HoI4 Dev Diary - Poland Focus Tree Rework Part 2/2

Hello folks and welcome back to the Poland dev-diary extravaganza! This week, I am going to continue covering the changes coming to Poland in 1.11 Barbarossa and the unannounced DLC.Today we’ll be covering the DLC content.
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So, I’m going to start here with something a bunch of you predicted last week; you can indeed play as the Peasants’ Strike! A Poland with ambitions to restore democracy or embrace the communist revolution must first build an organized peasant militia from the rabble of disorganized farmers!
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No matter how many or few states join you in the strike, the rebellious state will be in a delicate balancing act between democrats and socialists. Your first step towards revolution is to sway the Front Morges to take up the peasant’s cause, the Morges being an alliance of political parties supported by a select few Polish generals including Sikorski.
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Each focus you do in this initial block will add 5 support to either communism or democracy, with a total of 50% or more being needed for one to assert dominance over the other and take control of the government.
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Similar to the Spanish Civil War, the Peasants’ Strike will be on a tight schedule, taking up to a year before the revolution happens. Poland will at first be able to add agricultural states to the strike, but by expanding the strike to factory workers, Poland will also be able to bring states from Poland’s industrial heartland into the revolution.
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Along with contesting for popular support, gaining military support will be vital for the movement. Using decisions, certain field marshals and generals will be swayed to your cause and gain the “Peasant Sympathiser” trait, ensuring that they will join your side when the war begins.
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Poland will begin with socialist politician Stanisław Mikołajczyk as country leader, but those who wish to see the return of Wincenty Witos will be able to bring him back to leadership via event.
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Once the civil war is won, Poland will be in a vulnerable state. Recuperating manpower and resources after a civil war will place Poland in a precarious position, so some concessions and outreach for foreign assistance may be needed.
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A communist Poland will have two options: they may be bold and elect an anti-Stalinist candidate as Chairman, or they may elect the Soviet-aligned Władysław Gomułka. However, aligning with the Soviets will come at the cost of ceding Eastern Poland, but will unlock a few focuses for dealing with the USSR.

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With democracy, Poland may take advantage of the Front Morges’ ambitions for closer relations with the French and create the Morges Pact, a sort-of Poland-led Little Entente. Going down this route will allow Poland access to the Between the Seas branch we talked about last week.

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Anti-Soviet communists will be able to denounce both Capitalism and Fascism, diplomatically isolating this people’s republic, but allowing for new expansion options and military bonuses against the empires of this world. In doing so, they will gain a powerful attack and defence bonus against major powers.
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Both democrats and anti-Soviet communists will also be able to declare the destruction of fascism a greater cause than the spread of socialism and align themselves with the British Empire. Doing so will allow Poland to renew her interests in colonialism and attempt to purchase colonies from Allied powers. By officially recognising the Maritime and Colonial League, Poland can purchase Madagascar, Palestine, and more. If any of your purchases are successful, Poland will have somewhere to build their forces in exile, should the front back home fail.

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No matter which option you pick, either conquering or building alliances with the Baltic States will allow you to create a new kind of Commonwealth: the Commonwealth of Socialist Republics.

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Moving on to the next branch, we have the Regency Council: Poland’s attempt to “restore” the monarchy. The Act of the Fifth of November was the promise of the Central Powers to release a Kingdom of Poland from the occupied territories of the Russian Empire, but the Regency Council of the newly formed Kingdom of Poland failed to crown a King before Józef Piłsudski declared the Second Polish Republic.

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With the Regency Council assembled, Poland will be able to choose from one of three claimants, each with their own complete political path. There were countless claimants and candidates for the Polish throne so it was impossible for me to make content for them all, so we have: The Hohenzollern, The Commonwealth Claimant, and the Cossack-King to choose from!

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The Commonwealth Claimant is perhaps the most obvious: Poland’s preferred candidate for King was Friedrich Christian. Christian was preferred due to Poland’s long connection with the houses of Saxony, and with a claimant so supported by the Poles, you are able to claim the throne of Lithuania without the need for warfare.

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Through decisions, Poland can trend monarchist sentiment up in Lithuania, and when it reaches high enough, they may either enter a civil war or peacefully take over the government. When either case has happened, Poland can annex the Lithuanian Kingdom and begin integrating the industries of their two nations and preparing for war with the Soviets and Germans: restoring the old borders of the Commonwealth and then some!

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Poland and Romania enjoyed close relations at the start of HoI’s timeframe, and with the throne of Poland empty, Poland may throw herself into the complex mess of Romanian politics by electing a Romanian King.

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With King Michael on the throne of Poland, the Kingdoms will be able to unite under the right circumstances. Either by Polish interference or by Romania completing “King Michael’s Coup”, Romania and Poland will be united, bringing their armies together and becoming a powerful wall between the Axis and the Comintern.

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This Intermarium nation may seek Balkan Domination and a restoration of Poland-Hungary, or (as with the Commonwealth) it may seek to maintain its alignment with the Allies.

Finally, we have the most unlikely candidate for the throne: Pavel Bermondt-Avalov.
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A warlord, a cossack, and a Georgian Prince, Pavel led an interesting life of conquest and warfare. In the interwar period, Pavel and his Bermontian host invaded Lithuania and Latvia for reasons historians are still unsure of, but his ambition for Baltic domination makes him the ideal candidate for militarizing the Polish state into action and dominating the Baltics and Czechoslovakia.
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When done conquering the Baltics, Pavel will be able to either turn his militarized Polish Kingdom against the Germans and asser Poland’s claims in Silesia and Pomerania or, as a National Socialist, Pavel may wish to seek alignment with the Germans, which brings us on to the fascist branch.
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Poland was home to a multitude of fascist and nationalist movements: the most notable of which are the Endecja (or National Democracy) and the Falanga. The Sanation historically made dealings with both of these groups, and as such, if you want either Endecja or Falanga to take control, you must collaborate with the Sanation until you are able to supplant them.

When either Endecja or Falanga have taken over the government, they will have a choice to either stand firm with Polish nationalism or make concessions to the Germans and attempt to seek an alliance.
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Aligning with the Germans will not place you on equal grounds, and it is not as easy as it once was. Germany will refuse to ally with Poland unless Danzig and Poznan are surrendered and Poland becomes a German subject. Unlike Czechoslovakia though, the Poles will be able to break their shackles and tear the Reich apart from within.

With either Pavel, Piasecki, or Dmowski in control, Poland will be presented with a ladder of focuses enabling them to either gain powerful bonuses from the Germans or plot with the Underground State to overthrow their current masters.
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Going for independence will allow Poland to switch sides and stab Germany in the back, whereas remaining loyal will enable Poland to gain some cores in the USSR in a sort-of reverse Yalta Conference.
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However, a Falanga or Endecja that does not bow to the Germans will be able to lean into the Polish Catholic identity and form the Falangist International: a faction devoted to the perseverance of Falangist ideals.
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Once the Spanish Civil War is done with, if either the Carlists, Nationalists, or Falangists come out on top, Poland will be able to bring them into their own faction and from there, they will be able to expand that faction to other nations where Falangism was present such as: Mexico, the Netherlands, and much of Latin America.

They will have access to decisions to boost fascism in those nations, and with a certain percentage achieved, those nations will be invited to join the Falangist International. These focuses invite multiple nations at once, so the faction can grow very large very quickly.
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Similar to the Sanation path, the Polish fascists must choose between allying with Lithuania or attempting to reclaim the legacy of the Commonwealth, but choose wisely. Without allying Lithuania, this Poland will be unable to progress down the Between the Seas path, severely limiting their faction’s ability to expand.

That’s about it for the political paths, so I’ll wrap this one up by talking about a feature we haven’t touched in quite some time: Governments in Exile.
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Unlike France and the Netherlands, Poland does not by default have a vast colonial empire to which they may retreat when things fall apart back home, so Poland will be entirely reliant on the support and goodwill of their allies and the network of resistance fighters in the Polish Underground State.
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In exile, the Polish government went through a number of Prime Ministers and Presidents before landing on something the Allies were satisfied with. If Poland is following a historical route and is exiled in a Democratic nation like Britain or France, they will demand the resignation of the Sanation leaders, and from there, Poland may pick from one of three new leaders, each with a unique personality enabling them to gain manpower while in exile.

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On top of that, they will gain access to Irena Anders as a political adviser, granting more legitimacy, stability, and exiled manpower.

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In the exile focus tree, Poland can gain a number of offmap factories and dockyards, and bonuses to their ace generation and an increase in special forces cap. Poland will never muster a major army while exiled, but with these bonuses, Poland will still be able to keep fighting on with a small but specialised force.

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Owners of La Resistance will gain access to a slew of agency bonuses including an increase to their spy capacity, free agency upgrades via focus, and the new Warsaw Uprising operation.

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Completing the operation will trigger the Warsaw Uprising sooner than the game mechanics usually allow. With 50% resistance or higher in Polish states, the uprising can be started, but time this well as you can only complete this operation once. A well-timed uprising can shatter the German army and leave them short on supply as they attempt Operation Barbarossa.

Poland was also vital to assisting in decrypting the enigma machine, so they also gain access to the Mastermind Codebreaker advisor: Marian Rejewski.

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The old Cyclometer and Bombe focuses have been moved into the espionage branch, but I noted that without any territory left, a bonus to atomic research was fairly useless to Poland. So, when the Atomic Research focus is done, Poland gains an offmap nuclear reactor that will give roughly one nuke per year... Try not to think too hard about it.

There were a lot of interesting alternate-history scenarios for Poland to explore and new possibilities came up during my research and implementation. Though I didn’t represent everything in game (such as the proposed Japan-Polish alliance), Poland is a treasure-trove of alternate history scenarios if only you can find a way to survive.

That’s all for this week, and that wraps up the two week Poland extravaganza!
 
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Ах да, теперь я вспоминаю учения советско-германской секретной армии (включая танковое училище) в первые годы Сталина до прихода Гитлера к власти. (Не могу рассказать, как я это запомнил недавно, не заглянув в Google или Википедию, извините)

Надеюсь, мой парень знает об этом и включит это в один из сценариев «а что, если».

Вероятно, может быть вставлен в символический мем «Путь монархиста» или, возможно, на путь консервативной демократической России ...
Сколько места для маневра?
1) Генералы хотят Данциг, Тухачевский и хунта хочет отомстить Польше + Восток.
2) Генералы хотят пивзавод и острова от Японии, Тухачевский и хунта Сахалин + Маньчжурия + порт Артур.
3) Генералы - ребята, мы собираемся вернуть Эльзас +, а также Африку .... Хунта: Хорошо, тогда мы наконец-то вернем проливы и наши Балканы ... ниже Австрии немцев нет.
4) Генералы - дадите хром? Хунта - мы так устали рисовать линкоры, рисуйте за нас.

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Oh, yeah, now i remember that Soviet-German secret army trainings (including a Tank School) in Stalin's early years before Hitler's rise to power. (Can't disclose on how i remember that recently without looking on Google or Wikipedia, sorry)

Hope my guy know about this and incorporate it into one of the what-ifs scenario.

Probably can be inserted in the token meme Monarchist path or in the Conservative Democratic Russia path perhaps.....
How much room to maneuver?
1) The generals want Danzig, Tukhachevsky and the junta wants to take revenge on Poland + east.
2) The generals want the Brewery and the islands from Japan, Tukhachevsky and the junta Sakhalin + Manchuria + the port of Arthur.
3) Generals - guys, we are going to return Alsace + and also Africa .... Junta: Ok, then we will finally return the straits and our Balkans ... there are no Germans below Austria.
4) Generals - will you give chrome? Junta - we are so tired of drawing Battleships, draw for us.

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How much room to maneuver?
1) The generals want Danzig, Tukhachevsky and the junta wants to take revenge on Poland + east.
2) The generals want the Brewery and the islands from Japan, Tukhachevsky and the junta Sakhalin + Manchuria + the port of Arthur.
3) Generals - guys, we are going to return Alsace + and also Africa .... Junta: Ok, then we will finally return the straits and our Balkans ... there are no Germans below Austria.
4) Generals - will you give chrome? Junta - we are so tired of drawing Battleships, draw for us.
Hmm, honestly don't know yet. Russian Monarchist Restoration is already a memepath on its own and adding the Juntas for a new Nonaligned variant is probably on a whole another level.
 

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I understand the pragmatic reasons behind Poland being able to purchase colonies, which is for them to have a place of exile without going to a foreign country, but it really sounds like something from the 19th century and seems ill-fitting. if this gets removed or changed into something else and the nuke is changed to a national modifier of some kind, I think most of the controversy here would be over.

You could also reconsider the addition of the Pavel dude and think about adding the Habsburg monarch in some way.
I agree with the colonies and adding the Habsburg path but I see no reason in removing a path that is already there, I say keep the Pavel path, for me it is the most interesting monarchist one tbh.
 
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I would like to refer to the issue of potential Polish colonies.

Just putting it in the game, I find an interesting part of an interesting in some way possible scenario of an alternative story.


However, I have the impression that a lot of strange information has appeared on this subject.

In the beginning, I would like to point out that I understand the idea of the exclusivity of this for (as I understand it) a democratic path that gives a potentially greater chance of convincing France. The possibilities of doing this as a Sanacja would be more difficult, but considering the options of accessing these focuses (e.g. in a more difficult version) would seem interesting.


As for the colonies themselves. The purpose of the existence of the Maritime and River League (in Polish Liga Morska i Rzeczna) organization is to acquire land for settlement or colonies for Poland. It was moderately popular, ie in 1939, it had almost a million members.


For example, the Polish settlement "Morska Wola"* in Parana, Brazil. It was established in 1934, and the first settlers entered 1935. In 1937 it was inhabited in 50%, and it was about 7,000 hectares as far as I remember.

The actions ended in 1938 as a result of Brazil's disapproval and the lack of public interest in emigrating to Brazil.

This might even appear as a historical interaction with Brazil. If it agreed to further colonization (here we have a transition to an alternative history) and Poland spent, for example, PP on encouraging people, it could, for example, gain Paran (of course by further developing the colony). Of course, Brazil should gain, for example, civilian factories, and Poland should lose.


Liberia. It should be noted that Liberia had some problems with the League of Nations. For this reason (making the long story short) he turned to Poland. Various are given, Janusz Makarczyk, who on April 28, 1934, signed an agreement between the Maritime and Colonial League with the Liberian parliament, claimed that it was about not suspecting our country of colonial ambitions (xD). Another explanation (by Tadeusz Białas) is related to the desire to win the support of Poland because it was Poland that was the neutral rapporteur for the Liberian issue in the League of Nations Council.

There were various plans, actions, and failures. For example, the Polish Society for Trade with West Africa (in Polish Polskie Towarzystwo Handlu z Afryką Zachodnią) was established.

Poland also gained a privileged position in Liberia. There were also allegedly (hardly verifiable) secret clauses on the recruitment of Liberians to the Polish Army in the event of war. Poles have made small investments in Liberia.

The problem is that the Polish press flowed to describe Liberia as practically a Polish colony, the American press began to criticize Polish actions (possibly in connection with American companies operating in Liberia). In 1938, the League actually withdraws from the country.

Again, it's a historical perspective. The open question is what if. For example, if it was decided to invest on a larger scale.

It's probably too much to ask for it, but it's great if Poland had the decision to invest in Liberia.


Madagascar. There were actually Polish expeditions to the island. In fact, Maurice Benyovszky (1746-1786) born in Hungary, and who described himself as a Hungarian and Polish adventurer, was the ruler of part of the island. In fact, the Polish writer and traveler Arkady Fiedler in 1937 wrote a book and, inter alia, he assessed the plan of colonizing Madagascar.

In Polish sources, it is said that a preliminary consent was even made for the takeover of Madagascar by Poland, expressed by the French minister of the colony, M. Moutet. Usually, this version is given by the Polish traveler and military Mieczysław Lepecki.

Then there was talk of a Polish-French condominium.

Okay, but what about the Jews?
Let's start with the Madagascar Plan being a complicated topic. This is not an invention of Poles and not of the II RP. The beginnings date back to the nineteenth century when ideas for the displacement of Jews from Europe appeared.

On the other hand, the Zionists themselves began to strive for the possibility of settlement outside Europe. Here I refer you to the First World Zionist Congress. Theodor Herzl considered the possibility of creating a Jewish state in Madagascar (that was one option). Some Jewish communities, as far as I understand it, considered the island as a temporary option.

After World War I, the topic comes to life in Great Britain. There have been talks about this with France. Madagascar as an alternative to Palestine.

Even France in 1938 spoke of it as an option for various reasons, such as the issue of the Malagasy people.


Of course, Poland also had such plans. In May 1936, Minister Beck even reported that France was positive about sending Jewish immigrants to Guyana, New Caledonia, and Madagascar. It should be noted that on this issue, the World Jewish Congress in the League of Nations was consulted, and Poland also set up Polish-Jewish commissions dealing with the issue of settlement.

Only, in fact, it is an ambiguous matter with many perspectives. Many circles in Poland were more interested in conquering the colony and played the Jewish cause as an option to obtain Madagascar.

I don't want to judge these actions, I wanted to draw a perspective.


Hope it helps someone.

It continues to cheer for the DLC as a whole even despite the issues.


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Photo caption - From our colony "Morska Wola" in Parana.


The Polish magazine Młodzi na Morza!
Pages 14 to 16 are the lists of Brazilian colonists to Poland.
 
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Anti german fascist poland should really claim all lands up to the Elbe not just Silesia and Pommerania.
 
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I'm really glad the monarchist path wasn't forgotten and even better is that it seems to be more of a focus. I just hope to god, that we get military bonuses for Calvery and let us bring back the Winged Hussars! Better yet, make an achievement related to the Sabaton song.
 
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I expected wackiness and yet this managed to disappoint me. I have been pretty vocal about updating the USSR focus tree but now I have changed my mind, I will prefer, if it doesn't get touched. At this rate of meme generator that this game is becoming, I fully expect a Rasputin focus that gives 69 pp and people saying "nice".

There is just no plausible interesting alt-history anywhere just pure fantasies. I have stopped buying dlcs and I won't in future too it seems, was pretty stoked up for the Barbarossa DLC but my hopes have been dashed. I just hope that they don't suddenly change their decision and make these focuses part of the free patch (unlikely but yet I hope it doesn't happen), so that if I come back to this game, I can play without these new focuses.

Finally, all the people who were pretty vocal about updating Italian focus, don't worry guys, you dodged a bullet here.
 
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Mods closed the original thread, so I'll copypaste my suggestion about Polish Falangists influencing Latin America here.

I think the Falangist international influence was a good idea, but should actually belong to Falangist Spain, not Poland. Spain at least had cultural and historical ties with Latin American countries, and I think it's a better idea than "get a cb to invade this random country in South America to restore the Spanish Empire" as it is right now.

Let Falangist Poland influence Central and Eastern Europe in some other way, like promoting Catholic fascist movements (Austria, Croatia, etc) establishing ties with Fascist Italy, and things like that.

:)
 
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I got a cossack king, does it make sense? No. Is it historical? No. Will I enjoy playing it? Yes.
 
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Nationalism doesn't equal fascism, the National Party was primarily focused on democracy however the youth section of the party was more fascist leaning and many actually left to form the falangist group, it should be a choice between going with the old or the young sections ultimately.
It is true that fascism is not the same as nationalism, but many nationalist / independence movements, especially on the eastern front, did not hesitate to collaborate with fascist powers to advise some autonomy or independence, in addition to being clearly anti-communist / Soviet groups.

and normally these nationalist formations of eastern europe
They had a clearly racist tendency because the end of World War I did not bring peace in most of these countries, but resulted in a succession of civil conflicts where both ideological positions were radicalized, both spectra
 
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This looks bad honestly, really unfocused and wide but not deep. The communist tree just looks terrible, not thematic and doesn't make much sense.
Yep, and what moast frustrueiting three is so much they can work with. The Alter history Path looks coll, the idea of bulding socialist version od coomunwelth is greate, but that all that colony agenda is i unnesesery and anti thematic. Also that all Koszutska character schould by optional to Gomulka and Ochab who were more influential at that time and fits perfectly to Independent socialist way. Also surendering option is clearly a way for Bierut not Gomulka.

What more i would swiitch soviet economic aid (they never truly help Poland economicaly) for 5 year plan. Also they may add ORMO focus for aditional menpower and resistance supresion and change colony focus for Revolutionery Avangard for example giving a cores on western provinces (pomerania, salesia, zaolzie) and pupet war goal against nighbering non comunist nations.
 
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Yeah it's a bit silly on paper, but it's mainly there to represent the work of Polish scientists in the field of nuclear research. It's hard to represent that in a way that the player can engage with, so giving them the odd nuclear weapon to drop on Germany seemed like away to gamify that idea and make it fun.
Please throw out that idea and atleast two of the alt history paths on here. I'm pretty sure most of us would prefer bigger and more developed core national focus trees, than having all these stupid meme alternative history paths to go down. Germany doesn't have a single focus to develop Eastern Europe if it beats the USSR but it has three different monarchist paths. Poland's actual normal focus tree is average but there's the option to be communist imperialists in Africa with invisible nukes. I don't mean to be harsh but that's a little stupid. With all the work put into stupid alt history paths on here I doubt we'll even get a Mongolia rework.
 
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For once, I am going to complain.

I don't like this. If I am reading alot of the people here right, alot of the choices you made for the leaders are just wrong. They had so much better options and it's disappointing. I love memey alt-history and plausible alt-history, that much is well known about me... but this is stretching it with the leaders.

The off map nuclear reactor is a little weird too. It should be a bonus to your faction leader being the USA and UK just like you can do with Bulgaria.

I'm not the best in terms of my polish history, so take what I say with a grain of salt...

but the only path for Poland that im even remotely interested in in this particular update is the Polish-Romanian alliance. That's going to be a great fun tree to play with for Monarchy runs.

Overall, kinda disappointed with Poland but I will still buy the DLC as I like the railroads and I eagerly want a better Soviet Tree. Keep it up and please keep what people here have said in mind. :)
 
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