Stellaris Dev Diary #129 - Tradition Updates

[JosunUrashima]

The Finisher effect for Prosperity seems kind of... meh?

Also, what about the varients that come with some of the ethics?

Subjugation is no longer locked behind Domination.

THANK GOD!

 

[Etrutian]

Can we look at revisiting 'Colonization Fever'.

This is the weakest investment in Stellaris.

 

[Tavior]

Can we look at revisiting 'Colonization Fever'.

This is the weakest investment in Stellaris.

I had to double check to see what you meant by that.

Given that we have far more population at game start and planet late-game can hold far more than current 2.1 tile system. I agree with you.

 

[Magnavier]

In a earlier dev diary (the one about trade routes) it has been mentioned that pirates will be able to pillage trade routes. In continuity to that my question is: will normal empires be able to raid other empires trade routes? Example: I would raid the trade routes of my unfriendly neighbor.
If this is not a thing, I think that would be a nice functionality.

 

[John Rusher]

+1 pop is actualy quite good imo, it increases production of your planet right away.

 

[James Fire]

+1 pop is actualy quite good imo, it increases production of your planet right away.

Yeah, but it does that in the current system too. The question is whether it has the same value compared to max pops in the current vs the new.

 

[smile444]

i don't like the flavor text for the judge dread referencing tradition that reduce crime : what if i want to roleplay a democratic liberal society ?

 

[Tavior]

+1 pop is actualy quite good imo, it increases production of your planet right away.

That would have been still good if you could only ever at max have 25 population. But with 2.2 that is changing.

Now there are teaser out there of ringworld with enough housing for triple digit population (per section and based on number that aren't finalized).

Also, you start with 26 population on homeworld for 2.2 not the current number you start with in 2.1 which is far less. So you need to boost it from one to remain competitive or change it to something else worthwhile taking.

 

[Avil]

I'm not sure, how to feel about new traditions. On one side, they're no clear "opener" traditions any more. On another, it feels like they're all "just small numbers" now, and differ little.

One clear issue is left, though.
Leader level cap bonuses
While admirals gain XP in rapid rate, governors, and especially ruler, require AGES to get a level cap. Even immortal rulers require you to keep them from the start of the game until late game, and even then they still can't reach level 8-9, even if it's possible.
What the point of increased level caps if your rulers and governors have to live hundreds of years? Maybe with increased cap they also should get XP speed?

 

[WhiteKyubey]

i don't like the flavor text for the judge dread referencing tradition that reduce crime : what if i want to roleplay a democratic liberal society ?

Looks like you have to accept that Judge Dread is better in stopping crime then any democratic system! At least 20% better!

But seriously:
1) 100% happy pops produce no crime, so you totally can build egalitarian utopia for them
2) They say you will not be able to finish all traditions in reasonable time in 2.2, so save domination for last
3) Just mod some other text. A lot of people are going to make mods like that.

 

[Orphalesion]

3) Just mod some other text. A lot of people are going to make mods like that.

Won't just have to an alternate text, but an alternate name for enforcers as well. What "egalitarian" thing would even be used in place of Enforcers that reduces crime? Neighbourhood Watches? Social Workers?

 

[Tyrax Lightning]

Won't just have to an alternate text, but an alternate name for enforcers as well. What "egalitarian" thing would even be used in place of Enforcers that reduces crime? Neighborhood Watches? Social Workers?

How bout Robocops?

 

[Orphalesion]

How bout Robocops?

But is that egalitarian?

Plus what if it's a spiritual empire as well?

 

[Almond_Brown]

But is that egalitarian?

Plus what if it's a spiritual empire as well?

Then it would be Robocop, Pious V

 

[KubiG37]

On the topic of Too few traditions, I think some could be added simply by breaking down and expanding the current ones.

• There are for example no "Defensive Ideas" / "Offensive Ideas", just general Supremacy.
• Expansion is basically merged with Administration (like EU IV).
• Religion is entirely missing (spiritualist is just a modifier, and there is in fact only 1 religion in entire Galaxy)
• There are no "Weapon focuses", even for Militarists. Everyone can research Lasers and be exactly equally as good with them as anyone else. Neither is there an Armor / vs Shield specialization
• And Diplomacy for non-federation formers is still quite useless, simply because there aren't really other Diplo interactions other than "I want your Planets NOW!! Muhahaha"

 

[Orphalesion]

Then it would be Robocop, Pious V

Just to clarify, on principle I'm not against employing good looking guys in form fitting metal armor as law enforcement, but this whole mandatory mechanization doesn't quite to fit with fanatic egalitarian utopias....

 

[Pointyearedgit]

I'm not sure, how to feel about new traditions. On one side, they're no clear "opener" traditions any more. On another, it feels like they're all "just small numbers" now, and differ little.

One clear issue is left, though.
Leader level cap bonuses
While admirals gain XP in rapid rate, governors, and especially ruler, require AGES to get a level cap. Even immortal rulers require you to keep them from the start of the game until late game, and even then they still can't reach level 8-9, even if it's possible.
What the point of increased level caps if your rulers and governors have to live hundreds of years? Maybe with increased cap they also should get XP speed?

Election based leaders frequently reach the cap. With governors, getting to high level is easy, just build a bunch of stuff and clear blockers. We will see how it works out with the sector system.

 

[Cat_Fuzz]

i don't like the flavor text for the judge dread referencing tradition that reduce crime : what if i want to roleplay a democratic liberal society ?

If you want to roleplay a democratic liberal society, why would you pick the 'domination' tree? It'd be better to rename to 'Imperious' or something.

 

[SnakeInATopHat]

The devs sure are full of themselves.

 

[Masoz]

Basically the bonuses are so negligible that in the early game that you are free to pick whatever you want for the sake of RP because you will see hardly any payoff until late game, but it matters even less then because everyone will have picked up many or all the trees. This was the case anyway for all but discovery and expansion, with a few exceptions like the domination opener which is now moot.

Now I have to ask, if it is pointless in the early game, and made pointless in the late game, then what's the point of this system even existing? I don't know. Maybe it'll actually be super hard to get all the traditions now, but current system is still boring.