EU4: El Dorado - Development Diary 2: The Nation Designer | Page 27

ShinEmperor · Feb 10, 2015

I am pumped about this DLC... back in 2012 I was hoping for this feature...

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?651378-Custom-Nation-DLC-Idea/page2

Bringing this thread back from the dead. Custom Nation Creator for EU4.

The idea is really simple, the play click a small "Create Nation" icon.

Then the world opens up in front of the player. You then select the provinces that will be a part of your nation. Then you name your King and your heir (if you so choose you can name a lot more or have it randomly done from the culture group you're about the choose). You pick your accepted culture group, then your religion both without restriction. So yes, a Confucian British Isles, is possible. Next your government from the available "early game" governments. Then you pick from a bunch of flag "templates" with random symbols and an assortment of colors, much like the CK2 shields. You then pick your tech group.Then, you play. All the provinces in your nation will be of that culture/religion. The Unique idea group will simply come from the culture you pick.

Couple things to note. It's ok if it "break balance and isn't historical" it's not meant to be. It's meant to be an option for players to write their own history using something they create for themselves.

That was from 2013... my last post in the thread... and the best part... is the current nation designer is BETTER than I initially imagined... Thank you PARADOX!!! I've been waiting two years for this!!

ShinEmperor · Feb 10, 2015

Sorry for the double post. But I would at least like to put this here so that Wiz sees it.

In the completely "random" scenarios or in the instance of the blank earth with only custom nations, would it be possible to have an "ignore time" feature? I think it would be amazing for multiplayer... like 10-20 friends... giving them the time to establish themselves and then build a history... and maybe.. (I know wishful thinking) but run an algorithm to "fit" the techs into that time line... I think it would be amazing for multiplayer.

I would like to say... I know you guys don't like the idea... but extending the timeline (in either direction) would be a feature that seriously compliments this DLC. The idea of being able to converts a CK2 scenarios, pull back the timeline, scale tech to fit the new timeline... and now we're off to the races...

Destinyfaker · Feb 10, 2015

ShinEmperor said:
Sorry for the double post. But I would at least like to put this here so that Wiz sees it.

In the completely "random" scenarios or in the instance of the blank earth with only custom nations, would it be possible to have an "ignore time" feature? I think it would be amazing for multiplayer... like 10-20 friends... giving them the time to establish themselves and then build a history... and maybe.. (I know wishful thinking) but run an algorithm to "fit" the techs into that time line... I think it would be amazing for multiplayer.

I would like to say... I know you guys don't like the idea... but extending the timeline (in either direction) would be a feature that seriously compliments this DLC. The idea of being able to converts a CK2 scenarios, pull back the timeline, scale tech to fit the new timeline... and now we're off to the races...

there is a mod 1 mb big i think that lets you play to 9999 you dont need to start your game with the mod you can just add it later on

Wagonlitz · Feb 10, 2015

Prince Ivan V said:
True. It still would be cool to see them though. I disagree about it being pure fiction, however. Many discoveries were made accidentally and someone went back later to colonize it. History is filled with lots of what ifs, even craxy ones like letting the Hittites remain their own nation even after the advent of Rome and the Huns. But it is however HIGHLY implausable, yes, that a culture could stay unchanged for more than four thousand years. Even some of today's most static cultures aren't that old.

Sure Hittites could perhaps have survived, but then there would be so many butterflies you couldn't count them. Though in the random world it is up in the air anyway.

With regard to discoveries yes then some things were discovered early---like the Greeks had toy steam machines, but they never scaled to production size, since slaves were cheap. Though the discovery of the Americas simply isn't possible. As mentioned a stray ship might have crossed the Atlantic, but there is no way they would have been able to get back the other way because of the way the trade winds works. Though I guess they supposedly could have set up colonies in the southern parts of Africa---still really unlikely---since they supposedly sent explorers around Africa; or at least there are stories claiming so.

f1nalstand17 · Feb 11, 2015

Excuse me if this question has already been asked and answered, but will the nation-designer also work with the conversion of a CKII game to EU4?

TheDarkMaster · Feb 11, 2015

f1nalstand17 said:
Excuse me if this question has already been asked and answered, but will the nation-designer also work with the conversion of a CKII game to EU4?

It will, but you won't be able to edit the converted nations. You can only make new ones.

f1nalstand17 · Feb 11, 2015

TheDarkMaster said:
It will, but you won't be able to edit the converted nations. You can only make new ones.

Ok great, thank you.

Camtheman · Feb 11, 2015

Sure Hittites could perhaps have survived, but then there would be so many butterflies you couldn't count them. Though in the random world it is up in the air anyway.

With regard to discoveries yes then some things were discovered early---like the Greeks had toy steam machines, but they never scaled to production size, since slaves were cheap. Though the discovery of the Americas simply isn't possible. As mentioned a stray ship might have crossed the Atlantic, but there is no way they would have been able to get back the other way because of the way the trade winds works. Though I guess they supposedly could have set up colonies in the southern parts of Africa---still really unlikely---since they supposedly sent explorers around Africa; or at least there are stories claiming so.

I can hardly wait to play as future/theoretical/current Supra-national union entities, European Union, North American Union, Union of South American Nations...

Gonna be funsauce, and nobody will be able to say they wont exist. Hehe.

I mean, there already is a regional union in history and in game, the United Provinces of Central America.

ultrarobprime · Feb 12, 2015

Does the Nation Designer version of the Norse religion have personal deities?

hajutze · Feb 12, 2015

Out of pure curiosity - in which modes can you form the formable nations (for example can you form prussia in random ?)

Oceanflex · Feb 12, 2015

hajutze said:
Out of pure curiosity - in which modes can you form the formable nations (for example can you form prussia in random ?)

Most formable nations are cultural unions, and require you to have a spesific primary culture/group and own spesific provinces. I'd assume you could form prussia in any mode, so long as your primary culture is Prussia, Pomeranian, or Saxon (and swapped to protestant/reformed) and you own the three peovinces required. Because the provinces still have the same name, I'd assume it's fine.

Nephilia · Feb 12, 2015

Sorry if this has already been asked, but is it possible to create a game with only one in the entire world? I ask because I have for a long time been thinking of writing a mod that would do just that, you start off with one province and a colonist and nothing else, no other countries. The goal is to colonise the entire planet before the game ends. So, is that possible with the Nation Designer?

Oceanflex · Feb 12, 2015

ultrarobprime said:
Does the Nation Designer version of the Norse religion have personal deities?

Yup. Very Similar to Hinduism AFAIK.

Nephilia said:
Sorry if this has already been asked, but is it possible to create a game with only one in the entire world? I ask because I have for a long time been thinking of writing a mod that would do just that, you start off with one province and a colonist and nothing else, no other countries. The goal is to colonise the entire planet before the game ends. So, is that possible with the Nation Designer?

Yes, in the "Empty" mode, only nations you design are in the game, and everything else is uncolonised. Every nation has a colonist, just like everyone has a Missionary. You can make only one country and press go if you want.

Nephilia · Feb 12, 2015

Thank you! This is going to be awesome!

hajutze · Feb 13, 2015

Oceanflex said:
Most formable nations are cultural unions, and require you to have a spesific primary culture/group and own spesific provinces. I'd assume you could form prussia in any mode, so long as your primary culture is Prussia, Pomeranian, or Saxon (and swapped to protestant/reformed) and you own the three peovinces required. Because the provinces still have the same name, I'd assume it's fine.

The idea is that when El Dorado gets released some hosts will surely make a game for custom nations.
Make the capital in Kahketi (persian trade node, the only european province in it). Since the capital is in Europe I can get western tech cheaply
Culture - Persian
Religion - Shia
Merchant republic (or any form of republic, still thinking about that part)
0/0/0 ruler (can survive for 4 years on 0/0/0)
The shittiest NIs out there
All the other points are going for lands (those needed to form Persia as soon as the game starts + most of qara/timurids that ARE NOT the other Persian cores or the claims you get after forming Persia)

As soon as we start -> Form Persia. Get the decent NIs. Get cores and claims on most of what's left of Timurids (if the game is not on random, if it is .. well you still get them)
After 4 years -> Elect a better ruler

Works the same with Mughals but you need to pay more for western tech
Works with Romania I guess
Italy too
etc. etc.

Pretty much will be my to-go strategy for such MP games. One can survive with the morale from Republics (or 5% discipline from absolute monarchy if you go with 0/0/0 king and heir both old), morale from shia and 5% discipline from Persia. There is no need to overkill it >.>

Mostly everybody else will start with OP NIs and 2-3 provinces - think of Brandenburg. Half of them will get eliminated before 1600s ...

chrnno · Feb 13, 2015

hajutze said:
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Once again Custom Nations keep their ideas even when forming nations that change NI so that strategy won't work.

hajutze · Feb 13, 2015

Sad sad.
Still one can take a border-european province for cheap tech. 0/0/0 ruler with any form of republic and some of the other stuff. You still get the cores and claims, so that's good too >.>.

Wagonlitz · Feb 13, 2015

Camtheman said:
I can hardly wait to play as future/theoretical/current Supra-national union entities, European Union, North American Union, Union of South American Nations...

Gonna be funsauce, and nobody will be able to say they wont exist. Hehe.

I mean, there already is a regional union in history and in game, the United Provinces of Central America.

If you quote me then please don't remove my name. It makes it harder to realise you are discussing with me quoting practice.

Whatever you do in your personal copy is your business. Though PI shouldn't spend time on implementing highly flavourised ASB. Yes we have the UPCA in the very end of the game, but if you take a look they aren't a supranational entity; they are a colony which declared independence and later broke up. And they weren't that big. Would you call Yugoslavia a supranational entity? Because they are quite similar to them in that they too were small and later broke up in several smaller states.
And things like a European Union or South American union (though that might be more feasible) isn't really possible---at least not until the very end of the game (and still a European Union wasn't feasible). There was a reason Karl V broke the Habsburg domains in two and gave his brother the HRE; it simply wasn't really possible to effectively govern such a vast empire. And you would need to be really really decentralised, since when a request might take months to reach your capital and a reply take the same time your governors will need to be able to act independently on several issues.

Pyske · Feb 13, 2015

Please forgive me if this has already been answered somewhere and I have overlooked it, but:

How will custom nations handle starting idea groups for later start dates?

With non-custom nations there are specific idea groups pre-scripted for later starts, correct? Will all custom nations take the same idea groups? Will the player be allowed to select idea groups during design? Or in game (and if so how does this handicap for monarch points already spent by competing historical nations)?

Thanks much!

hajutze · Feb 14, 2015

Are certain government forms tied to tech-types ? (nomad with nomad, tribal with american and etc)

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