HOI4 Dev Diary - Exiled Governments

Welcome to another dev diary for Man the Guns. The expansion has 2 main themes: Naval and Democracies, and so far we have had dev diaries for USA and UK and today its time to continue the second theme by talking about how you can host governments in exile and turn them against their conquerors. We will also be doing some follow up on UK with Imperial Conferences.


Harboring Governments in Exile

Many nations overrun by the Axis would field at least a few small units of exiled forces, such as (but not limited to) the French, Greeks, Norwegians, Dutch, and even Czechs. These served not only in the Army, but also in the Air Force and the Navy. The most well-known, however, are probably the Polish. At their height they numbered almost 250,000 men, and served with distinction in France, Norway, North Africa, Normandy, and Northern Europe, while Polish pilots proved their mettle in the Battle for Britain, among others.
The main focus of this feature is to give extra power to democracies in that nations who are conquered by, say, Germany will be able to function from a host nation and lend their strength to them. Each government in exile has a certain amount of Legitimacy - essentially how acknowledged they are by governments in the world as the legitimate government. The higher the legitimacy, the more advantages you will get from a government in exile.

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As you reach each step on the scale the following things will be unlocked (some at more than one place):
  • Ability to train and deploy Exiled Veteran Divisions (more details below)
  • Ability to have Airwings with exiled manpower. These start out at a higher experience level right away.
  • Exiled Generals. These guys synergize well with exiled divisions.
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So ready for revenge that if this was animated you'd see that glorious mustasch quivering.

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Legitimacy is gained first before actually capitulating. The higher your warscore, the better your starting Legitimacy. If you just fold, transport all your divisions to safety or disband them, you won’t get much and the road to gaining more will be that much harder. Once you are actually in exile you gain legitimacy by helping in the fight. This both makes historical sense and means that players have a good reason to fight as hard as possible.

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Once a nation has capitulated and is exiled it can salvage some things. Depending on Legitimacy some of the stockpile may be spirited off and some divisions may escape (with severe equipment losses) and will appear in the host nation after a long while (presumably sneaking across the channel in small boats or on long detours etc). These divisions will be Exiled Veterans.

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An Exiled Veteran division generally has a better experience level and will get both a combat bonus when fighting the occupiers of its nation as well as an extra bonus when on its old core territory. So these divisions are quite precious and potent. They are trained in much the same way as colonial forces are for those that own Together for Victory and you get access to both their templates and your own:
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Playing an Exile

Playing in exile is something I think will be more popular in multiplayer than single player, because you are limiting yourself quite a bit, but for those who like a challenge we wanted to make sure it was possible and give you some of these advantages as well!

If your host is an AI it will be trying to be helpful in this case by passing over control of veteran divisions arriving. Exile Commanders will also be under your control. Because some exiles will have no land at all you will likely need to depend on the master for lend lease of equipment to arm your divisions with. If you are totally landless you will be getting a trickle of manpower based on your Legitimacy as well (Poland is likely in this position while Netherlands or France wouldn’t necessarily be). When you are an exiled nation you can keep track of your legitimacy on the country screen as well as bring up the more detailed view like the host nation can:

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Exiled nations also come with several new decisions to help them grow and to celebrate their achievements. We also plan for exiles of nations that don't fall normally, like Czechoslovakia to come into existence from decisions.
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Imperial Conferences

Hi! Bratyn here. In the thread for the British Focus Tree dev diary a lot of community feedback pointed out the glaring lack of the Imperial Conference as a potential ahistorical path. As I already mentioned in certain threads, this has now been rectified :)

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I have rearranged the Dominions development branch of the Reinforce the Empire path, and added three new focuses. After having developed Canada, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, it is now possible to kick off the [insertcurrentyearhere] Imperial Conference. Doing so will send a notification event to all parties involved (including yourself), which then activates the Imperial Conference decisions.

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This text has since been adjusted to properly locate the Conference in London!

However! Note that this conference will only last for 60 days, and so even though the “Hold the Imperial Conference” focus grants 120 political power, you should be prepared by having a sizeable amount of political power saved up in order to push through the motions you want during this timeframe. Considering the likelihood of the Dominions agreeing to your motions depends to a large degree on their opinion of you, you may also want to have prepared by improving relations with them before you kick off the conference, as you will likely not have time for this in the 60 days you are given. Finally, to make opinion actually matter, all positive opinions throughout the game have been cut in half, and on top of this you get a -100 opinion modifier with all your Dominions (and India) for the duration of the conference. This allows us to use the 0-100 range of opinion to calculate AI likelihood of accepting your proposals.

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The possible motions to make are the following:
  • Imperial Defense: Each Dominion that accepts gains a 10% production bonus for factories and dockyards for 365 days. Accepting costs them 25 political power. For each Dominion that accepts, the UK gets 3% production bonus for factories and dockyards (for a grand total of 15% bonus max, if all 5 accept) for 365 days.

  • Imperial Trade: Each Dominion that accepts is flipped to the Free Trade law (this making a larger amount of resources available for export), and the UK gets a +50 trade relations opinion modifier with them.

  • Imperial Economy: Each Dominion that accepts gains a 10% construction speed bonus to civilian and military factories, and dockyards, for 365 days. Accepting costs them 25 political power. For each Dominion that accepts, the UK gets 3% construction speed bonus to civilian and military factories, and dockyards (for a grand total of 15% bonus max, if all 5 accept) for 365 days.

  • Appeasement: Only available if the UK is not at war. Each Dominion that accepts gains 10% war support. Accepting costs them 25 political power. For each Dominion that accepts, the UK gets 3% war support.
In addition, Dominions that accept the previous four motions will also get 10 opinion with the UK per motion they accepted. This gives you a way to improve opinion other than simply improving relations. Each motion costs 50 political power to start. Of course, note that all values are subject to change based on testing.

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WIP event picture!

Each motion kicks off with a starting event for the UK, where the player can choose whether to roll the dice solely based on the Dominions’ opinion, or to invest various degrees of political power (currently 25 and 50) to influence the outcome. Influencing them will double and triple (respectively) the chance of them saying yes, but the only thing that will absolutely guarantee it is if they have 100 opinion with you.

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WIP event picture!

Finally, there is the Imperial Federation motion. This one is a bit different from the previous four, because it will not have effect unless at least Canada, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand unanimously accept the motion. This costs 100 political power to start.

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WIP event picture!

India is a bit of a special case. They were not a Dominion, and so if you want their support you will have to first make them one. This is where the new “Indian Autonomy” focus comes in. Taking this will make the Raj a dominion, and also give them +0.5 autonomy gain for 2 years. If you do this before the Imperial Federation, the Raj may (following the same opinion restrictions as the other Dominions) accept the Federation proposal. If you do not grant them autonomy before triggering the Conference, they will always reject it.

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WIP event pictures!

If all five Dominions accepted, they then all receive a national spirit that reduces Autonomy by -3 per day. You will manually have to pay the PP to reduce their Autonomy levels all the way down to Integrated Puppet (and these TfV Autonomy levels have therefore been unlocked for MtG!), and once all of them are that Autonomy level, you can take the “Imperial Federation” focus. If India did NOT accept for whatever reason, but all other Dominions did, you can elect to either cancel the plans, or push through with the remaining Dominions and give independence for India. The reason for making this require a long process of autonomy reduction is to illustrate that integration is a long-term process, as well as to make this be a difficult (or at least slow) thing to achieve, due to how powerful it is. The idea is that it should only be possible to get towards the mid-late game. Currently, this takes roughly 3 years. Of course, again note that all values are subject to change based on testing, and especially the speed at which you can integrate them may well change (if anything, likely to be adjusted so that it can be done more quickly).

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WIP event picture!

Taking the “Imperial Federation” focus will do multiple things.
  • Canada, Australia, and New Zealand will have all units and army leaders transferred to the UK, they will be annexed, and all their core states will become core states of the UK.

  • South Africa will have all units and army leaders transferred to the UK, and they will be annexed, but, to illustrate cultural differences and lingering anti-British sentiment there, their core states will NOT become core states of the UK.

  • The British Raj, if they accepted, will have all units and army leaders transferred to the UK, and they will be annexed, but, to illustrate cultural differences, their core states will NOT become core states of the UK (also done to counteract the OPness of gaining full access to all Indian manpower, which even British Raj/India doesn’t get).

  • UK gets a new cosmetic tag with a new map color, name, and flag.

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WIP event picture!

Current names and flags for the Imperial Federation are as following:

Democratic: Commonwealth of Nations
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Fascism: The Empire
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Communism: Commonwealth of Peoples
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Neutrality: The Imperial Federation
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Right -hand one is if India is included.

Rejected Titles:

In the skies above the isle...

Brought to you by Game Devs in Swedish Exile

Defending Britain to the last Pole

Say [ZENSIERT] to your [ZENSIERT] Balls

More smiling Indian soldiers than you can shake a stick at!
 
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I know I am terribly late on this question. But is there anyway once the exiled London government is created, its essentially the Polish Home Army right? Could we have the Polish flag change to the PHA's flag?
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Just like how the French become the Free French. Also sorry for the large flag, I do not know how to make it smaller XD
 

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I know this might be a little late and no one will read it but shouldn't the UK get a non core manpower spirit to represent Indian armies?
 

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That Kaiserreich flag is pretty terrible tbh. There's no reason Communists would use a Union Jack, especially given that Britain isn't a nation, but a multinational country made up of the Welsh, English, Scottish, and Irish at the very least; to say nothing of the flag's blatant association with monarchism and imperialism. The Chartist Tricolor is also a pretty bad choice and I don't see why they would use that either even though the communists did see themselves as continuing the tradition of Chartism.. I don't get why the red flag is seen as so anathema to some, which was universally used by communists. Same with Communist US flag using stripes.. just doesn't make sense.
 

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For the non-aligned imperial flag, I can't imagine those in Westminster would consider to put an Indian symbol right in the center of the flag. It should be put in the bottom left square.
 

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That Kaiserreich flag is pretty terrible tbh. There's no reason Communists would use a Union Jack, especially given that Britain isn't a nation, but a multinational country made up of the Welsh, English, Scottish, and Irish at the very least; to say nothing of the flag's blatant association with monarchism and imperialism. The Chartist Tricolor is also a pretty bad choice and I don't see why they would use that either even though the communists did see themselves as continuing the tradition of Chartism.. I don't get why the red flag is seen as so anathema to some, which was universally used by communists. Same with Communist US flag using stripes.. just doesn't make sense.

I do like the Kaiserreich one because at least you can tell from first glance that you're not just playing Britain, you're playing Communist Britain, and the base game flag doesn't do that, when you look over your country full of little division flags it just looks like you're playing regular Britain.

I think either the plain red flag or one with some kind of symbol on it is a good idea. Easy to recognise and has a lot of Historical basis in Britain. Perhaps for a symbol they could use the shovel and quill that used to be the labour party's logo? It features in a lot of socialist and communist art from the 1930s.

I understand why they did the American one, and I do think it works well, it's probably not something that would ever be used by American Communists irl but it works in the game as a recognisable and decent quality flag. The British one though is just bad, like you said the Union flag is associated very closely with the monarchy, and slapping the Chinese Hammer and Sickle on it for some reason doesn't make it better
 

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Communist flags tend to be either red with communist iconography in yellow (Soviet Union, People's Republic of China), the pre-exiting flag without addition (Poland, Czechoslovakia) or some addition to a version of the national flag (German Democratic Republic).

Retaining a national flag doesn't seem a popular option in HOI and a Communist Britain might well seek to distance itself from the former imperial power. A red flag with a centrally placed yellow torch and crossed hammer and spanner could be an option (emphasis on industry rather than agriculture with the torch of revolution or knowledge).
 

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This should absolutely not be for democracies only. As USSR I should be able to host exiled communist French or Communist Chinese governments, maybe even an opposing Polish government. Big oversight here I think.
 

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This should absolutely not be for democracies only. As USSR I should be able to host exiled communist French or Communist Chinese governments, maybe even an opposing Polish government. Big oversight here I think.
Agreed, but one step at a time. Democratic GiE were the big historical thing in WW2, so I think it's fine to get that right first, then add "alt-history" capabilities later. Adding everything in a "big bang" is asking for more bugginess. If they iron out the issues in the democratic version and then expand it to Comintern in a later expansion that is focussed on the USSR and communist ideology events and systems, that would be peachy from where I'm sitting.
 

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Agreed, but one step at a time. Democratic GiE were the big historical thing in WW2, so I think it's fine to get that right first, then add "alt-history" capabilities later. Adding everything in a "big bang" is asking for more bugginess. If they iron out the issues in the democratic version and then expand it to Comintern in a later expansion that is focussed on the USSR and communist ideology events and systems, that would be peachy from where I'm sitting.

I disagree with that mentality. If you are going to add a feature, add it for everyone. Otherwise you get the EU4 situation where whatever country that have patched recently is super OP. Right now Soviets and Comintern are really underpowered because they've never gotten any love. If that means less ambitious DLC/patches, I can live with that. Like we still only have tech sharing for Commonwealth...
 

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  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
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Like we still only have tech sharing for Commonwealth...

There's a continuous focus for faction tech-sharing, regardless of faction (and one or two other tech sharing groups iirc, from peeking into the tech sharing group folder) :).
 

destroyerdonitz

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Oct 12, 2018
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Can communist countries host communist exiled nations?
If they can how the uncaputilated countries control the exiled nations.
If a non communist country in the faction is exiled can other countries which is communist host the particular nation