Stellaris Dev Diary #132 - Ecumenopolis and Megastructures

[Spartan878]

OK seeing as machines and hives cannot get these planets (because machine worlds will probability serve as something similar and hives may get their own kind of world) what happens when you take over one of these worlds as ether a Machine Intelligence or a Hive? In addition what happens if you bombard the heck out of one with atomics as a purifier.

 

[CmdrPanorpa]

OK seeing as machines and hives cannot get these planets (because machine worlds will probability serve as something similar and hives may get their own kind of world) what happens when you take over one of these worlds as ether a Machine Intelligence or a Hive? In addition what happens if you bombard the heck out of one with atomics as a purifier.

If you bombard it to death it will probably turn into a tomb world like any other planet does if you bombard it enough. I suppose if you take it over as a machine or gestalt empire you may have to enact a decision to convert it to a world that you can use. I am just guessing though.

 

[Lanrete]

Typical submarine generators use electrolysis, a process which requires water. A submarine, obviously, is surrounded by water, so it's not difficult for one to grab some to electrolyze, and more to desalinate. Both processes require energy input, of course (which a Nuclear submarine has no issues of doing).

"Regenerators" are an entirely different concept in Thermodynamics and usually exist to reduce fuel consumption. In fact, thermodynamic regenerators don't involve chemical processes at all.

>Typical submarine generators use electrolysis, a process which requires water. A submarine, obviously, is surrounded by water, so it's not difficult for one to grab some to electrolyze, and more to desalinate. Both processes require energy input, of course (which a Nuclear submarine has no issues of doing).

So, how does it disproof what I said? As you stated yourself, oxygen can be generated from water. Also, there are other means, like deoxygenating other types of oxids, nuclear fission, ion-construction, etc etc etc. And the oxygen consumed can be regenerated.

>regenerators is an entirely different concept
Well, perhaps we are speaking about different regenerators. The regenerators I speak about are exactly the ones that produce air for consumption.

 

[TomatoJuice]

Hmmm Now I want to make a super Ecumenopolis System.
Getting a systems with many habitable planes (with the help of the Worm). Make every Planet to a Ecumenopolis and use the rest of the Empire to feed the the system with recurrences.

 

[James Fire]

>Typical submarine generators use electrolysis, a process which requires water. A submarine, obviously, is surrounded by water, so it's not difficult for one to grab some to electrolyze, and more to desalinate. Both processes require energy input, of course (which a Nuclear submarine has no issues of doing).

So, how does it disproof what I said? As you stated yourself, oxygen can be generated from water. Also, there are other means, like deoxygenating other types of oxids, nuclear fission, ion-construction, etc etc etc. And the oxygen consumed can be regenerated.

>regenerators is an entirely different concept
Well, perhaps we are speaking about different regenerators. The regenerators I speak about are exactly the ones that produce air for consumption.

What's your point here? What is the endgoal of this argument you're having?

 

[skytta]

First things first, I do like the new Ecumenopolis and the idea behind it, but I don't think it should be an AP.

I know that machine Worlds are something similar already in the game and it also unlocked with an AP. The new Empire size mechanic would allow city planets and there equivalents to be like Titans in the Fleet size mechanic. Something that develop naturally over Time and need a huge infrastructure to maintain.

So my conclusion is please don't hide city planet's behind an AP and the money wall, witch are resources, cap there creation with something different.

 

[James Fire]

First things first, I do like the new Ecumenopolis and the idea behind it, but I don't think it should be an AP.
I know that machine Worlds are something similar already in the game and it also unlocked with an AP. The new Empire size mechanic would allow city planets and there equivalents to be like Titans in the Fleet size mechanic. Something that develop naturals over Time and need a huge infrastructure to maintain.
So my conclusion is please don't hide city planet's behind an AP and the money wall, witch are resources, cap there creation with something different.

An ecumenopolis is not simply a planet wide city. It is changing the planet into a multilayered city, including completely removing any natural environments. Like oceans.

An Ecumenopolis is not a natural progression. It takes a lot of time, resources, and intentional effort to make it happen.

 

[Daoko__]

I will say though that I do love the Ecumenopolis feature, hope they change colours though at the least in accordance to which species/shipset you use.

 

[skytta]

An ecumenopolis is not simply a planet wide city. It is changing the planet into a multilayered city, including completely removing any natural environments. Like oceans.

An Ecumenopolis is not a natural progression. It takes a lot of time, resources, and intentional effort to make it happen.

But it makes economic sense. So if your empire is big enough it is the conclusion of a city wide planet growing even further.

 

[Dead William]

Will there be a megastructure for food as well?

 

[henzington]

Will there be a megastructure for food as well?

Ring world where you can have 50 farming districts

 

[James Fire]

But it makes economic sense. So if your empire is big enough it is the conclusion of a city wide planet growing even further.

No, it doesn't. It is not a natural progression for every planet to become an ecumenopolis.

 

[Yelf]

Wow, Galactic Wonder's getting pretty op. Is there any reason to NOT choice it? Its great for any playthrough...

 

[skytta]

No, it doesn't. It is not a natural progression for every planet to become an ecumenopolis.

That is not the argument I am making. I said that there should be a cap on ecumenopolies and my fear is that with only walling this feature behind an AP there will be exaktly has many ecumenopolies as you can have without running out of food.
And in my personal opinion that was not the idea behind it.

 

[James Fire]

That is not the argument I am making. I said that there should be a cap on ecumenopolies and my fear is that with only walling this feature behind an AP there will be exaktly has many ecumenopolies as you can have without running out of food.

Why does it being behind an AP mean there can't be other limitations?

 

[henzington]

Why does it being behind an AP mean there can't be other limitations?

Because there will probably be cap based on the amount of resources needed to maintain the large population.

 

[James Fire]

Because there will probably be cap based on the amount of resources needed to maintain the large population.

That... is tangential to my question. Are you sure you meant to reply to me?

 

[Calvax]

In addition what happens if you bombard the heck out of one with atomics as a purifier.

A special tomb world, ruined exumenopolis type that gives +10 minerals would be cool. I’m trope terms it would be like the sacking of trantor in Asimov’s foundation series (wherein a city planet starved and later was constantly pilfered for metals).

 

[skytta]

Why does it being behind an AP mean there can't be other limitations?

Did you read of any kind of limitation of this featur in the Dev Diary besides the AP and PoP resource consumtion. I didn't. I wanted only to present an alternativ to limiting ecumenopolies on a Galaxy wide scale without limiting this kind of featur to only the players who picked the AP.
When you don't think it is a viable option, shur bring me an counterargument to discredit my proposial. But with argument that meakes play mechanicle sense.

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

Did you read of any kind of limitation of this featur in the Dev Diary besides the AP and PoP resource consumtion. I didn't. I wanted only to present an alternativ to limiting ecumenopolies on a Galaxy wide scale without limiting this kind of featur to only the players who picked the AP.
When you don't think it is a viable option, shur bring me an counterargument to discredit my proposial. But with argument that meakes play mechanicle sense.

Whats wrong with it being gated behind a perk?