HoI4 Dev Diary - Poland Focus Tree Rework Part 1/2

Hello everybody and welcome to another dev diary for the upcoming Barbarossa patch and yet to be announced DLC. Today I’m going to be talking about the first focus tree which is a rework of Poland.

Poland was first added as a free DLC on release for everyone titled "United and Ready" so as such what you see in this diary will be free for everyone once Barbarossa drops. Next diary we will continue on to cover the DLC parts of the focus tree, because the tree is a bit too large to cover in one go. Enjoy!

Poland is interesting because it is a hugely popular minor (it's roughly as popular as Spain and more popular than Greece). Yet it has a very difficult position sandwiched between Soviet and Germany, which tend to scare people off. Perhaps it's the challenge, or its critical role in WW2, or just the large amount of Polish HOI4 fans, you tell me.

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So, if we load up the tree we can see not only Ignacy Mościcki’s beautiful new portrait, but an entirely new tree.

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Let’s start with the industrial branch. In the old tree, the player would have to dredge through a lot of low-value research bonuses to get just a few extra factories, so many of those old focuses have been expanded with extra factories and bonuses. But, this branch is not just about getting free factories, Poland is on a tight schedule and must use her time well if she has ambitions of outlasting the Reich.

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Many industry focuses for Poland grant powerful but temporary bonuses towards consumer goods and construction speed so time the funding of your armement well to maximize the bonuses you’ll get.

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Poland was a nation with many problems in 1936, and one such problem was that their rail networks were disparate and disconnected; largely due to the fact that Poland had only a few decades prior been part of three different nations. Among many problems this caused for Poland, it also disrupted their agricultural supply networks, which resulted in the Peasant’s Strike of 1937.

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Beginning as mere whispers among the peasantry, if Poland fails to join the supply networks and enact major agricultural reform, they will be faced with a nasty peasant’s strike, damaging their stability, industry, and populace. Though on a tight schedule, Poland may pacify the countryside to delay this uprising, but until reform is enacted, the peasants will remain restless.

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Failing to enact reform entirely will result in a massive populist uprising, and a civil war is the last thing Poland needs. If Poland is to survive the Reich and the USSR, she must be united and ready.

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Moving on to another issue Poland had in the 30s; we have the Free City of Danzig! Danzig/Gdansk was in a unique and complicated position in this period. The city was simultaneously free and owned by no-one, an official Polish protectorate, and an international city partially run by the League of Nations. So representing Danzig/Gdansk as an on-map tag in 36 felt not quite right, so instead the city is demilitarized and Poland is incapable of accessing any of their factories, resources, or manpower.

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When the Nazi party took power in the city, it strangled Polish trade, so Poland begins the game with the “Embargoed Economy” trade law, similar to Undisturbed Isolation in the US but not nearly as harsh. To remove the Embargoed Economy, Poland must either develop a new trade port in Gdynia, gain a new port through conquest, or clamp down on Danzig.

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Attempting to seize control of Danzig will cause the city to begin a resistance, and Poland can fight that resistance through decisions and the usual resistance/compliance mechanics. With enough compliance, Poland will be able to ban the Nazi party and take permanent control of the city; ending the resistance, gaining access to all of Danzig’s resources, manpower, and industry, and finally being able to remove the embargoed economy.

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Failing to bring Danzig under control will result in the city rising up against you and appearing as a tag on the map. Failing to stamp out this uprising in time will cause the city to defect to the Reich.

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When either Gdynia or Danzig has become Poland’s major port, they gain access to the rest of their naval branch, granting dockyards, factories, and research bonuses.

Next up we have the old Prepare for the Next War branch, which has been expanded quite considerably since its original implementation. Poland now has access to Plan East and Plan West, military plans to fight the USSR and the Reich.

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Historically, Poland believed the USSR to be the greater threat and didn’t begin preparing Plan West until just two years before invasion. But, with the power of hindsight, the player can start either plan immediately after completing the Prepare for the Next War focus, and accumulate forts and construction bonuses along the border.

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However, until Plan West has been completed, Plan East cannot be begun and vice versa, but when complete, no further focuses from the branch may be taken.

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Finally, probably the part of the tree that has received the most love; the historical Polish political focus branch. Poland was not the united stable regime we had previously seen on release. Along with impending threats outside their borders, Poland was (like most authoritarian regimes) plagued with infighting and factionalism.

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The dictatorship was divided between the Castle lead by Ignacy Mościcki, the Sanation Right lead by Edward Rydz-Śmigły, and the Sanation Left led by Walery Sławek.

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Each branch of the Sanation has a series of focuses that can be completed for various bonuses and the player does not have to commit to one faction or the other right away. Rather, you can form your government with a multitude of policies from each of the three factions, but the longer you spend forming your government, the less time you have for other things like industry and plans East and West.

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Historical Poland will also have access to the April Constitution, the binding document of the Dictatorship. Though it begins weak, through collaboration with Sanations Left and Right, the Constitution will become a powerful bonus to Poland's politics. With all power consolidated in the President, you'll be able to change your laws and your cabinet with ease.

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Time isn’t your only opponent here though, each of the two factions will expect Mościcki to appease them by enacting their policies and giving them power. Every focus of the Left you complete will make the Right more irritated and vice versa. On top of that, both factions will passively gain irritation over time so spend too long without taking a side and you risk losing both to civil wars.

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Historically, Mościcki maintained control of the government until wartime, at which point it was agreed Śmigły would take control, but Poland failed to last long enough for this to take effect. However, if the player has appointed either Śmigły or Sławek as Chairman of Poland, the Sanation Right/Left can supercede the Castle and become the majority controller of the government. This enables some light alt-history within the historical branch, as well as unlocking new diplomatic options for Poland.

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Available to all three factions of the dictatorship is the Align With the West branch, which allows Poland to join the Allies as they were able to in their old tree.

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In the 30s, Lithuania was technically at war with Poland until the 1938 Polish ultimatum to Lithuania in which Poland demanded an end to the cold war over Vilnius. As well as being able to gain cooperation and eventually an alliance with Lithuania, Poland may also demand Lithuania’s annexation which can result in occupying Lithuania without the need for war, but take this focus with caution as it extends your frontline with the Axis.

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Lastly, the Romanian Bridgehead Strategy has now been moved to the diplomatic branch and allows Poland to bring Romania into the allies. Historically, Poland and Lithuania had an alliance prior to the war, and Poland can pursue this alliance closer, bringing Romanian guns to the Polish front.

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The Sanation Right exclusively has access to Polish Revanchism which has now been expanded into its own full branch. As well as being able to demand the annexation of Lithuania, the Right can pursue both a restored Commonwealth and fulfil the ambition of the Polish–Czechoslovak confederation.

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Lastly, the Sanation Left has access to an expanded Baltic Alliance path, allowing them to gain alliances with the Baltic states, Czechoslovakia, and Romania, and unlocking the newly expanded Between the Seas branch!

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(It's worth mentioning at this point that most focus icons are placeholder)

No matter which path Poland is pursuing, as long as Poland is not in a faction already, they will be able to realize the Intermarium ambition and create an alliance from sea-to-sea! All they need to do is be considered a major or be a faction leader already, and have a large army. At this point, Poland can be considered a real contender for a major alliance of their own.

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The old Between Seas focus was not really “between seas” so much as it was just a Baltic alliance, but now the first nation to be invited to the faction is Romania. After Romania has made their decision, the alliance can spread any direction; north into Scandinavia and the Baltics, and south into the Balkans. Though unlikely, an Italian alliance is not out of the question for Poland here, but some significant change in policy for either nation would be necessary to tempt the Italians away from the Axis.

That’s all for this one, next week we’ll be talking about Poland’s DLC-locked alternate history branches!
 
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We do not intend on using the art assets provided, though we do appreciate the enthusiasm!

We have our own focus icons, idea icons, etc. They just have not been implemented as of yet :)
I always wondered why there was no arts for the jet planes and experimental aircraft. I mean, even rockets had graphics.

Could you explain the reason behind it? And in direct relation to your comment - will it be fixed, please? The game feels “incomplete” without them.
 
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Just a suggestion: Plan West should be on the left, and Plan East should be on the right, to match the respective nations' locations.
 
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This dev diary made me quickly make my AAR game from previous night about nice Poland, not attacking anybody, yet still uniting Central Europe in one faction. As a Pole myself I enjoy the content and discussion here, too! However, there are still concerns. No quotes though, sorry. It would make a post unreadable.

DEBUFF FROM DANZIG - this is a must have!
As it was already mentioned, Poland was economically independent from Danzig already in 1936. It was still lacking dockyards. Also, Danzig remained "free" untill war started, without any interrvention. There was no rush in reality for any decision. So that economic debuff is historically innaccurate. You can replace it with "Why die for Danzig?". Polish diplomacy was crippled, because others were afraid a Polish-German argument about one port would start another war. I believe that diplomatic debuff should make forming Intermarium or joining other factions harder. Especially after Danzig incorporation to Poland. Ceding it to Germans or providing protection of its neutrality should remove the political debuff. If Poland chooses the forceful way, German focus for "Eastern Claims" should not raise a world tension (it makies forcing factions harder, so it is bad for Poland). Maybe a peaculf option should be a condition for invitation to Allies?

Edit: I've changed the idea rather for Great Depression. It is economy debuff just like Embargoed Economy spirit. Explanation here. Also, "Why die for Danzig" idea is already mentioned as an achievement for Germany.

FORMING INTERMARIUM (the English version OK. It is used in another nice strategic game "Realpolitiks")
If you checked my AAR with nice Poland, you would see how I formed the big Intermarium using diplomatic pressure and fake wargoal declarations. I don't find it tricky. Even if governments agree to ally, they still have to convince the people. So I assume they agree Poland will pose a false threat :) I hope those focuses and decisions are not that hard, as my method is able to invite 4 states to faction within one month...

POLAND PREPARED FOR EXILE
Polish constitution had mechanism to cede responsibilities without elections during emergencies, which took place. Polish government in exile was not chosen in elections. It is natural for a nation which was ruled by other for 123 to prepare for such an outcome. Also, those assumptions played a role during final alliance choosing. Poland aligned with Allies, who were stronger on paper. They also choose not to fight Russian invasion, as they believed Russian may fight German sometime in future. Look at outcome: Poland was between 2 enemies wanting to destroy it with the strongest armies in the continent. Yet after war it emerged back on the side of the victors, and even got some clay from Germany to recompensate what was lost in East! I am pretending the whole government in exile mechanic was developed mostly for Poland. But some love for it in focus tree will not hurt, either :)

EDIT dev diary about Poland 2/2 includes a whole branch for government in exile. Some decisions there are easy to justify historically, some are not. Nevertheless, it is great!

NO LOVE FOR BELARUS NOR UKRAINE
Polish officers in September 1939 confirmed, Jewish soldiers had higher morale then Belarusians and Ukrainians. I believe Poland should be able to get buffs for releasing Belarus and Ukraine. As Poland would be a guarantee for their independence, they would be willng to support Poland. Huge national unity boost should be received :)

Also, Polish Peasants' Union took place in East in the screenshots. Unless it is random, such revolt should incorporate national ambitions of locals. Something more like "Ruthenian Union". I also hope they do not incorporate Saint's Mary from Częstochowa in their flag. As a person living in Częstochowa, I see a catholic icon peculiar in flag owned by mostly christian orthodox nation. They would also be suprised.
EDIT: after investigation I must cancel my resoning here. Peasant Strikes is very well prepared from historical point of view!

POLISH INTELLIGENCE
French and UK's intelligence were unable to break Enigma codes. Mostly, because they hired linguists. They gave materials to Polish intelligence. And it was deciphered by Polish mathematicians. It would be nice to see a decryption bonus somewhere in the focus tree. Fun fuct: people responsible for deciphering for those 3 countries were cooperating with each other in German language ;)

SOVIETS SHOULD ENTER
Stalin was waiting with intervention. Maybe for Polish army collapse, maybe to see weak reaction of the West, maybe both. But they entered and it should be pictured in the game somehow. Some great advices were already given, like utilizing border conflicts from Waking the Tiger DLC.

DEBUFF INFANTRY EQUIPMENT
Poland starts in 1936 with semi-automatic rifle in production, even though only about 150 units were produced in reality. Can you make that technology not researched yet for Poland? To keep balance, you can also decrease the equipment shortages.

NO LOVE FOR SLOVAKIA
Poland had an option to protect Slovakia during Munich agreement. If they choose so, may Slovakia finished in the same faction with mutual guarantees, but pissing of Hungarians?

PRUSSIAN QUESTION
From geopolitic point of view, Prussia was the biggest disaster which happened to Europe. It was making too many wars since Medieval times. It took over the German states and forced them to use their perspective. Even in votings fascist were scoring there the most. Therefore Poland, Russia and Lithuania should have an option to core that area after war, if they possess it. The world accepts it's partition between Poland and Russia and look at outcome: Poland and Germans are now friends, just like they were before unifying Germany by Prussia.

Below two are not questions, but clarifications.

ABOUT INCLUDING TKS AND KB UR
Up to war only 280 tanks were made. In 1939 they started changing it's machine gun to Nkm wz.38 FK. As country cannot start with research going on, I found it quite accurate for 1936 scenario, to not have that research available. Maybe only 1939 scenario should be changed to include few brigades.

Regarding UR rifle, it was delivered in conspiracy in small quantities to not trained soldiers. I think the current place in technology tree matches it's place.

ABOUT DEFEND ON BORDER
After Anschluss, after Munich Agreement, after First Vienna Award, Poles were afraid of below scenario
1. Put defence on big rivers
2. Germans enter and take land without fight up to Vistula river
3. Germans say to Allies: "You can cancel your guarantee and make peace. Why should you fight for Poland, if Poland did not fight for itself?"

As you can see, Poland could not abandon defending borders...
 
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100k fairly low number if you compare conscription of Poles.

It is more or less proportional to the number of population (10-15%). You should also keep in mind that Poles didn't trust national minority units, officially barring them from tank divisions, artillery and some other units. They weren't as motivated as Poles, but irl the battles with them haven't shown issues, at least not until Polish collapse and retreat to East.

A lot of it was still result and hope of Normalization policy. It failed. But there were constructive hopes of Poland trying to move again in that way, especially when UNDO saw no alternative - after Holodomor and Stalin's terror they mostly gave up on plans of reunification with rest of Soviet Ukraine under Soviet rule.

What was important is two things:
1) it took UNDO's support to keep order and they had no idea about Soviet plans
2) The defeat of Poland effectively got rid of UNDO and any democrats; local communist party was wiped out few years before by Stalin in Great Purge. OUN as a result became the one and only native Ukrainian party, with only alternative being Soviets. And in 1939-1941 people became disillusioned with Soviets.
3) Uprising is a possibility in that period for more extreme paths. I think that all Poles already chuckled at the civil war map of 1937 uprising too.

The situation of Ukrainians and Belorussians is rather special in HoI4 time. It is both a time of attempt to reapproach and make Poland multiethnic and a time of bitter fight against nations when the former failed. In HoI4 terms, it means mainly OUN blooming after fall of Poland, becoming a major resistance movement.

Yes, Soviets clearly were considering themselves bound by treaties. They only violated them, like 5 times: Poland, Baltic annexation, Finland, Bessarabia and Japan.

Official excuses, are just that, opportunities taken.

Yes, but Poland was the first country to taste that. Unlike us, they had no retrospective knowledge. It is hard to blame them for that.

Yes, and planes will have a field day with it.

Planes are very limited in transport capacity. Especially of those times and among those in service in Poland and Romania.

Well, if Soviets were to help Poland, what do you think the price of that help would be ? :D

Soviets wanted stuff they lost to Poland back. Maybe even Poland itself, since it was part of Russian Empire.

I mean, you are right :D

But I would rather point that they didn't expect country with whom they talked about alliance attempts month or two ago and which didn't have good relations with Germany to factually ally with Germany.

Given that they were uninformed of MR pact, they expected Soviets to stay neutral and oblige to the treaties. Alas, they also had no retrospective knowledge about how Stalin would prefer to conduct foreign policy as they were his first victim.
 
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Something I didn't show here is that Poland has access to Diplomatic Mission decisions which make potential nations more likely to join Poland's faction when the focus is completed, so it removes a lot of the randomness we usually see from these kind of focuses. Do you wanna spend extra time doing diplomatic missions to almost guarantee them joining or would you rather just get it done fast and roll the dice?
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Please give this menu to all countries that have focuses depending on other nations. It is extremely infuriating when you have been playing for several hours and have to restart because a country has refused to cooperate, ruining your run.
 
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Please give this menu to all countries that have focuses depending on other nations.
You have this option already with La Résistance DLC. Your operatives can raise acceptance of your diplomacy. Check my AAR, Nice Poland: how to fix Międzymorze faction with La Résistance.

Also, after look at national spirits, I feel confused.

I understand the new railwork system needs some appreciation, but description is just not true. Food was too cheap for farmers to make living from, it was the problem. Also, it was not caused by infrastructure which was mostly fixed at those times. Developer should make this two things, peasant strike and infrastructure issue, separate.

Regarding railways: Poland inherited 66 types of rails and managed to replace them all by 1937. So a national spirit for divided infrastructure has it's place and is unique to Poland, who was divided between 3 different empires. The national spirit and solving should have in the lore, that most work was already done, only final fixings are necessary. Fix the railway gaps focus should be enable to do it.

The last one, peasant strikes, but no debuffs due to Belarusians, Ukrainians, Jews? The also deserve some attention!
 
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I mean, you are right :D

But I would rather point that they didn't expect country with whom they talked about alliance attempts month or two ago and which didn't have good relations with Germany to factually ally with Germany.

Given that they were uninformed of MR pact, they expected Soviets to stay neutral and oblige to the treaties. Alas, they also had no retrospective knowledge about how Stalin would prefer to conduct foreign policy as they were his first victim.
Actually, that isn't entirely true. Apparently the Allies knew about the secret clause in the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact (or at the very least knew something like a partition was going to happen) before the invasion and decided to not to anything about it. Source: https://history.stackexchange.com/a/20679
 

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Another fundamental factor in the German invasion was that the mobilization of the Polish army was not complete in the first days of that invasion.

In a certain way, the game lacks a partial mobilization system as it was the usual normal in the nations and that there were previous deliveries although I think later it will be implemented sooner or later



which branch would follow the historical path where General Sikorsi will take over the Polish government in exile
 
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Jadwiga II next week?

:D

However, as I wrote recently, Jadwiga Piłsudska is a better candidate for the event flying ace similar to Amelia Earhart ^^

Especially that her sister Wanda is older, so Wanda I xD
Or Wanda II with "Dislikes Germany Too" trait* :>


Speaking of which, I wanted to write something about the monarchy :)

Was the return of the monarchy in the II RP possible?
To the best of my knowledge, there was a small, real chance for it, but at the beginning of the II RP, and actually before it.
From October 27, 1917, to November 14, 1918, there was a Regency Council in Poland. Also, in 1918, Karol Stefan Habsburg appointed the candidate for the king of Poland.

Then it was more difficult, although there were monarchist circles **, although most die permanently in 1930.

In the period we are interested in, we should be most interested in the newspaper entitled Monarchist's Voice (in Polish Głos Monarchisty) and the person of Leszek Gembarzewski, the editor of this magazine and the theorist of monarchism (it even sounds like an advisor skill in hoi4 xD). A person is critical of democracy and the creator of many monarchist studies. Some people describe him as the First Monarchist of the II RP.

In March 1937 he tried to register the Union of Monarchists (in Polish Związek Monarchistów), but the Government Commissariat for the capital city of Warsaw refused to register it, justifying the refusal with the lack of "social benefit".

If the monarchist path is at all considered. I think that some direction could be an event or focus in the focus tree related to the consent to create this Union of Monarchists.


At the same time, in 1937, the Party of National Monarchists, a more nationally radical group, was formed. Again, it is focused on the magazine, the Steel Sword (in Polish Stalowy Miecz) monthly, which in 1938 changed its title to the National Monarchy (in Polish Monarchia Narodowa).

We also have the writer Karol Ludwik Koniński, who in 1936 creates a vision of the Polish Empire (in Polish Cesarstwo Polski) as a multinational and federative empire of the Three Seas: Balticum - Pontus - Adria (I know, ambitiously :D).


In short - poverty. Small groups of activists and the government reluctant to monarchists.


But hey, we are talking about the monarchical path for II RP. So it's time to enter the historic fantasy car and answer the most important question - who can be the king of Poland? :D

Karol Stefan Habsburg not because he is dead in 1933.

The Polish monarchists themselves were very careful in selecting candidates because they didn't want splits in their already small group.

However, as if I were to bet:
Maria Emanuel, Margrave of Meissen (Maria Emanuel Saski) - in 1936 he is ten years old, but it's not that Paradox was bothered by it :D
Anyway, he's the ancestor of the Saxon dynasty. His ancestors in a straight line included, for example, August II the Strong and August III the Saxon. His family didn't support Hitler and they were in prison, but perhaps it could have been done as in the case of the Netherlands and the Kaiser.

Philipp, Landgrave of Hesse - son of the uncrowned king of Finland from 1918, Prince Frederick Charles of Hesse. A good candidate if we need it, as in the focus tree of Hungary's fascist king. He was a huge fan of fascism, a member of the NSDAP, and a friend of Göring (it should be noted, however, that in 1943 he fell into conflict with the Nazis). Why would he be the king of Poland? It's complicated, but it's about the Piast dynasty ***.
Also, he could get a war target on Finland from the focus to reflect his father's heritage :>>>

Archduke Karl Albrecht of Austria (Karol Olbracht Austriacki) - personally my favorite and the son of Karol Stefan Habsburg. The landowner in Poland, from 1920 he served in the Polish Army. In 1939, he volunteered for the Polish Army but won't accept. Historically caught by the Germans, tortured, he refused to sign the German national list, cooperated with Armia Krajowa, and was awarded the Cross of Valour for it.

Strongly connected with Poland, Habsburg, soldier, and Polish patriot. It's hard to find a better candidate in the historical fantasy path :D
And the possibility of rebuilding the Habsburg Empire from Poland or possibly the achievement "I'm a better Habsburg than you" for defeating Austria-Hungary using Poland :>>>


Grand Duchess Maria Kirillovna of Russia (Maria Kiriłłowna Romanova) - we are entering a strong fantasy. From 1815 the Romanowie were called kings of Poland. Nicholas II Romanov held this title until March 1917. The position of the last tsar's cousin, that is, Grand Prince Cyril, was questioned hence his granddaughter, Maria. She had neither succession rights nor family support, but hey! Give her to the throne and I will ask my core for all of Russia xD


And finally, of course, Wanda I or II (Wanda Piłsudska) as an easter egg :D
In fact, there was an idea in the 1920s to coronate Józef Piłsudski as the king of Poland. Although turning his daughter into a queen is pure water fantasy, well, that's not what happened in hoi4.


And I will repeat it again. The monarchy in Poland in 1936 is a strong historical fantasy, so all candidates don't have to be serious, or they are as serious as the chance for a monarchy :>

*
It is of course a reference to the feature of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, but also a reference to Polish folklore.

I mean the legendary princess Wanda (reputedly lived in 8th century Poland), daughter of the equally legendary King Krakus.
In Poland, she is often referred to as Wanda, who didn't want a German (in Polish: Wanda, która nie chciała Niemca).

This is due to the legend saying that she didn't agree to marry the German prince, and this offended invaded Poland. Wanda defended the country and then committed suicide by jumping into the Vistula River so as not to provoke further attacks.

Yes, I know wonderful folklore :D

**
There were some monarchist organizations, such as the Organization of National and Behavior Youth (in Polish Organizacja Młodzieży Narodowo-Zachowawczej) established in 1920, which in 1922 revived (its former president died in the Battle of Warsaw in 1920) as the Monarchist Youth Organization (in Polish Organizacja Młodzieży Monarchistycznej). In 1925 the Monarchist Organization (in Polish Organizacja Monarchistyczna) and the Camp of Polish Monarchists (in Polish Obóz Monarchistów Polskich) are established. In 1926, these unite in the Union of Polish Monarchists (in Polish Zjednoczenie Monarchistów Polskich).

Unfortunately for them, the organization disintegrates soon, because the organization supported the legal government of II RP during the May Coup in 1926.

Then a third organization is created, first as the Monarchist Organization of Landowner? (in Polish Monarchistyczne Organizacja Włościańska), and then, in 1927, as All-state Monarchist Organization (in Polish Monarchistyczna Organizacja Wszechstanowa). The MOW seems to be strong for a while with many rallies, several thousand members among the landowners, etc. But all ends in 1930 where the elections and just over 50,000 votes show the weakness of the movements.

***
Poland had many elective kings, but one of the ideas is to find a monarch who would succeed the typically Polish, famous Piast dynasty.
Designating the heir of the Piasts isn't a small effort. I'm not a specialist for this, so I will use the opinion of Agnieszka Wolnicka, a Polish history popularizer.

It suggests that the legacy from the Legnica-Brzeg Piast line was passed on to Karolina, the sister of the last representative of the family of Jerzy Wilhelm of Legnica, whose descendants were successively representatives of the Holstein, Oettingen, Kaunitz, Metternich, Sandor de Szlavnicza, Metternich again, again Oettingen and finally Ratibor- Corvey.

However, since the aforementioned last Piast Karolina married a representative of a different faith without the consent of her parents, the rights to the throne of the heirs of her older cousin, Dorota Elżbieta, look just as well. It transferred its rights successively to the Nassau family, and from the beginning of the 19th century - to Hessen-Kassel. One of its heirs was Frederick Charles, brother-in-law of Emperor Wilhelm II, and his only son living in 1936 was Philip.
 
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You have this option already with La Résistance DLC. Your operatives can raise acceptance of your diplomacy.
I don't think operatives have any influence on decisions started by focuses. Example: The Hungarians can demand a referendum to unify with Austria. All of the outcomes and their associated chance percentages are listed in the event files and I don't see how spies can influence that.
 
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Apparently the Allies knew about the secret clause in the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact (or at the very least knew something like a partition was going to happen) before the invasion and decided to not to anything about it
That is not entirely true. Allies declared war and French made a failed testing campaign into Ruhry region. Poland fell too fast to receive any help. They were not able to help, especially considering how badly French defense army was beaten in 1940. The in-game reality mirrors ours quite well IMHO.

I don't think operatives have any influence on decisions started by focuses.
Often they can, but indirectly. If you invite Austria and Albania to faction (impossible pre-war without operatives), they deny being assimilated to Germany and Italy. If you keep fascist support in Hungary below 40%, they will not turn fascist after Renounce The Treaty of Trianon focus. Maybe more ways to affect other countries is all you need?

And the possibility of rebuilding the Habsburg Empire from Poland or possibly the achievement "I'm a better Habsburg than you" for defeating Austria-Hungary using Poland :>>>
Wojtek and Habsburg achievement? Wouldn't it make Poland way too cool?

EDIT: change color of Polish faction! It is way too similar to Allies!
 
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also I want to complain about one thing, I know it is stupid but it kind of bothers me, why not use the dotted line between "the castle" and "maintain the dictatorship" focuses as the latter can be accessed trough any of the 3 focuses that are before it, the continuous line overlaying the dotted line feels off...
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also I want to complain about one thing, I know it is stupid but it kind of bothers me, why not use the dotted line between "the castle" and "maintain the dictatorship" focuses as the latter can be accessed trough any of the 3 focuses that are before it, the continuous line overlaying the dotted line feels off...
The solid line means that the Castle focus is required for Maintain the Dictatorship, and the dotted line means that Maintain the Dictatorship also requires either The Left Chairman or Second Man of the State. So you would need to complete two of the focuses to progress down the dictatorship path, not just one.
 
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I always wondered why there was no arts for the jet planes and experimental aircraft. I mean, even rockets had graphics.

Could you explain the reason behind it? And in direct relation to your comment - will it be fixed, please? The game feels “incomplete” without them.
I read once that the missing 2D art for jets and rockets is because they wanted those techs to feel futuristic and mysterious.

Doesn't explain the lack of 3D models, though ;) . Possibly it's because most players stop playing before unlocking jets, so the devs decided to prioritize 3D models people are going to see a lot more often? It's weird that we still don't have jet models after five years, though.
 
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However, as I wrote recently, Jadwiga Piłsudska is a better candidate for the event flying ace similar to Amelia Earhart ^^

Especially that her sister Wanda is older, so Wanda I xD
Or Wanda II with "Dislikes Germany Too" trait* :>


Speaking of which, I wanted to write something about the monarchy :)

Was the return of the monarchy in the II RP possible?
To the best of my knowledge, there was a small, real chance for it, but at the beginning of the II RP, and actually before it.
From October 27, 1917, to November 14, 1918, there was a Regency Council in Poland. Also, in 1918, Karol Stefan Habsburg appointed the candidate for the king of Poland.

Then it was more difficult, although there were monarchist circles **, although most die permanently in 1930.

In the period we are interested in, we should be most interested in the newspaper entitled Monarchist's Voice (in Polish Głos Monarchisty) and the person of Leszek Gembarzewski, the editor of this magazine and the theorist of monarchism (it even sounds like an advisor skill in hoi4 xD). A person is critical of democracy and the creator of many monarchist studies. Some people describe him as the First Monarchist of the II RP.

In March 1937 he tried to register the Union of Monarchists (in Polish Związek Monarchistów), but the Government Commissariat for the capital city of Warsaw refused to register it, justifying the refusal with the lack of "social benefit".

If the monarchist path is at all considered. I think that some direction could be an event or focus in the focus tree related to the consent to create this Union of Monarchists.


At the same time, in 1937, the Party of National Monarchists, a more nationally radical group, was formed. Again, it is focused on the magazine, the Steel Sword (in Polish Stalowy Miecz) monthly, which in 1938 changed its title to the National Monarchy (in Polish Monarchia Narodowa).

We also have the writer Karol Ludwik Koniński, who in 1936 creates a vision of the Polish Empire (in Polish Cesarstwo Polski) as a multinational and federative empire of the Three Seas: Balticum - Pontus - Adria (I know, ambitiously :D).


In short - poverty. Small groups of activists and the government reluctant to monarchists.


But hey, we are talking about the monarchical path for II RP. So it's time to enter the historic fantasy car and answer the most important question - who can be the king of Poland? :D

Karol Stefan Habsburg not because he is dead in 1933.

The Polish monarchists themselves were very careful in selecting candidates because they didn't want splits in their already small group.

However, as if I were to bet:
Maria Emanuel, Margrave of Meissen (Maria Emanuel Saski) - in 1936 he is ten years old, but it's not that Paradox was bothered by it :D
Anyway, he's the ancestor of the Saxon dynasty. His ancestors in a straight line included, for example, August II the Strong and August III the Saxon. His family didn't support Hitler and they were in prison, but perhaps it could have been done as in the case of the Netherlands and the Kaiser.

Philipp, Landgrave of Hesse - son of the uncrowned king of Finland from 1918, Prince Frederick Charles of Hesse. A good candidate if we need it, as in the focus tree of Hungary's fascist king. He was a huge fan of fascism, a member of the NSDAP, and a friend of Göring (it should be noted, however, that in 1943 he fell into conflict with the Nazis). Why would he be the king of Poland? It's complicated, but it's about the Piast dynasty ***.
Also, he could get a war target on Finland from the focus to reflect his father's heritage :>>>

Archduke Karl Albrecht of Austria (Karol Olbracht Austriacki) - personally my favorite and the son of Karol Stefan Habsburg. The landowner in Poland, from 1920 he served in the Polish Army. In 1939, he volunteered for the Polish Army but won't accept. Historically caught by the Germans, tortured, he refused to sign the German national list, cooperated with Armia Krajowa, and was awarded the Cross of Valour for it.

Strongly connected with Poland, Habsburg, soldier, and Polish patriot. It's hard to find a better candidate in the historical fantasy path :D
And the possibility of rebuilding the Habsburg Empire from Poland or possibly the achievement "I'm a better Habsburg than you" for defeating Austria-Hungary using Poland :>>>


Grand Duchess Maria Kirillovna of Russia (Maria Kiriłłowna Romanova) - we are entering a strong fantasy. From 1815 the Romanowie were called kings of Poland. Nicholas II Romanov held this title until March 1917. The position of the last tsar's cousin, that is, Grand Prince Cyril, was questioned hence his granddaughter, Maria. She had neither succession rights nor family support, but hey! Give her to the throne and I will ask my core for all of Russia xD


And finally, of course, Wanda I or II (Wanda Piłsudska) as an easter egg :D
In fact, there was an idea in the 1920s to coronate Józef Piłsudski as the king of Poland. Although turning his daughter into a queen is pure water fantasy, well, that's not what happened in hoi4.


And I will repeat it again. The monarchy in Poland in 1936 is a strong historical fantasy, so all candidates don't have to be serious, or they are as serious as the chance for a monarchy :>

*
It is of course a reference to the feature of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, but also a reference to Polish folklore.

I mean the legendary princess Wanda (reputedly lived in 8th century Poland), daughter of the equally legendary King Krakus.
In Poland, she is often referred to as Wanda, who didn't want a German (in Polish: Wanda, która nie chciała Niemca).

This is due to the legend saying that she didn't agree to marry the German prince, and this offended invaded Poland. Wanda defended the country and then committed suicide by jumping into the Vistula River so as not to provoke further attacks.

Yes, I know wonderful folklore :D

**
There were some monarchist organizations, such as the Organization of National and Behavior Youth (in Polish Organizacja Młodzieży Narodowo-Zachowawczej) established in 1920, which in 1922 revived (its former president died in the Battle of Warsaw in 1920) as the Monarchist Youth Organization (in Polish Organizacja Młodzieży Monarchistycznej). In 1925 the Monarchist Organization (in Polish Organizacja Monarchistyczna) and the Camp of Polish Monarchists (in Polish Obóz Monarchistów Polskich) are established. In 1926, these unite in the Union of Polish Monarchists (in Polish Zjednoczenie Monarchistów Polskich).

Unfortunately for them, the organization disintegrates soon, because the organization supported the legal government of II RP during the May Coup in 1926.

Then a third organization is created, first as the Monarchist Organization of Landowner? (in Polish Monarchistyczne Organizacja Włościańska), and then, in 1927, as All-state Monarchist Organization (in Polish Monarchistyczna Organizacja Wszechstanowa). The MOW seems to be strong for a while with many rallies, several thousand members among the landowners, etc. But all ends in 1930 where the elections and just over 50,000 votes show the weakness of the movements.

***
Poland had many elective kings, but one of the ideas is to find a monarch who would succeed the typically Polish, famous Piast dynasty.
Designating the heir of the Piasts isn't a small effort. I'm not a specialist for this, so I will use the opinion of Agnieszka Wolnicka, a Polish history popularizer.

It suggests that the legacy from the Legnica-Brzeg Piast line was passed on to Karolina, the sister of the last representative of the family of Jerzy Wilhelm of Legnica, whose descendants were successively representatives of the Holstein, Oettingen, Kaunitz, Metternich, Sandor de Szlavnicza, Metternich again, again Oettingen and finally Ratibor- Corvey.

However, since the aforementioned last Piast Karolina married a representative of a different faith without the consent of her parents, the rights to the throne of the heirs of her older cousin, Dorota Elżbieta, look just as well. It transferred its rights successively to the Nassau family, and from the beginning of the 19th century - to Hessen-Kassel. One of its heirs was Frederick Charles, brother-in-law of Emperor Wilhelm II, and his only son living in 1936 was Philip.
Thank you for this detailed run down of Polish Monarchism! Im very invested as who to get on the throne/how to get there (civil war/coup etc). And Karl Albrecht sounds perfect indeed.
 
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It is more or less proportional to the number of population (10-15%).
I don't know how you arrived to that conclusion. If you take population by language spoken (which is criticized for over-estimating Poles) there were 6.7m Ukraine and/Belorussian out of 35m, which is almost 20%. Then, Polish army mobilized ~1m soldiers. If we assume 100k of those were Ukrainians&Belorussian, then they were mobilized at half the rate others were. I'm not sure how well Poles mobilized Jews and Germans, so it might be 1/3 of the rate.
You should also keep in mind that Poles didn't trust national minority units, officially barring them from tank divisions, artillery and some other units. They weren't as motivated as Poles, but irl the battles with them haven't shown issues, at least not until Polish collapse and retreat to East.
Exactly. Not motivated and preferred deserting right after it was obvious Polish state can't do anything about it.
A lot of it was still result and hope of Normalization policy. It failed. But there were constructive hopes of Poland trying to move again in that way, especially when UNDO saw no alternative - after Holodomor and Stalin's terror they mostly gave up on plans of reunification with rest of Soviet Ukraine under Soviet rule.
That is true, but 1. Poles were fighting Germans, the same people that supported independent Ukraine an state, hence assuming they would fight Germans is a big assumption.
What was important is two things:
1) it took UNDO's support to keep order and they had no idea about Soviet plans
2) The defeat of Poland effectively got rid of UNDO and any democrats; local communist party was wiped out few years before by Stalin in Great Purge. OUN as a result became the one and only native Ukrainian party, with only alternative being Soviets. And in 1939-1941 people became disillusioned with Soviets.
3) Uprising is a possibility in that period for more extreme paths. I think that all Poles already chuckled at the civil war map of 1937 uprising too.
I can see why Ukrainians would fight alongside vs Soviets. But not vs Germans.
The situation of Ukrainians and Belorussians is rather special in HoI4 time. It is both a time of attempt to reapproach and make Poland multiethnic and a time of bitter fight against nations when the former failed. In HoI4 terms, it means mainly OUN blooming after fall of Poland, becoming a major resistance movement.
It is hardly unique. Yugoslavia, Romania, also had to deal with those issues.
Yes, but Poland was the first country to taste that. Unlike us, they had no retrospective knowledge. It is hard to blame them for that.
They lived under Russians for several centuries since partition, and Napoleonic wars. They knew exactly what will happen.
They had seen what happened the moment Germany capitulated in WW1, Soviets simply revoked treaty, and had a war. They might be in denial, but that's not excuse.
Planes are very limited in transport capacity. Especially of those times and among those in service in Poland and Romania.
I meant German planes playing with Polish supply rails.
I mean, you are right :D

But I would rather point that they didn't expect country with whom they talked about alliance attempts month or two ago and which didn't have good relations with Germany to factually ally with Germany.
Oh, humanity. Soviets were shopping for a deal, pretty sure Poles were aware of the concept.
Given that they were uninformed of MR pact, they expected Soviets to stay neutral and oblige to the treaties. Alas, they also had no retrospective knowledge about how Stalin would prefer to conduct foreign policy as they were his first victim.
Issue is, they were faced with uncomfortable choice of being a lesser partner of either Germany or SU. The third "option" was unrealistic, but they preferred pie in the sky.

I'm pretty sure they knew the drill. Once situation changes, old treaties don't apply.
 
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Thank you for this detailed run down of Polish Monarchism! Im very invested as who to get on the throne/how to get there (civil war/coup etc). And Karl Albrecht sounds perfect indeed.
You're welcome :)


I'm curious too. Civil war seems a strange idea due to low support for monarchism.

It is possible that the path would be for the government to allow the monarchists to act, to build broad support for them coupled with some serious crisis of the government itself.

Although monarchist ideas were niche, it should be remembered that the sentiment (or more adoration, some even write about worship*) to Piłsudzki himself is not. So it can be presumed that the very idea of having a strong leader in such an unstable time is something that felt a significant number of Poles.
A highly improbable theory, I know.


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There are many examples of it. Let me give you one motto of the Border Protection Corps soldiers leaving the reserve: "Józef Piłsudski, the First Marshal of Poland. Follow his instructions and you will be a good Polish citizen."

And his cult only grew after 1935, becoming a de facto part of the official government policy. For example, in 1938 the Seym passed a special law which forbade defamation of the name of Józef Piłsudski under penalty of imprisonment.
 

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That is true, but 1. Poles were fighting Germans, the same people that supported independent Ukraine an state, hence assuming they would fight Germans is a big assumption.
I can see why Ukrainians would fight alongside vs Soviets. But not vs Germans.

Roughly speaking, UNDO didn't get contacted by Germans and they assumed that they would be enemies to them and they would be better off sticking to Poland in these times. And OUN wasn't prepared or foreshadowed to act against Poland actively.

One other major factor is organization. OUN experienced the death of it's leader, Konovalets, at the hands of Sudoplatov, and the splinter between two factions started, which made hard a fully coordinated action.

In general I agree with you, just would only say that a lot of things are still rather a matter of retrospective knowledge vs what people back then thought and expected.

It is hardly unique. Yugoslavia, Romania, also had to deal with those issues.

I mean, yes, in that way it is. And Kurds are somewhat similar too.

What I meant is that, well, Ukrainians weren't just a minority, but rather a side fighting for it's own state and they were an issue for Poland and Soviets. They had failures, possibilities and at times real successes, there is a lot to alt-history in the region. And unlike even Basques for example, they were more persistant in their fight at the time.

And, hopefully, this won't ignored in Barbarossa and next DD.
 
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