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HOI4 Dev Diary - The Baltic States 1/2 and Poland 3/2

Hello and welcome to another dev diary for the Barbarossa patch! Today I’m back with you to talk about not one, not two, but three new focus trees coming with the upcoming expansion: Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia!
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The Baltic States were in a difficult position in the build-up to world war 2; only recently liberated from Russian and German rule and less than 20 years on from a bloody struggle against both imperialist powers. In the 30s, each of the states had established authoritarian rule in fear of German and Soviet invasions, and a player hoping to survive as a Baltic state must take some extreme measures to overcome these overwhelming odds...

The Baltic States, like the Chinese, will share some branches of their focus tree while other branches will be unique to each country. This week I am going to talk about the shared branches; the industrial branch and the communist political branch.
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Starting up with the industrial branch, each Baltic state was in something of a similar situation economically; relying heavily on foreign investment and equipment for their industry and armed forces. As such, each Baltic state may decide if they wish to put their faith in the democratic nations to supply their economy, or the Axis powers to fuel the war machine.
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The other common issue facing the Baltics was that they had previously been occupied by the Soviets and Germany, and their industry was sorely lacking. So, the Balts can attract workers to their capital and begin their rearmament and develop their research sector.
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Lastly, by modernising their industry, the Baltic states may become much more self-sufficient and end their reliance on foreign powers to fuel their war machine. They may expand raw resource production in their nation, which for Estonia and Latvia means the development of their on-map resources.

Lithuania however was uniquely very reliant on its agriculture, and thus starts the game with a variant of the “Agrarian Society” national spirit which can be slowly turned into a great benefit via their industrial tree.
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Next up, each of the Baltic States had recently endured bloody struggles against the USSR, so popular support for communism was vanishingly low. A Baltic state hoping to overthrow the government and establish an independent communist state must do so through war.
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The Balts can either choose to rely on the Soviet intervention or attempt to reconcile relations with the Baltic lower classes and try to maintain their independence while establishing communism on their own.
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Once the revolution is done and your nation is communist, the player will have the option to re-establish the Lithuania-Belarus SSR. In the case you sided with the Soviets, the USSR will grant you their half of Belarus with the rest coming either through war or the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
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If you are independent however, Belarus must be acquired through adversarial means. The Baltic state must propagandise support for unification in Belarus similar to the Spanish Civil War garrison control system. When time runs out, Belarus will be released and fight a civil war; the victor will be annexed into either the victorious Baltic nation or the USSR.
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The Baltic nation will also be able to try to convert their neighbours to communism through a propaganda war. No matter which path the Baltic player takes to establish socialism across the Baltics; they will be able to form the United Baltic SSR.
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From there, they may use their newfound strength against Scandinavia and Poland and achieve communism across the entire Baltic Sea.
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That’s all for the Baltic States this week, next week I will be talking about the entirely unique political trees for each Baltic state.



Something worth bringing up here is we did make some changes to the Polish tree since we last talked about it. Firstly, I do just want to show off some of the new focus icons we got since I wrote those dev diaries and I feel like our artists have done a really great job. There are more, but I don't want to spoil all of them just yet! ;)
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We originally planned to have Poland get an off-map reactor to essentially get them control of 1 nuke during play as an exile nation. This to reflect their role in the nuclear project, but we were already a bit on the fence on if this was too immersion breaking for the gameplay purpose, and it seemed many of you thought so too so we removed the off-map reactor and moved the focus to the industry branch.
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Next, I managed to find time to implement Karl Albrecht von Habsburg as an option for monarchist Poland. He has his own branch which involves pressing the Habsburg claim on Czechoslovakia.
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Claiming Czechoslovakia uses the same decision system as claiming Lithuania for the Commonwealth branch, and once the two nations are united, the ambition of West-Slavic unification is realised and the new nation may declare itself protector of the western Slavic peoples living in Germany.
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Karl Albrecht I was known for the service he provided to the Polish army, and it’s unlikely that willingness to serve would vanish upon becoming King. So, as Soldier-King, he will gain a plethora of unique personality traits as well as becoming a field marshal.
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With Hungary aligning itself with Poland’s enemies, Karl Albrecht can demand that Horthy step down in favour of Otto von Habsburg and force Hungary down their Habsburg path, diplomatically aligning them with Habsburg Poland.
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Galicia-Lodomeria represented Habsburg rule over Poland and as such, Karl Albrecht may restore the Diet of Galicia which as well as giving the Royal Sejm national spirit, moves the nation’s capital to Krakow. While this centralises the capital between Poland and Czechoslovakia and surrounds the capital in defensible hills, the old Polish capital is also very close to the German border and may prove an easy target…
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I feel I should also clarify the mechanics behind electing a monarch. When the Fulfil the 5th of November Act focus is complete, candidates come forward and present themselves to be King. So while it would make little sense for the regency council to reach out and invite candidates like Pavel Bermondt-Avalov to be King, Pavel is certainly the type to try and present himself for King.
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The final thing I'd like to mention is that during testing we noticed that it was quite a chore to scroll back and forth between the Polish tree with it being so wide, so I implemented a system where the Polish tree automatically compacts itself when you've chosen a political path.
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That’s all for this week, next week we will be covering the paths unique to each Baltic state and for now I’ll leave you with this teaser.
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In 1922 Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Poland signed the Warsaw Accord - also know in Finnish 'reunavaltiosopimus' or in English literally 'a border state treaty'. Particularly due to the Polish motion, this treaty had an intention to create a counter reaction for the German and Soviet economic and political supremacy in the north- and northeastern Europe.

However, this treaty failed as the Finnish Parliament never ratified it and in 1935 Finland ultimately resigned the Warsaw Accord and instead announced supporting neutrality and the Nordic tendency from now on.

So Lithuania isn't Baltic? Joking aside, Finland was called a Baltic state before and after 1922. This treaty has very little to do with this. Anyway, I'll explain the terminology a bit:

To sum it up shortly. The "Baltic states" was a geographical term that denoted countries on the eastern shore of the Baltic sea. It became a geopolitical term after World War 2 and nowadays it is also seen as a cultural/mentality/identity term. That's why a lot of people falsely think that the Estonians are Balts although they're ethnically, culturally, historically and by mentality/identity unrelated to the Balts.

The mental change of the term "Baltic states" during the 20th century is a very interesting process. The modern notion of the 3 countries being "states" leaves an impression that they're somehow so similar and identical to each other that they can be called "states" instead of "countries". Of course anyone familiar with the area knows that the reality couldn't be further from that.

So there being no notion of Finland regarding this term in the game is actually fine as it would not make sense for 95% of people playing HOI 4 as they base their mental image of the area based on the information used nowadays and only a small amount of people very familiar with 20th century mental geography and geopolitics would understand why Finland would be tied to the other Baltic countries.

This topic isn't really crucial enough for any changes to be necessary.
 
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Finland was called a Baltic state before and after 1922. This treaty has very little to do with this.

I'm very well aware about Finland being the "fourth" Baltic State - particularly considered so by the foreign nations. And this is mainly derived because of the foreign nations knew very little of the Finnish identity if they knew it at all. In 1922 Finland had been independent only five years and I don't think the Finnish national spirits were familiar for many, but rather the European countries thought the Finns incorrectly as Baltic people.

Finland signing the Warsaw Accord indeed very strongly supported the false idea - Finland being one of the Baltic States - as it was signed with three other countries of which two were Baltic nations, or their language is still considered as Baltic or Balto-Slavic.

To sum it up shortly. The "Baltic states" was a geographical term that denoted countries on the eastern shore of the Baltic sea. It became a geopolitical term after World War 2

The assumption, Finland being a Baltic State came to refer as Finland was among the countries at the Baltic Sea that had gained independence from the Russian Empire. But while having and supporting the previous, also Poland should be considered as a Baltic State, further Polish language is part of the Balto-Slavic language family.
 
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I'm very well aware about Finland being the "fourth" Baltic State - particularly considered so by the foreign nations. And this is mainly derived because of the foreign nations knew very little of the Finnish identity if they knew it at all. In 1922 Finland had been independent only five years and I don't think the Finnish national spirits were familiar for many, but rather the European countries thought the Finns incorrectly as Baltic people.
Estonia is called a Baltic state because foreign nations knew and know very little of the Estonian identity if they knew/know it at all. Most European countries thought/think the Estonians incorrectly as Baltic people. This is all identical to to Finland.

But what you don't understand is that in a game like HOI 4, the actual reality has been changed based on the opinions of people in 2020. It doesn't matter that people in pre-WW2 Europe were completely ignorant and wrong about Estonia/Finland and their identity. What matters is what they were seen as, not what they actually are.

Simple example: If Estonia would have remained independent after WW2 then nobody would even think about the Estonians being Baltic and in this alternate historical reality, Paradox would make HOI 4 and Estonia would have very little to do with the actual Baltic nations just because of the mental image of modern Europeans while in reality both Estonian & Finland were seen as Baltics before WW2.

When studying history, the modern narrative has to be thrown out of the head to understand the viewpoints of people actually living during the time period that is studied.

TL;DR Estonia and Finland have never been Baltic nations as "nation" is defined on culture, history, mentality and identity but everybody saw those 2 countries as a part of the Baltics pre-WW2. There's no reason to get worked up about this as no one is saying that Finland is Baltic in the modern era. In a few decades, the same thing that happened to Finland will happen to Estonia. If Estonia has existed even longer as an independent nation, then nobody will call Estonia, Baltic as more people (and foreign governments) will be more knowledgeable about countries which have existed for a while.
 

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Hello and welcome to another dev diary for the Barbarossa patch! Today I’m back with you to talk about not one, not two, but three new focus trees coming with the upcoming expansion: Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia!
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The Baltic States were in a difficult position in the build-up to world war 2; only recently liberated from Russian and German rule and less than 20 years on from a bloody struggle against both imperialist powers. In the 30s, each of the states had established authoritarian rule in fear of German and Soviet invasions, and a player hoping to survive as a Baltic state must take some extreme measures to overcome these overwhelming odds...

The Baltic States, like the Chinese, will share some branches of their focus tree while other branches will be unique to each country. This week I am going to talk about the shared branches; the industrial branch and the communist political branch.
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Starting up with the industrial branch, each Baltic state was in something of a similar situation economically; relying heavily on foreign investment and equipment for their industry and armed forces. As such, each Baltic state may decide if they wish to put their faith in the democratic nations to supply their economy, or the Axis powers to fuel the war machine.
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The other common issue facing the Baltics was that they had previously been occupied by the Soviets and Germany, and their industry was sorely lacking. So, the Balts can attract workers to their capital and begin their rearmament and develop their research sector.
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Lastly, by modernising their industry, the Baltic states may become much more self-sufficient and end their reliance on foreign powers to fuel their war machine. They may expand raw resource production in their nation, which for Estonia and Latvia means the development of their on-map resources.

Lithuania however was uniquely very reliant on its agriculture, and thus starts the game with a variant of the “Agrarian Society” national spirit which can be slowly turned into a great benefit via their industrial tree.View attachment 717420

Next up, each of the Baltic States had recently endured bloody struggles against the USSR, so popular support for communism was vanishingly low. A Baltic state hoping to overthrow the government and establish an independent communist state must do so through war.
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The Balts can either choose to rely on the Soviet intervention or attempt to reconcile relations with the Baltic lower classes and try to maintain their independence while establishing communism on their own.
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Once the revolution is done and your nation is communist, the player will have the option to re-establish the Lithuania-Belarus SSR. In the case you sided with the Soviets, the USSR will grant you their half of Belarus with the rest coming either through war or the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
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If you are independent however, Belarus must be acquired through adversarial means. The Baltic state must propagandise support for unification in Belarus similar to the Spanish Civil War garrison control system. When time runs out, Belarus will be released and fight a civil war; the victor will be annexed into either the victorious Baltic nation or the USSR.
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The Baltic nation will also be able to try to convert their neighbours to communism through a propaganda war. No matter which path the Baltic player takes to establish socialism across the Baltics; they will be able to form the United Baltic SSR.
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From there, they may use their newfound strength against Scandinavia and Poland and achieve communism across the entire Baltic Sea.
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That’s all for the Baltic States this week, next week I will be talking about the entirely unique political trees for each Baltic state.



Something worth bringing up here is we did make some changes to the Polish tree since we last talked about it. Firstly, I do just want to show off some of the new focus icons we got since I wrote those dev diaries and I feel like our artists have done a really great job. There are more, but I don't want to spoil all of them just yet! ;)
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We originally planned to have Poland get an off-map reactor to essentially get them control of 1 nuke during play as an exile nation. This to reflect their role in the nuclear project, but we were already a bit on the fence on if this was too immersion breaking for the gameplay purpose, and it seemed many of you thought so too so we removed the off-map reactor and moved the focus to the industry branch.
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Next, I managed to find time to implement Karl Albrecht von Habsburg as an option for monarchist Poland. He has his own branch which involves pressing the Habsburg claim on Czechoslovakia.
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Claiming Czechoslovakia uses the same decision system as claiming Lithuania for the Commonwealth branch, and once the two nations are united, the ambition of West-Slavic unification is realised and the new nation may declare itself protector of the western Slavic peoples living in Germany.
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Karl Albrecht I was known for the service he provided to the Polish army, and it’s unlikely that willingness to serve would vanish upon becoming King. So, as Soldier-King, he will gain a plethora of unique personality traits as well as becoming a field marshal.
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With Hungary aligning itself with Poland’s enemies, Karl Albrecht can demand that Horthy step down in favour of Otto von Habsburg and force Hungary down their Habsburg path, diplomatically aligning them with Habsburg Poland.
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Galicia-Lodomeria represented Habsburg rule over Poland and as such, Karl Albrecht may restore the Diet of Galicia which as well as giving the Royal Sejm national spirit, moves the nation’s capital to Krakow. While this centralises the capital between Poland and Czechoslovakia and surrounds the capital in defensible hills, the old Polish capital is also very close to the German border and may prove an easy target…
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I feel I should also clarify the mechanics behind electing a monarch. When the Fulfil the 5th of November Act focus is complete, candidates come forward and present themselves to be King. So while it would make little sense for the regency council to reach out and invite candidates like Pavel Bermondt-Avalov to be King, Pavel is certainly the type to try and present himself for King.
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The final thing I'd like to mention is that during testing we noticed that it was quite a chore to scroll back and forth between the Polish tree with it being so wide, so I implemented a system where the Polish tree automatically compacts itself when you've chosen a political path.
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That’s all for this week, next week we will be covering the paths unique to each Baltic state and for now I’ll leave you with this teaser.
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Had some conversations with our Polish beta testers and we determined that "Zapadoslavia" doesn't make sense as a name as a Poland-lead union. So, when you annex Czechoslovakia you will get renamed to something along the lines of "The Kingdom of West Slavia".
that’s a nice name
 

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