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HOI4 Dev Diary - A New Germany

Hello everyone, and welcome to a new dev diary for the 1.5 “Cornflakes” update and the as-yet unannounced accompanying DLC.

For those of you who missed my introduction, I’ll briefly introduce myself. My name is Drikus and, after working briefly on DOD to help out the Content Designers on HOI4 back then, I re-joined the team in the summer to work on the next expansion, working with @Archangel85 and @Havebeard on all that CD goodness. Today I’ll be talking about some of the stuff we’ve been busy with since then.

Ever since release it’s become clear that the fanbase's interest in alternate history is far greater than we anticipated. Unfortunately, many of our focus trees for major powers are somewhat lacking in that regard, and it's something we want to change. So, while we will naturally be adding some new focus trees, this time around we will also be revamping two major nations. If this proves popular we plan to keep doing this in future expansions and eventually have all the majors with more options. For now, though, we figured a good start would be the most popular nation in HOI4: Germany!

In the next DLC, Germany will have its focus tree updated to bring it more in line with the new trees of minor nations, especially in terms of alternate history options. Furthermore, even players who do not buy the DLC will see some of these changes. For instance, we made some effort to flesh out the industrial part of the German tree. Initially only being a quick path of 4 focuses, it has now been expanded into a full 16-focus monstrosity, with paths leading into more fortification focuses, more domestic industrial focuses, and more focuses dealing with the ‘economic vassalization’ of Hungary and Romania and other areas of Europe. As a bonus, the 5th research slot is now accessible somewhat earlier, and no longer requires Air Innovations II. These changes do affect industrial balance somewhat, and we will go into how we handle that at the very end of the diary.

Germany Industry.PNG


All of the abovementioned will be free in the 1.5 “Cornflakes” update. What comes next, however, will be part of the DLC.

Use the full tree at the end of this dev diary to follow along. :)

Alternate history paths for Germany beg the question of when and how Hitler could have been stopped. These questions are very controversial, and there usually isn’t much consensus. We, however, have elected to explore the possibility of a concerted Wehrmacht opposition to Hitler, sparked by the Rhineland remilitarization.

Germany Civil War.PNG


A new path has been added, mutually exclusive with the Rhineland focus. It sparks a civil war led by the legendary August von Mackensen. Once won, the path splits, allowing the player to choose between reviving the old Kaiserreich (renaming the country to “German Empire”) and lifting Kaiser Wilhelm II’s exile in the Netherlands, or reinstating democratic elections and establishing a constitutional monarchy as a ‘compromise’ for the rather royalist (and powerful) Wehrmacht officers. In this path, Wilhelm II’s son will take the throne as Wilhelm III as a figurehead. In addition, there is a small 4-focus shared path focusing on the rebuilding of Germany after the Civil War, leading up to the German continental role as a “Bulwark against Bolshevism”.

Germany von Mackensen.PNG

Who wouldn’t want this guy leading their country?

In the Imperial branch, the player now gets the choice of either avenging the Great War, or letting bygones be bygones and focusing on the Communist threat. The former leads to Germany once again asserting its right of a ‘place in the sun’ (bullying China or Japan for the return of Tsingtao), focusing heavily on rebuilding its High Seas Fleet to challenge Britain (including some nice bonuses to battleship production and research), and then taking the fight to the British and French for their colonies. To this end, a new very powerful late-game focus has been added that will flip a significant amount of the country’s military production to naval production, in case the Soviet Union has been defeated and the player wishes to focus on the West (also available to fascists, if the player owns the DLC). The branch also enables the recreation of the Central powers via stimulating imperial sentiment in the Austro-Hungarian successor states and the assassination of Mussolini in favor of King Victor Emmanuel III.

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Can never have enough Pickelhaube...

The second Imperial path focuses on forgiving the British and giving up all dreams of an Imperial Navy. In return for accepting British naval supremacy, it is possible to form an alliance with them and stand together against the threat of Communism all over Europe. A punitive war with (Communist) France over Alsace-Lorraine can lead to an expulsion of the republicans from Iberia, as well as eventually taking the war directly to the Soviets, themselves. I minor shared branch, available for both the British alliance and the colonial route, allows for Germany to protect its eastern borders, retaking Memel, trading Danzig for military guarantees against the Soviets, and aiding the Baltics and the Finns with guarantees and some military support.

Germany Tsingtao.PNG

Can you taste that sweet Tsingtao beer? Ahhh, come to fatherland...

The Democratic path involves some sneaky diplomatic maneuvering, scaring the other nations in Europe into your sphere of influence by speaking up strongly against the Soviets and demonizing them. This leads to creating a Central European Alliance, in which most minor nations in Europe can be invited through various focuses, allowing for democratic Germany to challenge the historic French continental leadership role by creating its own power block. This course of action will likely result in the Soviet Union posturing threateningly, though, and gaining various bonuses to prepare them against what they perceive to be a threat to their sphere of influence. The end result of this mutual and intentional escalation is likely that it will not be possible to invite all nations you could potentially invite before the Soviets invade them. Eventually, Germany can take the fight to the Soviets, leading Europe in a war against the source of communism. In addition, it is possible for Democratic Germany to get a 6th research slot, and to strengthen their alliance through tech sharing and other cooperation.

Germany Democratic.PNG

Unleash the Swarm!

In addition, we have adjusted focuses like “Operation Weserübung” to give the player better control over the timetable of their invasions once the ball starts rolling. We’ve slightly buffed the naval parts of the core tree, adding an additional naval build-up focus or two, and adding some dockyards to Plan Z. In light of the significant improvements to Germany’s economic build-up in the new industrial tree, we are also revisiting the start-of-game balance of the nation. The intention is to make Germany initially weaker, but also quicker in building up, especially before any war has broken out. To that end, we have added a new idea upon startup. MEFO Bills will reduce the consumer goods by 20% (resulting in virtually no consumer good requirements at all), but have to be extended every three months. The price of extending these will progressively increase, as will the penalty that must be paid if these are not extended. Paying off these bills can be delayed by going to war, in which case the payment will be deferred until after the war’s conclusion (so be sure you can afford it by that point!). And finally, just as with the industrial segment of the tree, everything that was mentioned in this paragraph will be available without owning the DLC.

Germany MEFO.png


And finally, in its full glory:

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Don’t forget to check out the World War Wednesday stream later today, where @Da9L and @podcat will go through this dev diary while the rest of us get our asses handed to us by the Allies in South America. We look forward to showing you more cool stuff next week! :)
 
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Yeah, that is pretty much spot on. Funnily enough, in German, the word 'empire' developed it's own life, just as 'Reich' did in English, and is heavily associated with the British empire. In fact, "British empire" is most commonly called "Britisches Empire" in German, and not, as one might assume, "Britisches Imperium". It's pretty much the same as "German Reich" in reverse.

Indeed very funny :)
 

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Moreover i think Imperium is just directly imported from Latin where e.g. the Roman Empire is Imperium Romanum afaik.

Yep, it is. German has a lot of Latin loanwords, but most of them are altered quite a bit. 'Imperium' is one of the few that were directly ported over, presumably because it sounds absolutely epic. lol
 

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While there was a lot more opposition in the military over the Czechoslovakia crisis, they were still pretty cheesed about the Rhineland; they were very concerned it could actually aggro France into a war they were unprepared for. I recall reading that at the first sign of French opposition, they planned to disregard their orders and withdraw.
I'm pretty sure the generals liked the idea of remilitarization. They were afraid of a war with France, though, knowing the Wehrmacht wouldn't stand a chance, and gave appropriate warnings. As a consequence the mentioned orders for immediate retreat - the troops would have been withdrawn the very moment it became apparent that France was ready to fight. Germany would have chickened out and a war would have been avoided.
Also, don't give Göring too much credit. He was simply opportunistic.

But I guess historical plausibility loses against that badass hat. Sigh.
Yeah, I guess that's a big plus for him... as if he was the only hussar in prussian history...
 

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I hope that question wasn’t asked too often, but is there a time plan on when (if) there will be a focus on the Asian countries?
India was covered, but what about China and Southeast Asia?
I know it does not really fall into this time period - or if - only into the last few years, but after all the NAM was founded there
 

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With such a focus tree for Germany, i can hope to see others for majors, like fascist France or democratic Japan
 

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Yeah, I guess that's a big plus for him... as if he was the only hussar in prussian history...
No merely The Last Hussar.
 

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I might not be correct here, but wasn't it Hitler whom made that order to retreat if the French did something?
Hitler and his generals were concerned France might retaliate so they reduced the number of soldiers that was originally planned, there was even a point when Hitler was considering to order his army to retreat back once he realized French soldiers were positioned at the border, but his advisors told him to keep proceeding and it worked.

So what happens to the Rhineland though?
I assume it won't be demilitarized zone anymore since war or in this case civil war removes it, judging from this pic aswell:

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Exactly; I mean, the historical mode is cool 'n all (it's certainly most important to get it right), but after a dozen games there I thirst for something a little different. And right now, my options are to just turn historical focuses off and pray that something interesting emerges from the chaos, or actually mod the game.

Agreed, although I think it would better if it was something you did in-game, at a certain cost. If you want Hungary to go for the AH-path, you have to influence them with PP or some other cost. Of course, that would require that the AI takes the country’s ideology into account when selecting focuses, and probably in this case that there’s a monarchist ideology.
 

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Just make sure all focuses are worth it.

The naval bomber one is a prime example of the least useful focuses. Full 70 days (w 1 nat focus slot) to save some 150 days research (w 4or5 research slots).
 

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Devs please answer my questions.

1. If we choose the Kaiser path and bring Kaiser Wilhelm II back, does he still die in 1941? And if yes, is it his son that takes the crown? I hope this is the case.

2. Why isn't there a focus on the Waffen SS in the German Focus Tree? There is one for the Soviet NKVD and Romania has also something cool which is the creation of Royal Guards in their focus tree. I think it'd be a nice historical touch if there was one.
 

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Can't say I find this terribly realistic either.
Best chance of overthrowing Hitler is still in 1938 with the Oster Conspiracy. IIRC most of the Generals were in support of Rhineland's remilitarization.
Mackensen is 87 years old in 1936. He would be - at best - a figurehead. Which begs whom the real leader is.
Ludwig Beck!
 

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Having the Italian tree account for a coup from the older, more radical figures of the syndicalist-fascist faction would make for a very interesting alternate history POD. In 1933 Italian fascism was in the course of abandoning its left-wing roots in favor of a paternalist bourgeoise dictatorship, a process that could have been stopped and thus created an original and independent ideological front. I can see a wildcard big-ish power in the Mediterranean having much potential from a campaign variety point of view.