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HoI 4 Dev Diary - Border Wars: The Last Warlord

Hello from the frozen wasteland wrapped in eternal darkness that is Sweden in December!


In the base game, the Chinese Warlords lead a rather silly existence. They exist at game start, work was clearly done to make them playable (at least as playable as any country with a generic focus tree), and when the war with Japan starts and things could get interesting - they are swallowed up by Nationalist China.


That means there is little use for the Nationalist player to really interact with them, since they are going to be absorbed anyway when the war starts. This made the Nationalists' situation quite a bit easier than it was historically. So in order to really represent the problems the Nationalists faced, we had to make the Warlords a bit more dynamic - and while doing that, we also made them a bit more interesting to play.


It’ll still be possible for the Nationalist player to unite the country and take over the warlords - it will just take effort and resources that the Nationalist player may or may not be able to spare.

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We still knew that the Warlords tree would be a bit of a sideshow, so we decided that all 5 warlords (Shanxi, Xibei San Ma, Sinkiang, Yunnan, Guanxi Clique) would get the same focus tree, and that it would be somewhat smaller than what we would do for a normal country (instead of a splinter region).

However, we also wanted the player to be able to make a difference and not be stuck with the rather small and restricted warlords focus tree forever. The core idea behind the focus tree is therefore to give the warlords a way to win the struggle for supremacy in China, take over national leadership, and ultimately gain access to the full Nationalist or Communist Focus Trees. This turns them into more fully-fledged contenders in the Chinese Civil War.

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To do this, you have three basic options: you cooperate with the Nationalists, side with the Communists, or you strike out on your own (with an option to approach Japan later).

If you decide to ally with the Nationalists (as most warlords are scripted to do in historical mode), you get to build up your realm a little and fix some of the problems in the administration. Once your powerbase is secure, you can decide to join the political struggle and make a play for the leadership of China in the political sphere.

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This uses the same mechanics we have outlined in the Dev Diary about Communist China, and if a political power struggle between Nationalists and Communists is already ongoing, a warlord will simply join into the struggle. If you win the struggle, and claim national leadership, your focus tree will then switch to the Nationalist Chinese focus tree.

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Siding with the Communists starts out very similar, but the end game is different: instead of joining the political struggle directly, you appeal to the bigger Communist: Stalin. Getting the support of the Soviet Union won’t come cheap, though, and there is no guarantee that whoever leads the Communist party of China is willing to just accept you taking over. Should you succeed, you will be able to annex Communist China, giving you their troops as well as their focus tree. But beware: Stalin will come to collect his due.

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Lastly, the option to strike out on your own is clearly the most difficult of all, making an enemy out of both sides - but it offers you the chance to claim China as your own, without having to make compromises. While you can try to make a deal with the Japanese, there is no guarantee that they will accept, and in any event you would only be trading one overlord for another. This approach also blocks off any chance of joining the political struggle inside China, meaning that you will have to fight for it.


However, since facing the nationalist armies in the field may be a bit too much despite all their many weaknesses, we have decided to expand on Border Wars a bit, giving independent-minded warlords a way to expand some territory while keeping the risk manageable.


Border conflicts start with someone staging an incident between two states (yes... they have to border each other). This costs some PP and fires an event notifying them that they need to position troops or risk losing control of the state.

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After a bit of time has passed, whoever staged the incident gets a decision to escalate the situation further. If this decision is left alone for too long the incident is forgotten and nothing more happens.

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To escalate the incident to a border conflict the instigator needs to place troops on the border and select the decision. Divisions from the two states start fighting in a limited form of combat with special rules such as terrain giving less bonus, lower combat width and so on. The country that first initiated the incident is considered the attacker.

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The fighting will continue for a good amount of time, and if no one has emerged victorious by the time it runs out the conflict is considered to be a stalemate. This awards both sides with a bit of army experience and the defender with some PP for having successfully defended the territory. This is sort of a soft loss for the attacker, but does not come at a major cost other than the PP wasted on initiating the entire incident.


If the attacker wins the conflict, they seize control of the state and are awarded PP for their success. If the defender wins they gain a lot of PP, army experience and research bonus to land doctrine. All of the outcome effects are scriptable and there is a good chance we will add, tweak, or change them after more play testing.

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Both attacker and defender can choose to escalate the conflict further at the cost of addition PP. Doing so gives a combat bonus, allow more troops to join the fighting and pushes the conflict to the brink of all out war. Both sides can back down at this point, but this results in losing the border conflict. It might however be worth taking a loss over an all-out war you cannot hope to win.

If any of the sides chooses to escalate the conflict further, the other side will be notified and not long after, war breaks out.

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My concern is that 100 PP cost is pretty high for border skirmishes, when Germany can create a war goal and conquer the Netherlands, and get all it's colonies for free, for 50pp.

Border skirmishes should be cheaper than wars, and should be costed at like 50 political power. Otherwise, as a warlord, you could end up sinking all your PP into taking over China and be really behind in filling the cabinet, or getting good laws.
 

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Will the Soviet-Japanese border clashes in Mongolia be reworked as well?
And will Hungary get the chance to get in some border action against Slovakia?
A great idea. Would be a nice presentation of Little War between these two. There are two ways to create the outcome of the war currently in my mind. One would be to create one super-small province (something like Zaolzie) in the Eastern Slovakia and if Hungarians succeed they could get it, which is what happened in real life or maybe represent their victory by getting political power, army experience and something like that. If Slovaks succeed they could be given even greater reward since it would probably be quite difficult, especially for the AI.
 

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Great Dev Diary! I noticed that the warlords have to stay in line with Stalin's "suggestions", should they take the communist path. What about the off chance of Trotsky taking control of the Soviet Union? Either through player intervention or just sheer luck? Would Trotsky behave the same as Stalin in terms of dictating the revolution? Would he have different requirements to stay in his good graces? Or would he take a more hands off approach?
 

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When you switch focus trees as a warlord, do you pick up where the former 'holder' of the focus tree left off or start again from scratch? (As that would be a lot of catch up)
 

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Hopefully we some similar NF tree for the axis puppets, would be nice to give them more of a personal touch.
 

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My concern is that 100 PP cost is pretty high for border skirmishes, when Germany can create a war goal and conquer the Netherlands, and get all it's colonies for free, for 50pp.

Border skirmishes should be cheaper than wars, and should be costed at like 50 political power. Otherwise, as a warlord, you could end up sinking all your PP into taking over China and be really behind in filling the cabinet, or getting good laws.

But if you win the border skirmish, you gain PP, so you just have to invest your political power into skirmishes you would probably win.
 

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And the warlords were feudal lords. They would never become Democratic or Communist!

They were not feudal lords(in the central plain), they were authorized by ROC government, mind you:)
 

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My concern is that 100 PP cost is pretty high for border skirmishes, when Germany can create a war goal and conquer the Netherlands, and get all it's colonies for free, for 50pp.

Border skirmishes should be cheaper than wars, and should be costed at like 50 political power. Otherwise, as a warlord, you could end up sinking all your PP into taking over China and be really behind in filling the cabinet, or getting good laws.

This is literally the story of China from 1917 to 1928.
 

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I hope many of these mechanics with border wars and and uprisings are available to all nations as well as only working for mechanics specific to some nations would be counter-productive.

I don’t like the idea of a China focus at this point honestly, you have the pacific theater, the Africa and Middle East theatre that had a lot of importance in the course of the war and are largely forgotten.

It took 8 years for the combined forces of Allies to take out Japan and it’s puppets at 1950 on my last save, that says something about where you should be focusing the most now.

Oh and Diplomacy is still largely none existent, I don’t see why a peace deal option isn’t available before somebody has fully capitulated.
 

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[STARES ANGRILY IN ZHENJIANG]

While Shanxi produce mature vinegar, Zhenjiang is famous for its aromatic vinegar.

My personal favorite is Kashgar vinegar:)
 

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So many false flag operations to choose from. Wherever should an aspiring warlord start? :p
 

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