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HOI4 Dev Diary - Exiled Governments

Welcome to another dev diary for Man the Guns. The expansion has 2 main themes: Naval and Democracies, and so far we have had dev diaries for USA and UK and today its time to continue the second theme by talking about how you can host governments in exile and turn them against their conquerors. We will also be doing some follow up on UK with Imperial Conferences.


Harboring Governments in Exile

Many nations overrun by the Axis would field at least a few small units of exiled forces, such as (but not limited to) the French, Greeks, Norwegians, Dutch, and even Czechs. These served not only in the Army, but also in the Air Force and the Navy. The most well-known, however, are probably the Polish. At their height they numbered almost 250,000 men, and served with distinction in France, Norway, North Africa, Normandy, and Northern Europe, while Polish pilots proved their mettle in the Battle for Britain, among others.
The main focus of this feature is to give extra power to democracies in that nations who are conquered by, say, Germany will be able to function from a host nation and lend their strength to them. Each government in exile has a certain amount of Legitimacy - essentially how acknowledged they are by governments in the world as the legitimate government. The higher the legitimacy, the more advantages you will get from a government in exile.

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As you reach each step on the scale the following things will be unlocked (some at more than one place):
  • Ability to train and deploy Exiled Veteran Divisions (more details below)
  • Ability to have Airwings with exiled manpower. These start out at a higher experience level right away.
  • Exiled Generals. These guys synergize well with exiled divisions.
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So ready for revenge that if this was animated you'd see that glorious mustasch quivering.

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Legitimacy is gained first before actually capitulating. The higher your warscore, the better your starting Legitimacy. If you just fold, transport all your divisions to safety or disband them, you won’t get much and the road to gaining more will be that much harder. Once you are actually in exile you gain legitimacy by helping in the fight. This both makes historical sense and means that players have a good reason to fight as hard as possible.

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Once a nation has capitulated and is exiled it can salvage some things. Depending on Legitimacy some of the stockpile may be spirited off and some divisions may escape (with severe equipment losses) and will appear in the host nation after a long while (presumably sneaking across the channel in small boats or on long detours etc). These divisions will be Exiled Veterans.

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An Exiled Veteran division generally has a better experience level and will get both a combat bonus when fighting the occupiers of its nation as well as an extra bonus when on its old core territory. So these divisions are quite precious and potent. They are trained in much the same way as colonial forces are for those that own Together for Victory and you get access to both their templates and your own:
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Playing an Exile

Playing in exile is something I think will be more popular in multiplayer than single player, because you are limiting yourself quite a bit, but for those who like a challenge we wanted to make sure it was possible and give you some of these advantages as well!

If your host is an AI it will be trying to be helpful in this case by passing over control of veteran divisions arriving. Exile Commanders will also be under your control. Because some exiles will have no land at all you will likely need to depend on the master for lend lease of equipment to arm your divisions with. If you are totally landless you will be getting a trickle of manpower based on your Legitimacy as well (Poland is likely in this position while Netherlands or France wouldn’t necessarily be). When you are an exiled nation you can keep track of your legitimacy on the country screen as well as bring up the more detailed view like the host nation can:

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Exiled nations also come with several new decisions to help them grow and to celebrate their achievements. We also plan for exiles of nations that don't fall normally, like Czechoslovakia to come into existence from decisions.
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Imperial Conferences

Hi! Bratyn here. In the thread for the British Focus Tree dev diary a lot of community feedback pointed out the glaring lack of the Imperial Conference as a potential ahistorical path. As I already mentioned in certain threads, this has now been rectified :)

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I have rearranged the Dominions development branch of the Reinforce the Empire path, and added three new focuses. After having developed Canada, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, it is now possible to kick off the [insertcurrentyearhere] Imperial Conference. Doing so will send a notification event to all parties involved (including yourself), which then activates the Imperial Conference decisions.

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This text has since been adjusted to properly locate the Conference in London!

However! Note that this conference will only last for 60 days, and so even though the “Hold the Imperial Conference” focus grants 120 political power, you should be prepared by having a sizeable amount of political power saved up in order to push through the motions you want during this timeframe. Considering the likelihood of the Dominions agreeing to your motions depends to a large degree on their opinion of you, you may also want to have prepared by improving relations with them before you kick off the conference, as you will likely not have time for this in the 60 days you are given. Finally, to make opinion actually matter, all positive opinions throughout the game have been cut in half, and on top of this you get a -100 opinion modifier with all your Dominions (and India) for the duration of the conference. This allows us to use the 0-100 range of opinion to calculate AI likelihood of accepting your proposals.

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The possible motions to make are the following:
  • Imperial Defense: Each Dominion that accepts gains a 10% production bonus for factories and dockyards for 365 days. Accepting costs them 25 political power. For each Dominion that accepts, the UK gets 3% production bonus for factories and dockyards (for a grand total of 15% bonus max, if all 5 accept) for 365 days.

  • Imperial Trade: Each Dominion that accepts is flipped to the Free Trade law (this making a larger amount of resources available for export), and the UK gets a +50 trade relations opinion modifier with them.

  • Imperial Economy: Each Dominion that accepts gains a 10% construction speed bonus to civilian and military factories, and dockyards, for 365 days. Accepting costs them 25 political power. For each Dominion that accepts, the UK gets 3% construction speed bonus to civilian and military factories, and dockyards (for a grand total of 15% bonus max, if all 5 accept) for 365 days.

  • Appeasement: Only available if the UK is not at war. Each Dominion that accepts gains 10% war support. Accepting costs them 25 political power. For each Dominion that accepts, the UK gets 3% war support.
In addition, Dominions that accept the previous four motions will also get 10 opinion with the UK per motion they accepted. This gives you a way to improve opinion other than simply improving relations. Each motion costs 50 political power to start. Of course, note that all values are subject to change based on testing.

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WIP event picture!

Each motion kicks off with a starting event for the UK, where the player can choose whether to roll the dice solely based on the Dominions’ opinion, or to invest various degrees of political power (currently 25 and 50) to influence the outcome. Influencing them will double and triple (respectively) the chance of them saying yes, but the only thing that will absolutely guarantee it is if they have 100 opinion with you.

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WIP event picture!

Finally, there is the Imperial Federation motion. This one is a bit different from the previous four, because it will not have effect unless at least Canada, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand unanimously accept the motion. This costs 100 political power to start.

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WIP event picture!

India is a bit of a special case. They were not a Dominion, and so if you want their support you will have to first make them one. This is where the new “Indian Autonomy” focus comes in. Taking this will make the Raj a dominion, and also give them +0.5 autonomy gain for 2 years. If you do this before the Imperial Federation, the Raj may (following the same opinion restrictions as the other Dominions) accept the Federation proposal. If you do not grant them autonomy before triggering the Conference, they will always reject it.

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WIP event pictures!

If all five Dominions accepted, they then all receive a national spirit that reduces Autonomy by -3 per day. You will manually have to pay the PP to reduce their Autonomy levels all the way down to Integrated Puppet (and these TfV Autonomy levels have therefore been unlocked for MtG!), and once all of them are that Autonomy level, you can take the “Imperial Federation” focus. If India did NOT accept for whatever reason, but all other Dominions did, you can elect to either cancel the plans, or push through with the remaining Dominions and give independence for India. The reason for making this require a long process of autonomy reduction is to illustrate that integration is a long-term process, as well as to make this be a difficult (or at least slow) thing to achieve, due to how powerful it is. The idea is that it should only be possible to get towards the mid-late game. Currently, this takes roughly 3 years. Of course, again note that all values are subject to change based on testing, and especially the speed at which you can integrate them may well change (if anything, likely to be adjusted so that it can be done more quickly).

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WIP event picture!

Taking the “Imperial Federation” focus will do multiple things.
  • Canada, Australia, and New Zealand will have all units and army leaders transferred to the UK, they will be annexed, and all their core states will become core states of the UK.

  • South Africa will have all units and army leaders transferred to the UK, and they will be annexed, but, to illustrate cultural differences and lingering anti-British sentiment there, their core states will NOT become core states of the UK.

  • The British Raj, if they accepted, will have all units and army leaders transferred to the UK, and they will be annexed, but, to illustrate cultural differences, their core states will NOT become core states of the UK (also done to counteract the OPness of gaining full access to all Indian manpower, which even British Raj/India doesn’t get).

  • UK gets a new cosmetic tag with a new map color, name, and flag.

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WIP event picture!

Current names and flags for the Imperial Federation are as following:

Democratic: Commonwealth of Nations
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Fascism: The Empire
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Communism: Commonwealth of Peoples
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Neutrality: The Imperial Federation
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Right -hand one is if India is included.

Rejected Titles:

In the skies above the isle...

Brought to you by Game Devs in Swedish Exile

Defending Britain to the last Pole

Say [ZENSIERT] to your [ZENSIERT] Balls

More smiling Indian soldiers than you can shake a stick at!
 
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Please change the numbers especially for Poland, it wasnt 7,9. It was far more than 80k active

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Armed_Forces_in_the_West

There were also a very successfull polish air force . Also it seems that polish ppl from all over world joined the polish army after 1940.

Lot of comunists from Poland joined the sowjet union,too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Armed_Forces_in_the_East

So there must be armed polish west & of course east.

Iam not sure what about other countries. Please fix that and do decisions for France, UK and Comunists to allow polish forces to join. Important for MtG (there was also a exiled controlled polish navy, but i couldnt find much about them except that polish navy was often using to protect trade routes)

Thanks in advance to create a very good dlc

Work faster i want it
 

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I only played a game as Democratic Hungary, then lost interest when I flipped ideology and found out they didn't have a leader portrait. In what way is it broken?
It doesn't flip at all. Or at least since the Waking the Tiger patch. Same with historical Romania, they don't flip Fascist after doing the focus which previously made it flip.
Moreover, as Hungary you don't even get the option to do a referendum or a coup d'etad, so you're stuck with democratic ideology becoming bigger and bigger but with a nonaligned government which cannot become democratic in any way. And yes I did test this without mods!
 

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You don't need to personally be attacked that the current design limitations don't allow annexed nations to have goverments in Exile.
I just wanted to point out a mistake in the representation of this nation. If it's because of a design limitation then I can accept it, sorry for the misunderstanding.

I love democracies where priests, catholics and more are assasinated.
Civil war was necessary to stop those ''democrats''.
What. :eek:
I'm speechless.
 

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what about Malaya? I noticed in the screenshot that they weren't in the commonwealth
Malaya only exists in the game for Australia's singleplayer fantasy focuses. The colonial government there had less autonomy than a member state of the US, and no-one is seriously suggesting we'd include those as separate tags.
 

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Every positive opinion value in the game has been slashed. Improving relations as a game mechanic is entirely unchanged, however, and still reaches +100 max relation improvement, so these requirements should still be entirely possible to get, except that they might require a tiny but more player action now.

@Bratyn Does this mean that opinion advisors are actually going to be useful?
 
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This is going to be another full-fledged expansion like WtT and considering that PDS added it for free to the expansion pass...
Best company in the world!
 

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@Bratyn What are the exact requisites to become an exiled government on capitulation? being a Democratic (or Non-Aligned like Poland, Greece and Yugoslavia) country in a Democratic-led Faction?
 
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I feel like a lot more thought and effort has gone into the Britain tree than into the USA tree. The Britain tree and events are, quite frankly, awesome and interesting. The new USA tree just seems kind of meh. For instance, The USA unsurprisingly has the choice to stay democratic or become fascist or communist...and not even really communist, just European style pinko socialist. Strangely enough, if the CSA(confederate States of America) split off they might have the pleasure to default to Fascist...that is just a huge missed opportunity, and makes me wonder if PDS is relying too much on Mr. Turtledove’s works for inspiration...
 

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OOF. Imo exiled goverments big nerf for the Axis in the MP games.Especially their combat bonuses.

Good point about game balance.

One way to look at the question about "exiled goverments big nerf for the Axis in the MP games" is to look at the other side of the coin,

"exiled governments' big bonus for the Allies in the MP games"

This bonus could be justified to balance the way that the Axis benefits from a head start in developing their generals' traits ("general farming").

In the current vanilla rules (no mods), Italy, Germany, Japan, Fascist Spain and even Manchukuo have several opportunities to earn bonuses for their generals before the traditional start date of WW2.

Yes, the USSR has a similar opportunity.

But the Commonwealth's and USA's generals go to the war as neophytes, greatly outclassed by their Axis counterparts.

"Exiled Governments" counterbalances "General Farming"

Thus, balance is restored to the vanilla version of the game.

(One way to look at it. :) )
 
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I feel like a lot more thought and effort has gone into the Britain tree than into the USA tree. The Britain tree and events are, quite frankly, awesome and interesting. The new USA tree just seems kind of meh. For instance, The USA unsurprisingly has the choice to stay democratic or become fascist or communist...and not even really communist, just European style pinko socialist. Strangely enough, if the CSA(confederate States of America) split off they might have the pleasure to default to Fascist...that is just a huge missed opportunity, and makes me wonder if PDS is relying too much on Mr. Turtledove’s works for inspiration...

By the way, is there a functioning Worldwar mod for HoI4?
 

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Edward is now ruler of Unaligned Britain, however - so it would be Mosley at the head of the Fascist-flag Empire.



Yes. This is part of the "Reinforce the Empire" branch, which is mutually exclusive with the decolonization branch. Both can be taken regardless of which ideology you become.

Soooo, Edward VIII Can no longer be ruler of the BUF via event? =( sad times
 

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@Bratyn Might I suggest that when India becomes free its color changes to an orange since I don't know why but it seems to fit a free India, also how is it going with the map changes? I would imagine slow since there is still plenty to do and you have plenty on your plate already.