Stellaris Dev Diary #201: Galactic Imperium

[Liggi]

So hang on... what happens if you form the Galactic Imperium, and THEN take the "Become the Crisis" perk? Is the perk blocked? Or if you take it, does the Galactic Imperium immediately get dissolved and it returns to being the Galactic Community?

 

[Jorlem]

The emperor will gain a new unique Civic that doesn’t occupy a Civic slot.​

Does the Custodian get anything along these lines at some point, or some other benefit that is lost upon declaring the Empire, or is there no trade-off involved, making it so the Custodian will always want to become the Emperor?

 

[Gothbert]

I do think Galactic Community members should be given a choice on whether to stay or leave this newly formed Galactic Imperium. We get that choice when passing Galactic Resolutions that our empire will be in immediate breach of. This would also make some interesting gameplay. You can form a Galactic Imperium but have half the galaxy refuse to join it. So, the next step is both securing your new empire and conquering the egalitarian rabble who refused to join it.

 

[Ancillary]

A Megacorp that forms the Galactic Imperium gains access to regular civics as well as corporate civics.

I assume there will be a pass through all the regular civics to forbid the ones that don't make sense? I don't imagine it makes sense to allow imperial megacorps to double up on certain civics, like Slavers Guild/Indentured Assets, or adopt Merchant Guilds.

 

[grekulf]

I do think Galactic Community members should be given a choice on whether to stay or leave this newly formed Galactic Imperium. We get that choice when passing Galactic Resolutions that our empire will be in immediate breach of. This would also make some interesting gameplay. You can form a Galactic Imperium but have half the galaxy refuse to join it. So, the next step is both securing your new empire and conquering the egalitarian rabble who refused to join it.

We had it like that initially, but changed it because it seriously reduced the severity of the situation. It's potentially more interesting if you have to deal with it.

 

[Mímisbrunnr]

I like the change on whole but I think the Imperium should start with dictatorial authority by default (unless the founder was a monarchy in advance). Adding a hereditary monarchy should be something that has to be passed in the galactic senate as another power grab

@grekulf

I really would agree with this. Establishing the Imperium is already a huge jump, but its a an bigger jump from saying "I should be made Galactic Emperor" to "I should be made Galactic Emperor AND all of my descendants (no matter if they are competent" should also be emperors. If we make it Dictatorship as default (unless you are already a hereditary monarchy), then maybe the people of the galaxy would object less if they thought their rulers were going to be selected based on competence or some other non-hereditary system.

So I think it should make you Fanatic Authoritarian DICTATORSHIP unless you're already hereditary, and then you can reform to become hereditary if you want.

 

[xHDxzero]

question wil there be some way to take the title of galatic emperor from the current one? like instead of rebbeling for freedom you can rebel for the right to be emperor?

 

[Zarastro Marchio]

A psionic emperor that pops an entire Prethoryn fleet with the power of his mind and is celebrated as the savior of the galaxy, but in the last ten seconds of the trailer, we find out that that was all a fabrication of the emperors PR intelligence department!

An epic battle in which the custodian megacorp empire defeats the self-appointed crisis and paths the way for sweeping economic reforms to restore the galaxy to its former prosperity. Fast forward 20 years, and the megacorp leader sits in a throne room of a super wealthy looking ecumenopolis, but then the camera swings downward and shows that all the other species of the galaxy have been enslaved and are working in the lower tiers of the ecumenopolis. But then, a barrage of laser beams kills the slave handlers, which is revealed to have come from a member of the former crisis species who leads a multi-species rebel strike team trying to topple the megacorp!

A multi-species coalition fights the self-appointed crisis, talking about their intel reports of the crisis, and wins with heavy casualties. A single, massive battle ship of the coalition fleet survives unscathed and blows up the crisis mothership to the cheers of the other survivors. They're asking the admiral of the coalition ship to pick up their survivors, but the admiral just trains their ship's weapon on them and says, "Submit."

Just a few ideas

The possibilities are endless.

If there happen to be two trailers (or one with two different view points like Utopia) I'd like one showing the Commonwealth of Men taking over the Galaxy to "protect" it, and the second one showing the United Nations of Earth leading the rebellion against the Galactic Empite.

 

[Mímisbrunnr]

question wil there be some way to take the title of galatic emperor from the current one? like instead of rebbeling for freedom you can rebel for the right to be emperor?

That would be interesting. Like Paul Atreides seizing the title of Emperor from Shaddam IV in Dune.

 

[WSC_LU_Artanyx]

What do the council members win for being in the Imperium council? Why would they vote to approve the "Permanent custodian" and "Proclaim imperium" if they dont gain anything

 

[Pale Blue]

We had it like that initially, but changed it because it seriously reduced the severity of the situation. It's potentially more interesting if you have to deal with it.

It wouldnt be so problematic if it wouldnt take hundreds of years to reach a max level federation. If you could rebell and had another max level federation within 10 or 20 years it wouldnt matter that much but you wont. It just erases player progress and you wont be able to restore it to the way it were previously. If i lose even if i win against the Imperium why should i even use the rebel mechanic?

 

[SilentReflection]

What happens when a hive mind or machine intelligence becomes galactic emperor? Is there anything mechanically different from when a regular empire does it? (aside from the obvious being gestalt thing)

 

[Dlin369]

It wouldnt be so problematic if it wouldnt take hundreds of years to reach a max level federation. If you could rebell and had another max level federation within 10 or 20 years it wouldnt matter that much but you wont. It just erases player progress and you wont be able to restore it to the way it were previously. If i lose even if i win against the Imperium why should i even use the rebel mechanic?

Maybe the rebellion can have a bonus to federation cohesion while the Imperium still exists? Like a modifier such as "looming existential threat" that keeps all the disparate rebels together until it's gone, and then slaughter each other afterwards?

 

[jeromedekiller]

Much as I love the idea, I feel like it would be really great if this kind of takeover could be flavoured in different ways depending on what kind of empire takes charge. Turning a spiritual empire into a domineering galactic papacy or a militaristic state turning into a hegemonic military order coercing the galaxy into obedience for its protection. Wouldn't really need a difference in mechanics, just a more fitting culmination of your empire's efforts to get to this point.

 

[Dragatus]

When the Galactic Imperium is created, all federations that were previously in the Galactic Community will be disbanded.

What if I as the new emperor had a federation and worked painstakingly to unlock federation perks?

 

[Mímisbrunnr]

What if I as the new emperor had a federation and worked painstakingly to unlock federation perks?

Would there be a way to roll some aspects of our former federation (if we had one) into our new empire and imperial navy?

 

[SharkyMcSnarkface]

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I've noticed the wording "first". Does this mean that somebody can form a Second Galactic Empire Imperium?

 

[Pale Blue]

Maybe the rebellion can have a bonus to federation cohesion while the Imperium still exists? Like a modifier such as "looming existential threat" that keeps all the disparate rebels together until it's gone, and then slaughter each other afterwards?

This needs to be the case, but you also would need to remove the 10xp per month cap. It is the low xp cap that limits federation growth.

I would like to see the cap removed entirely or be able to adjust it somehow. In my mp games the xp cap is one of the reasons why there often end up two big federation blocks that form pretty early. If a federation would split or form later in the game a federation you will always have a xp disadvantage. It is usally better to stick with the federation you alligned at game start and never betray them. It makes alliances pretty static.

I would prefer a system that allowed federations that formed later to compete eg because they dont have so many different ethics or because they invest more resources/envoys in the federation so they can catch up or surpass the federations that formed earlier.

 

[Mímisbrunnr]

The emperor will gain a new unique Civic that doesn’t occupy a Civic slot.

Wait. To clarify, when you say, "doesn't occupy a civic slot", do you merely mean that it covers its own 1 civic slot cost, so you still get your regular starting 2 + 1 from galactic administration for 3 normal ones total plus this, OR do you mean that you can now run FOUR civics (2 + 1 from galactic admin + 1 from Galactic Sovereign's bonus) PLUS Galactic Sovereign itself as a fifth one?

 

[namewhichisnottakenyet]

What if I as the new emperor had a federation and worked painstakingly to unlock federation perks?

Shouldn't have become emperor then, I guess?

But seriously, though I like the new mechanics, all of this event triggered disbandment and creation of potentially galaxy spanning federations should be adressed with a federation XP catchup mechanic or some other way of saving (a portion of) the disbanded federations' accumulated XP and tiers, otherwise there's no way of reaching level 4 or 5 ever again unless you're willing to play till 2700. Any thoughts on that yet, devs?