HoI4 Dev Diary - Poland Focus Tree Rework Part 2/2

Hello folks and welcome back to the Poland dev-diary extravaganza! This week, I am going to continue covering the changes coming to Poland in 1.11 Barbarossa and the unannounced DLC.Today we’ll be covering the DLC content.
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So, I’m going to start here with something a bunch of you predicted last week; you can indeed play as the Peasants’ Strike! A Poland with ambitions to restore democracy or embrace the communist revolution must first build an organized peasant militia from the rabble of disorganized farmers!
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No matter how many or few states join you in the strike, the rebellious state will be in a delicate balancing act between democrats and socialists. Your first step towards revolution is to sway the Front Morges to take up the peasant’s cause, the Morges being an alliance of political parties supported by a select few Polish generals including Sikorski.
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Each focus you do in this initial block will add 5 support to either communism or democracy, with a total of 50% or more being needed for one to assert dominance over the other and take control of the government.
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Similar to the Spanish Civil War, the Peasants’ Strike will be on a tight schedule, taking up to a year before the revolution happens. Poland will at first be able to add agricultural states to the strike, but by expanding the strike to factory workers, Poland will also be able to bring states from Poland’s industrial heartland into the revolution.
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Along with contesting for popular support, gaining military support will be vital for the movement. Using decisions, certain field marshals and generals will be swayed to your cause and gain the “Peasant Sympathiser” trait, ensuring that they will join your side when the war begins.
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Poland will begin with socialist politician Stanisław Mikołajczyk as country leader, but those who wish to see the return of Wincenty Witos will be able to bring him back to leadership via event.
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Once the civil war is won, Poland will be in a vulnerable state. Recuperating manpower and resources after a civil war will place Poland in a precarious position, so some concessions and outreach for foreign assistance may be needed.
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A communist Poland will have two options: they may be bold and elect an anti-Stalinist candidate as Chairman, or they may elect the Soviet-aligned Władysław Gomułka. However, aligning with the Soviets will come at the cost of ceding Eastern Poland, but will unlock a few focuses for dealing with the USSR.

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With democracy, Poland may take advantage of the Front Morges’ ambitions for closer relations with the French and create the Morges Pact, a sort-of Poland-led Little Entente. Going down this route will allow Poland access to the Between the Seas branch we talked about last week.

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Anti-Soviet communists will be able to denounce both Capitalism and Fascism, diplomatically isolating this people’s republic, but allowing for new expansion options and military bonuses against the empires of this world. In doing so, they will gain a powerful attack and defence bonus against major powers.
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Both democrats and anti-Soviet communists will also be able to declare the destruction of fascism a greater cause than the spread of socialism and align themselves with the British Empire. Doing so will allow Poland to renew her interests in colonialism and attempt to purchase colonies from Allied powers. By officially recognising the Maritime and Colonial League, Poland can purchase Madagascar, Palestine, and more. If any of your purchases are successful, Poland will have somewhere to build their forces in exile, should the front back home fail.

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No matter which option you pick, either conquering or building alliances with the Baltic States will allow you to create a new kind of Commonwealth: the Commonwealth of Socialist Republics.

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Moving on to the next branch, we have the Regency Council: Poland’s attempt to “restore” the monarchy. The Act of the Fifth of November was the promise of the Central Powers to release a Kingdom of Poland from the occupied territories of the Russian Empire, but the Regency Council of the newly formed Kingdom of Poland failed to crown a King before Józef Piłsudski declared the Second Polish Republic.

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With the Regency Council assembled, Poland will be able to choose from one of three claimants, each with their own complete political path. There were countless claimants and candidates for the Polish throne so it was impossible for me to make content for them all, so we have: The Hohenzollern, The Commonwealth Claimant, and the Cossack-King to choose from!

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The Commonwealth Claimant is perhaps the most obvious: Poland’s preferred candidate for King was Friedrich Christian. Christian was preferred due to Poland’s long connection with the houses of Saxony, and with a claimant so supported by the Poles, you are able to claim the throne of Lithuania without the need for warfare.

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Through decisions, Poland can trend monarchist sentiment up in Lithuania, and when it reaches high enough, they may either enter a civil war or peacefully take over the government. When either case has happened, Poland can annex the Lithuanian Kingdom and begin integrating the industries of their two nations and preparing for war with the Soviets and Germans: restoring the old borders of the Commonwealth and then some!

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Poland and Romania enjoyed close relations at the start of HoI’s timeframe, and with the throne of Poland empty, Poland may throw herself into the complex mess of Romanian politics by electing a Romanian King.

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With King Michael on the throne of Poland, the Kingdoms will be able to unite under the right circumstances. Either by Polish interference or by Romania completing “King Michael’s Coup”, Romania and Poland will be united, bringing their armies together and becoming a powerful wall between the Axis and the Comintern.

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This Intermarium nation may seek Balkan Domination and a restoration of Poland-Hungary, or (as with the Commonwealth) it may seek to maintain its alignment with the Allies.

Finally, we have the most unlikely candidate for the throne: Pavel Bermondt-Avalov.
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A warlord, a cossack, and a Georgian Prince, Pavel led an interesting life of conquest and warfare. In the interwar period, Pavel and his Bermontian host invaded Lithuania and Latvia for reasons historians are still unsure of, but his ambition for Baltic domination makes him the ideal candidate for militarizing the Polish state into action and dominating the Baltics and Czechoslovakia.
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When done conquering the Baltics, Pavel will be able to either turn his militarized Polish Kingdom against the Germans and asser Poland’s claims in Silesia and Pomerania or, as a National Socialist, Pavel may wish to seek alignment with the Germans, which brings us on to the fascist branch.
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Poland was home to a multitude of fascist and nationalist movements: the most notable of which are the Endecja (or National Democracy) and the Falanga. The Sanation historically made dealings with both of these groups, and as such, if you want either Endecja or Falanga to take control, you must collaborate with the Sanation until you are able to supplant them.

When either Endecja or Falanga have taken over the government, they will have a choice to either stand firm with Polish nationalism or make concessions to the Germans and attempt to seek an alliance.
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Aligning with the Germans will not place you on equal grounds, and it is not as easy as it once was. Germany will refuse to ally with Poland unless Danzig and Poznan are surrendered and Poland becomes a German subject. Unlike Czechoslovakia though, the Poles will be able to break their shackles and tear the Reich apart from within.

With either Pavel, Piasecki, or Dmowski in control, Poland will be presented with a ladder of focuses enabling them to either gain powerful bonuses from the Germans or plot with the Underground State to overthrow their current masters.
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Going for independence will allow Poland to switch sides and stab Germany in the back, whereas remaining loyal will enable Poland to gain some cores in the USSR in a sort-of reverse Yalta Conference.
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However, a Falanga or Endecja that does not bow to the Germans will be able to lean into the Polish Catholic identity and form the Falangist International: a faction devoted to the perseverance of Falangist ideals.
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Once the Spanish Civil War is done with, if either the Carlists, Nationalists, or Falangists come out on top, Poland will be able to bring them into their own faction and from there, they will be able to expand that faction to other nations where Falangism was present such as: Mexico, the Netherlands, and much of Latin America.

They will have access to decisions to boost fascism in those nations, and with a certain percentage achieved, those nations will be invited to join the Falangist International. These focuses invite multiple nations at once, so the faction can grow very large very quickly.
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Similar to the Sanation path, the Polish fascists must choose between allying with Lithuania or attempting to reclaim the legacy of the Commonwealth, but choose wisely. Without allying Lithuania, this Poland will be unable to progress down the Between the Seas path, severely limiting their faction’s ability to expand.

That’s about it for the political paths, so I’ll wrap this one up by talking about a feature we haven’t touched in quite some time: Governments in Exile.
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Unlike France and the Netherlands, Poland does not by default have a vast colonial empire to which they may retreat when things fall apart back home, so Poland will be entirely reliant on the support and goodwill of their allies and the network of resistance fighters in the Polish Underground State.
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In exile, the Polish government went through a number of Prime Ministers and Presidents before landing on something the Allies were satisfied with. If Poland is following a historical route and is exiled in a Democratic nation like Britain or France, they will demand the resignation of the Sanation leaders, and from there, Poland may pick from one of three new leaders, each with a unique personality enabling them to gain manpower while in exile.

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On top of that, they will gain access to Irena Anders as a political adviser, granting more legitimacy, stability, and exiled manpower.

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In the exile focus tree, Poland can gain a number of offmap factories and dockyards, and bonuses to their ace generation and an increase in special forces cap. Poland will never muster a major army while exiled, but with these bonuses, Poland will still be able to keep fighting on with a small but specialised force.

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Owners of La Resistance will gain access to a slew of agency bonuses including an increase to their spy capacity, free agency upgrades via focus, and the new Warsaw Uprising operation.

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Completing the operation will trigger the Warsaw Uprising sooner than the game mechanics usually allow. With 50% resistance or higher in Polish states, the uprising can be started, but time this well as you can only complete this operation once. A well-timed uprising can shatter the German army and leave them short on supply as they attempt Operation Barbarossa.

Poland was also vital to assisting in decrypting the enigma machine, so they also gain access to the Mastermind Codebreaker advisor: Marian Rejewski.

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The old Cyclometer and Bombe focuses have been moved into the espionage branch, but I noted that without any territory left, a bonus to atomic research was fairly useless to Poland. So, when the Atomic Research focus is done, Poland gains an offmap nuclear reactor that will give roughly one nuke per year... Try not to think too hard about it.

There were a lot of interesting alternate-history scenarios for Poland to explore and new possibilities came up during my research and implementation. Though I didn’t represent everything in game (such as the proposed Japan-Polish alliance), Poland is a treasure-trove of alternate history scenarios if only you can find a way to survive.

That’s all for this week, and that wraps up the two week Poland extravaganza!
 
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For once, I am going to complain.

I don't like this. If I am reading alot of the people here right, alot of the choices you made for the leaders are just wrong. They had so much better options and it's disappointing. I love memey alt-history and plausible alt-history, that much is well known about me... but this is stretching it with the leaders.

The off map nuclear reactor is a little weird too. It should be a bonus to your faction leader being the USA and UK just like you can do with Bulgaria.

I'm not the best in terms of my polish history, so take what I say with a grain of salt...

but the only path for Poland that im even remotely interested in in this particular update is the Polish-Romanian alliance. That's going to be a great fun tree to play with for Monarchy runs.

Overall, kinda disappointed with Poland but I will still buy the DLC as I like the railroads and I eagerly want a better Soviet Tree. Keep it up and please keep what people here have said in mind. :)
Would you buy this Poland rework if it were a separate country pack, like BftB, and there was another DLC with only the gameplay mechanics like supply and land warfare?
 

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I think from Germany's or Soviet's perspective is best if the Polish-Romanian-Hungarian mega kingdom is formed as they can knock them all out in a single blow :)
 
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Why does Poland get a focus granting +2 additional spies? Why does it get an exclusive focus for that at all that others don't get?
That makes for an available total of five. No other nation - even the major powers - can alone get this number.

In effect Poland alone can have as many spies as a spymaster of a whole faction, making it the singlemost powerful espionage power in the world.
 
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sorry if this got said before but wasn't poland's idea to buy Madagascar only so they could kick out their jews and move them there?

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Not sure if someone responded to it yet, however, no, the plan wasn't to create a Jewish colony in Madagascar. It was intended to be a colony of both Poles and Jews, with estimates of less than 2000 families of experienced farmers emigrating there, due to not enough fertile land. The idea of dumping Jews there was never seriously picked up by anyone.
 
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It is true that fascism is not the same as nationalism, but many nationalist / independence movements, especially on the eastern front, did not hesitate to collaborate with fascist powers to advise some autonomy or independence, in addition to being clearly anti-communist / Soviet groups.

and normally these nationalist formations of eastern europe
They had a clearly racist tendency because the end of World War I did not bring peace in most of these countries, but resulted in a succession of civil conflicts where both ideological positions were radicalized, both spectra

Collaboration doesn't mean that you are the same ideology as that group, Soviets promoted nationalism too so are they fascist? Are the western capitalist democracies communist because they collaborated with the Soviet Union? Politics aren't black and white, democracy doesn't always mean a free state for all minorities, especially in this time.
 
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Would you buy this Poland rework if it were a separate country pack, like BftB, and there was another DLC with only the gameplay mechanics like supply and land warfare?

Hmm. If it was just Poland? No. But it's gonna be Finland and Soviet((should be)) so then i would. Im not all that impressed with the Greek tree in BftB but i absolutely LOVE Bulgaria and Turkey is okay. So it depends what Finland and Soviets are like for me.
 
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Collaboration doesn't mean that you are the same ideology as that group, Soviets promoted nationalism too so are they fascist? Are the western capitalist democracies communist because they collaborated with the Soviet Union? Politics aren't black and white, democracy doesn't always mean a free state for all minorities, especially in this time.
We remember many nationalist groups in Eastern Europe had behaviors so violent that the fascist states towards their national minorities, as shown by the famous progomos that existed in most of the countries in that area and that were one of the most violent groups recruited by the SS
 
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We remember many nationalist groups in Eastern Europe had behaviors so violent that the fascist states towards their national minorities, as shown by the famous progomos that existed in most of the countries in that area and that were one of the most violent groups recruited by the SS

Yes, they joined the SS later, after their country was occupied, in history and others didn't. Again, being a nationalist doesn't automatically mean you want to round up people, perform pogroms and establish a totalitarian state, sometimes those people wanted to establish a democracy, that's just how history and politics goes.

Nationalism is a part of fascism, but fascism is not a part of nationalism.

Like I mentioned earlier and others have, the National Party, also called the Endecja movment, at the time was having an identity crisis, the old generation was still democratic while the young generation was starting to mould it into a authoritarian movement after their old movement was banned and many joined the National Party. And before the game started many of young generation, the falangist/fascist part, left to form their own party, the National Radical Camp, due to the frustration of the National Party trying to keep this sub-faction inside the party back. The fascist path should be the National Radical Camp, they have no reason to go back to the party they left. The National Party should have the choice between pushing for democratic government with the old generation or by going for an authoritarian, but not fascist, government with the young generation.
 
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To me it looks like a crate and an arrow so...send supplies?! Maybe to underdeveloped regions? Encircled units?
 
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Not sure if someone responded to it yet, however, no, the plan wasn't to create a Jewish colony in Madagascar. It was intended to be a colony of both Poles and Jews, with estimates of less than 2000 families of experienced farmers emigrating there, due to not enough fertile land. The idea of dumping Jews there was never seriously picked up by anyone.
i saw a quote by josef beck talking about using it as a dumping ground for jews though?
 

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If Poland becomes an SSR it doesn't make sense for them to lose territory honestly. For the anti stalinists, it would make more sense to let them spark the trotsky coup in russia than it would to have them get colonies. As for them surrendering and going into exile there, have a polish ASSR in eastern russia that they retreat to.
 
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To be clear, the Polish plans for Madagascar were not the same as the much more infamous German proposal to send Europe's Jews there- though both schemes had no chance whatsoever of happening.

However, the ide was absolutely grounded in the common belief that there were too many Jews in Poland and a way needed to be found to ship them overseas.

Timothy Snyder's Bloodlands, as I recall, as a good section on interwar Poland's cooperation and training of Zionist groups in the hope that once a homeland was established Polish Jews would leave.

Is it Bloodlands? I know I read it in Snyder.
 
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We recall that the Polish state at that time had a policy of marginalization of rights with respect to Jews or other minorities that was not far from those that the Nazis did in Germany and that has been intentionally covered by wanting to re-enact the Polish regime as an innocent victim of a brutal unjustified aggression
 
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We recall that the Polish state at that time had a policy of marginalization of rights with respect to Jews or other minorities that was not far from those that the Nazis did in Germany and that has been intentionally covered by wanting to re-enact the Polish regime as an innocent victim of a brutal unjustified aggression
Yeah the non stalinist branch should have something related to the bund and resistance.
 
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Then why for some reason Poland can have a communist commonwealth, Polish-Romanian Union, a crazy Russian nazi as a king and all the other stuff? They are simply memes and have no basis in history whatsoever.
PS No Friederich Christian wasn't the preferred candidate of the regency council at all

I would do a bigger analysis or even a medium one like the last time but simply put there is pretty much nothing in this dev diary that isn't wrong in one way or another. And PDX actually wants us to pay for this.....
Paradox wants us to pay for this, however I suspect that the sales on this DLC will be terrible. I and thousands upon thousands of others will not pay for this.

I will personally mod this content out of the game if the need be. We need another developer to create a WW2 grand strategy, because Paradox is shitting the damn bed and leaving a niche open ripe for the taking just like Maxis did with Simcity, when ironically Paradox saved the genre with Cities Skylines.

History repeats itself, I cannot wait for it to do so again. I would much rather Paradox just fix their shit though.
 
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History repeats itself, I cannot wait for it to do so again. I would much rather Paradox just fix their shit though.
Agree with you.

As long as there's only few content designers (6? At least make it 15, company!) and programmers (8? Figures, they should've hire 12 more), either the contents would be reverted to the pre-WtT quality or we'll wait for another year if the devs didn't want to be burdened so much.

Even TNO has 20 artists whilst the devs only has 11. The blame is on the company, not the devs.
 
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