Stellaris Dev Diary #160 - Origins Full Reveal

[omega20056]

I kind of wish there more mundane origins, like united by Conquest and things like that.

This is also a missed opportunity. It's so basic that I don't understand why it wasn't considered.

 

[Verx90]

This is also a missed opportunity. It's so basic that I don't understand why it wasn't considered.

because the end result its always the same ? its a form of "peacefull" integration, given by your ethics how it came to be .

 

[metalosse]

I'm rather disapointed. I hoped there would be more standart origins that described how an empire came from several nations to unification. Things like "global conquest" or "religious unification", or "bloody world war that convinced people they should unite".

All those origin are too specifics, and I guess most of my presets empire will have "prosperous unification".

 

[Fermi's_Solution]

A missed opportunity in my view. A lot of people would have used it and I'd have bought the DLC for it alone. I'm going to buy the DLC anyway, but you get my point.

Probably because there's no way to implement a psionic origin without it giving the player the entire psionic ascension wholesale.

Mechanist is different, because the complete synthetic ascension still requires somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 technologies, all of which require linear tech progression down three different trees before converging at Synthetic Personality Matrix. In contrast, psionic ascension begins and ends at Psionic Theory, so anything that boosts the odds of drawing it completes the entire process in one step.

And, as it turns out, having pops with the latent psionic trait boosts your odds for drawing Psionic Theory. So, you know. Problems.

 

[Duuk]

Are habitats going to be buffed to be larger, district-wise?

 

[natevandrake]

what happens to the population of your doomsday planet before it explodes? do they all die or are there events for a mass exodus perhaps?

forced relocation at a cost seems a bit pointless if they know they'll die if they stay

 

[Daoko__]

Oh no! No Psionic origin!?

Oh well at least there'll be mods for that!

But I do love all of these origins!

We should be used to anything Spiritualist-related constantly getting shoved to the side, but it still hurts.

 

[Druski]

I like the idea, but it seems somewhat 'half baked'. I know you are not attempting to balance them against each other, but...maybe you should a little? I mean, I can have a single, inactive gateway that might have zero bearing on the game vs a Gaia/Relic/Ring world start?

If you did want to try to 'balance' origins without having to make them all feel the same, perhaps give the weaker origins give +points to your species traits or whatnot?

Maybe there should be a toggle option to turn origins on/off for competitive or just balanced play? I have the feeling that the AI will be unable to take advantage of some of these.

 

[Janx14]

Probably because there's no way to implement a psionic origin without it giving the player the entire psionic ascension wholesale.

Mechanist is different, because the complete synthetic ascension still requires somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 technologies, all of which require linear tech progression down three different trees before converging at Synthetic Personality Matrix. In contrast, psionic ascension begins and ends at Psionic Theory, so anything that boosts the odds of drawing it completes the entire process in one step.

And, as it turns out, having pops with the latent psionic trait boosts your odds for drawing Psionic Theory. So, you know. Problems.

Even if you hand them the tech they're still better off going synth ascension anyway.

 

[MelkorDarkstar]

May I suggest to give this origin some more teeth? 64 years is way too lenient, and won't lead to a different game experience. Can anyone here honestly say they don't always have 10+ colonies 64 years into the game?

I just broke 10 at 2730.

 

[hfel]

Remnants: Start on a Relic World. (Federations)

Shouldn't this be locked behind Ancient Relics and not Federations?

 

[Soranya]

I am a little bit dissapointed that you can only pick one origin.
While not all of them make sense to be combined i see roughly three to four categories that would eventually make for an interesting combination.

E.g. Ringworld + Doomsday + Federation

categories I would suggest could be:

"Origin" (E.g. Lifeseeded, Syncretic Evolution), Unification (including beeing a hivemind or machine empire) - Diplomatic State ("normal", Vasall, Federation) etc.

Basically i would find it great to be able to combine things as long as they make some sense and are mechanical combinable.

(And Doomsday + Tree of Life would make a really interesting hardcore mode game imho!)

 

[Scottbert]

Coooool!
I'm looking forward to Stellaris again, I just hope I can find the time and that the launcher's added a scrollbar when I do. And I am relieved to see that the Origin system isn't locked behind Federations, although I'll probably get Federations eventually.

I feel like the lost colony concept could do with more variety and options, but that's what mods are for...

 

[Das Ganon]

Robomodding is its own technology, otherwise all robots start without any robomodded traits. Mechanist doesn't need to be any better than it already is.

True, but I was hoping for a visual change, not a trait one.

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

Shouldn't this be locked behind Ancient Relics and not Federations?

Relic Worlds can spawn in the base game. One of them is the First League homeworld whether you own the DLC or not, AFAIK.

 

[Delthor]

Do machine and hive empires only receive the default background and the origins that specifically reference them? Or can we also be a machine empire on a ruined ringworld or a hive empire that's part of a federation? I imagine some things (like mechanist) only make sense with standard empires, but I'm curious what the limits are for the gestalt empires.

 

[Red Earth]

Galactic Doorstep does seem underwhelming, but it would be perfect for my Society of the Holy Wound subversive cult based on the Knock principal from Cultist Simulator. The Knock is the principle that opens doors and unseams barriers.

 

[Pointyearedgit]

Probably because there's no way to implement a psionic origin without it giving the player the entire psionic ascension wholesale.

Mechanist is different, because the complete synthetic ascension still requires somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 technologies, all of which require linear tech progression down three different trees before converging at Synthetic Personality Matrix. In contrast, psionic ascension begins and ends at Psionic Theory, so anything that boosts the odds of drawing it completes the entire process in one step.

And, as it turns out, having pops with the latent psionic trait boosts your odds for drawing Psionic Theory. So, you know. Problems.

Defending mechanist? The civic (now origin) that gives you the most powerful ascension path ridiculously fast along with 2 amazing early game techs FOR FREE? You not only get half the prerequisites for droids, you get double the weight to draw the card! Much of this path is just in the perks, the ascension is entirely optional.

And psionics isn't “complete” when you select transcendence, you have years of accessing the shroud to get it to its full potential. Even if you give a player the psionic theory tech for free, it wouldn’t compete with mechanist.

 

[G S Palmer]

To those worried that all of these will show up equally for AI empires, that's almost certainly not going to happen. Civics currently have weights (with ones like Life-Seeded being very low), so I'm sure Origins will too.

Also, as for the Calamitous Birth origin, I'm pretty sure it won't do away with the colonization phase, and will instead add several clearable pop-blockers on the planets you colonize (probably called Meteorite Fragments or something), given that they previously (either in a DD or on Twitter) mentioned that there was going to be a specific origin that modified Lithoid Monoliths.

 

[Fermi's_Solution]

To those worried that all of these will show up equally for AI empires, that's almost certainly not going to happen. Civics currently have weights (with ones like Life-Seeded being very low), so I'm sure Origins will too.

Also, as for the Calamitous Birth origin, I'm pretty sure it won't do away with the colonization phase, and will instead add several clearable pop-blockers on the planets you colonize (probably called Meteorite Fragments or something), given that they previously (either in a DD or on Twitter) mentioned that there was going to be a specific origin that modified Lithoid Monoliths.

"Modified" is such a vague term. That could be anything from "clear this blocker to make a special 1-pop colony ship" to "this colony ship creates lithoid monoliths where it lands."

And I gotta say, colony ships that cost 1,000 minerals seems a little extreme. Unless we can toss those asteroids at other planets and wipe them out to steal them.