EU4: El Dorado - Development Diary 1: Nahuatl, Exploration & Treaty of Tordesillas | Page 18

Neoton · Jan 23, 2015

penco said:
They might as well introduce an event for Christian nations where Jesus swoops in and establishes the Millennial Kingdom.

Best idea ever!

HerrStarr · Jan 23, 2015

Ok, despite many problems with patches that are in part understandable, PDI really cares about fanbase.
Thanks.

Astartes88 · Jan 23, 2015

Will there be new achievements?

Lamahorse · Jan 23, 2015

Any mechanic to replicate the arrival of European diseases in America?

Can you capture any conquistadors to sacrifice to the Gods?

Will there be any further development on Orthodoxy, Miaphyte and Coptic? I'd really like a development of some Russian/Ottoman rivalry over the Balkans should Byzantium collapse.

oblio- · Jan 23, 2015

Lamahorse said:
Any mechanic to replicate the arrival of European diseases in America?

Yes, yes, let's add an event to lower Native American province manpower by 80% when they meet Europeans. Permanently.
That sure sounds like fun! (It doesn't.)

VolitionNewlove · Jan 23, 2015

oblio- said:
Yes, yes, let's add an event to lower Native American province manpower by 80% when they meet Europeans. Permanently.
That sure sounds like fun! (It doesn't.)

So it's better that the game instead portrays the regions as if they've already lost 80% of their population in the first place?

Freudia · Jan 23, 2015

Pte Baldrick said:
So it's better that the game instead portrays the regions as if they've already lost 80% of their population in the first place?

Is it a good idea to have every nation on two continents be functionally dead?

salmanbabri · Jan 23, 2015

penco said:
Dude all I'm saying is that the Aztec religion should be implemented in such a way that it isn't just one big gimp. The Mesoamericans are already among the most difficult in the game, and this just makes them harder. You are just repeating over and over "But that's historical!"

Aztec religion starts with good bonuses & after reforming it will give even more bonuses & remove the doom mechanic. Doesn't sound bad to me compared to let's say Animism.

Secondly those playing as Meso-Americans are already looking for a great challenge. This isn't Age of Empires where every nation needs to be balanced perfectly. Aztecs were historically doomed basically due to their bad treatment of vassals & belief in superstitions such as Quitzacotl so the mechanic is quite fitting. Had Montezuma attacked Spaniards when he had the opportunity his empire might have survived for a bit longer.

Rubidium · Jan 23, 2015

IIWW said:
Authonomy? Sorties?
There is nice chance that AI would be able to handle it properly, but the concerns aren't unjustified.

I would not be surprised if AI gets a bonus reducing the rate of Doom growth, just to reduce the associated problems.

On the other hand, hopefully it can at least be made to be less likely to annex vassals, and it will probably blob much less than a human would, so less doom for that.

But yes, the AI is probably still Doomed.

Arilou · Jan 23, 2015

Freudia said:
Is it a good idea to have every nation on two continents be functionally dead?

Honestly, it would be fun to have you start as relatively prosperous, and then gradually (although still relatively quickly) getting hit with murder events.

kralex · Jan 23, 2015

Lamahorse said:
Any mechanic to replicate the arrival of European diseases in America?

That works both ways. Whoever discovers the Americas first brings back Syphilis, which then spreads across the world with manpower, morale and production efficiency damage until the end of the game (the disease did not become treatable until the early 20th century).

Edit: more generally, I think the other horsemen of the Apocalypse should have a bigger influence in the game. I'd say we got War down, but Pestilence (diseases) and Famine are woefully underrepresented.

Lamahorse · Jan 23, 2015

I'm hoping for some improved Civil War mechanics or internal mechanics for nations.

When a Civil War flares up between Royalists and Parliament; I want the annexed Scotland or Ireland to become actors somewhat (like in history).

Elin · Jan 23, 2015

Your idea about the new religion is not bad but honestly playing those south american civs... you may play them once but not more...

About totesillas i think it's really not well designed, you can do way better than a +10 -20

newtlord · Jan 23, 2015

So, the dev diary says that completing the reforms will allow you to westernize. Does that mean that these nations will be completely unable to westernize unless they jump through a (completely made up, highly convoluted, and slightly silly) series of hoops? I'm not sure I'm in favor of that.

TheBoozehammer · Jan 23, 2015

newtlord said:
So, the dev diary says that completing the reforms will allow you to westernize. Does that mean that these nations will be completely unable to westernize unless they jump through a (completely made up, highly convoluted, and slightly silly) series of hoops? I'm not sure I'm in favor of that.

I mean, North American natives and hordes have a similar requirement of something before westernization.

TheMeInTeam · Jan 23, 2015

TheBoozehammer said:
I mean, North American natives and hordes have a similar requirement of something before westernization.

Hordes and NA natives are only comparable in that they involve the word "reform", it stops after that.

This one is something else entirely too, and depending on how it is to keep doom reasonable they won't be nearly as gimpy and pathetically over-nerfed without justification as hordes.

Native councils pay in 2500 points/category for some temporary bonuses, then their "reform" is basically just a tech vault. When they're getting 6+ techs/category, they're actually teching for less significantly less MP investment than being western, with the tradeoff being a window of vulnerability, the fall-behind of westernizing at huge expense, and catching back up again. The reform aspect of this is almost purely positive, in stark contrast to hordes. Aztec is something in between, gaining a number of bonuses in addition to hoops. Depending on how it works in practice, you can look at that as an improvement, unlike every change made for hordes in the past year which has not only nerfed them, but made them progressively less fun and interesting to play as they've had flavor events siphoned away or nerfed and unique choices removed.

bbqftw · Jan 23, 2015

I'm not convinced there needs to be a requirement that religion be reformed to Westernize.

The Nahuatl reform bonuses are so powerful that converting to Christianity during Westernization (I would argue that these bonuses are even better than Reformed with all three focuses running) would be insanity unless you wanted to play PU/HRE games. Though I guess I am making an assumption that such an option would still be presented during Westernization.

I think giving some choice in the matter - common Westernization path now (convert to Christianity - besides hoping you don't get dunked by colonial conquest its a fairly 'safe path'), or the much more risky but high-reward reform path - wouldn't necessarily be bad.

darcnyte54 · Jan 23, 2015

Wiz said:
The ruling family will be sacrificed, killing your ruling monarch and heir and replacing them with a 0/0/0 ruler.

Dont know if someone has mentioned this, but what a great way to get the Die Please Die achievement.

ehecatzin · Jan 23, 2015

Lowcast said:
Just rename the religion to Teotl please - naming it 'Nahuatl' is like naming Catholicism 'Latin' and Islam 'Arabic.'

This

Hopefully its not too late to change this.

klopkr · Jan 23, 2015

Are these aztec reformations and doom meter actually based on anything historic or just popculture? Did they ever really sacrifice their leaders?

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