for the ideals represented by "Egalitarian" is picking up your sword because it is necessary and putting it down once it is no longer so.

So yeah, if you want an Egalitarian ending, then don't form the Empire. That's all you need to do.

What you actually mean isn't "There's no good guy ending" or "There's no Egalitarian ending". It's "There's no good guy/egalitarian ending that I want."

You make a good point and you are totally right but wouldn’t a Egalitarian based ‘republic’ not value diplomatic weight and other things that contribute to resolutions going one way or another. E.g. one empire vote is just a singular vote and not a ‘score’.

I suppose I’m saying there is room for something truly egalitarian and it wouldn’t need to be vastly different to the GC - just ‘more equal’.

Overall, a GC doesn’t really reflect a successful authoritarian centred galaxy at all - but it also isn't a million miles from it either, its "somewhat democratic" but influenced massively by power and favours - so the Imperium is very much more more interesting as that "latter" bit being the ultimate success of power for a single empire - whether against it or for it (RP or other wise). Still I can see the other persons point that have a "reformed" GC is a possibility that would be fun too. Would a authoritarian empires stand for it? Probably would be forced to adopt new ethics or be removed from it and become outsiders. All fun...^^

 

[Scyobi_Empire]

The first part could be fun but the second part is nearly impossible. To be voted as the custodian you have to be among the galactic council. If you are vassalized i doubt you will have the means of making it into that top category and have the political support to do so. I guess it can happen if all the players conspire to do so and don't act like their empire actually would. But if it does happen i guess the core breaks free of the vassalage automatically. (Maybe they are going to add a restriction to it if you are a vassal.

I'm just entertaining the idea that if the empire is a vassal are they a puppet empire? Are the

You make a good point and you are totally right but wouldn’t a Egalitarian based ‘republic’ not value diplomatic weight and other things that contribute to resolutions going one way or another. E.g. one empire vote is just a singular vote and not a ‘score’.

I suppose I’m saying there is room for something truly egalitarian and it wouldn’t need to be vastly different to the GC - just ‘more equal’.

Overall though, a GC doesn’t really reflect a successful authoritarian centred galaxy at all - but it also isn't a million miles from it either, its "somewhat democratic" but influenced massively by power and favours - so the Imperium is very much more more interesting - whether against it or for it (RP or other wise). Still I can see the other persons point that have a "reformed" GC is a possibility that would be fun ^^

The community seems to be a flawed democracy, everyone can vote but those who are more powerful have stronger votes. A resolution to make the votes go not by Diplo Weight would be interesting.

 

[Pancakelord]

The community seems to be a flawed democracy, everyone can vote but those who are more powerful have stronger votes. A resolution to make the votes go not by Diplo Weight would be interesting.

One country, one vote? Would be an interesting use for vassals. Spin off a crapload of sectors as vassals loyal to you so they'll probably vote your way too - Might give authoritarian and slaver empires a greater voice in the GC, which would be interesting.

 

[PLSKICKME]

#202 when/where? :V

 

[Scyobi_Empire]

#202 when/where? :V

I'll do you one better! Why #202

 

[Fersin II Veros]

One country, one vote? Would be an interesting use for vassals. Spin off a crapload of sectors as vassals loyal to you so they'll probably vote your way too - Might give authoritarian and slaver empires a greater voice in the GC, which would be interesting.

Exactly. Say, as a resolution within GC, which would allow to chose between weight-based and equal voting systems. The more options — the better.

 

[Darrenb209]

I'm just entertaining the idea that if the empire is a vassal are they a puppet empire? Are the

The community seems to be a flawed democracy, everyone can vote but those who are more powerful have stronger votes. A resolution to make the votes go not by Diplo Weight would be interesting.

Hmm. So many ways you could do that. 1 world one vote, x pop x votes, 1 civilization 1 vote... Could even set up a system where civilizations have votes but vassals transfer their vote to their ruler.

To be honest, the Galactic community could use a rework along those lines. It would be nice to get to choose your voting system where each one benefits some civilizations and harms others.

 

[PLSKICKME]

I'll do you one better! Why #202

Wdym Why #202? Todays devdiary is not showing up on the forums, but the past dev diaries all showed up CET 12:00 sharp.

 

[Tyrannical Prince]

Wdym Why #202? Todays devdiary is not showing up on the forums, but the past dev diaries all showed up CET 12:00 sharp.

It's from avengers

 

[Lorenerd11]

So, no new dev diary today?

 

[King Harkinian]

I guess either no dev diary and they forgot to tell us again, or there's something special about today's dev diary, like a release date announcement.

 

[PLSKICKME]

Last week, also did not find the diary for several hours after noon, then at night, it appeared, and was created on CET 12:00 which is odd a little.

 

[Fersin II Veros]

I guess either no dev diary and they forgot to tell us again, or there's something special about today's dev diary, like a release date announcement.

I sincerely hope it's the latter.

 

[RabbaDooDabba]

So, no new dev diary today?

I guess either no dev diary and they forgot to tell us again, or there's something special about today's dev diary, like a release date announcement.

Maybe they are just late... As of now they are just nine minutes late, let's be a little more patient before jumping to any hasty conclusions