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EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

Welcome all to today’s dev diary, where I’ll be covering the long-awaited Iberian and North African map update coming in the 1.28 ‘Spain’ update.

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Nations released for the sake of example


As things currently stand, though as always things are subject to change before release, Iberia consists of 571 development over 63 provinces. This includes the Macaronesia area but now excludes Labourd, which has been returned to the French region.

In Aragon, the distinction between the Kingdom of Aragon, the Kingdom of Valencia, and the Principality of Catalonia has become more pronounced. Tarragona is now rightly in the Catalonia area, and the province of Valencia has been split so that Castello and Xativa have become separate provinces. Valencia itself has the potential to be a very rich city indeed, as the player’s actions can lead to it becoming a major producer of silk. The three major Balearic Islands have become provinces in and of themselves, linked together by a strait and comprising their own Area.

Likewise, Galicia has seen itself grow from 1 province to 4, and now has an Area all to itself.

Portugal and Granada have been gifted one additional province each: Aveiro and Malaga respectively.

Last but not least, many citizens of Navarra are looking a little confused as they wonder where their coastline has gone. Wedged between major powers and with no immediate means of escape over the ocean, Navarra will be a very challenging nation in 1.28.

New releasable nations:

Valencia: The Kingdom of Valencia was a major constituent part of the Crown of Aragon in 1444. In 1.28 the former kingdom of El Cid will be a releasable nation.

Asturias: The Kingdom of Asturias ceased to exist long before our start date, but it nicely fills the absence of releasable nations in the region.

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I’ve also taken another look at North Africa. Here we can see several new provinces along the coast, including those belonging to new nations that can emerge during the game.

The province of Demnate allows a route through the Atlas mountains; a convenient shortcut and potentially a deadly choke-point.

The Canary Islands have been split between Gran Canaria and Tenerife to represent the somewhat incomplete Castilian conquest and colonization of the islands.

For the masochists among you who play as Granada, they now have a core on the province on Ceuta.

New releasable nations:

Salé and Tétouan: Home to some of the most infamous Barbary Pirates, these nations will be releasable in 1444, and may emerge dynamically in the course of the game in the style of Habsan.

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Finally, I’ve made some minor changes to the eastern Maghreb. The province of Kairwan has been added for Tunis, and the addition of Sabha has allowed a more aesthetic redrawing of Fezzan’s borders.

That’s all for today. Next week, @Groogy will reveal some of the new features coming in the as yet unnamed Immersion pack to be released alongside 1.28.
 
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I thino we should stop equating population with wealth. Castile was decently populated, but mostly poor. And it remained so (like pretty much all of Iberia with few exceptions). The money and wealth of Spanish kings usually came from elsewhere. And it was also spent elsewhere.
Castille was not that poor. Well it was behind France and Italy, that's true, but when compared to the rest of Europe that was not the case
 

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Castille was not that poor. Well it was behind France and Italy, that's true, but when compared to the rest of Europe that was not the case

It was behind almost all of Europe, if we are going to trust the same kind of estimates you've been using for population
 

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Yeah, the Pyrenees should all be 15 dev Gold provinces with level 6 forts.

They should be poor as hell and difficult to develop provinces, but not impossible to move through north-south as they are right now. There is a reason why Felipe II spent a fortune fortifying them.
 

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Yeah, the Pyrenees should all be 15 dev Gold provinces with level 6 forts.
You're contributing nothing to this discussion; we're not the rabid Iberia-fanboys you think we are. Most people here have a moderate view of things; It's Iberia's turn, so it better be a nice update. Province-density is almost perfect, it only needs 2 more or something as well as some small fixes here and there, but most of us agree that it shouldn't be too much either.

We've almost hit that sweetspot, almost.
 
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Personally I just want them to replace Aveiro with Braga and Setubal, correct the sea zone name, add salt and *maybe* think about separating Lisbon from Setubal (to be possible to block by sea).

I dont think its that much. :confused:
 

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It was behind almost all of Europe, if we are going to trust the same kind of estimates you've been using for population
Ok, it was behind some of Europe (but not all of it, don't forget Eastern Europe, the Steppes, even the British Isles) and also had a larger GDP per capita than France in 1500. But it was not a wasteland either like the game portrays
 

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Poland and Hungary were definitely ahead of Iberia at the commencement of EU4’s timeline.
Uhm, no? Poland had only a few cities with more than 10.000 people.
 

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Ok, it was behind some of Europe (but not all of it, don't forget Eastern Europe, the Steppes, even the British Isles) and also had a larger GDP per capita than France in 1500. But it was not a wasteland either like the game portrays

Estimated GDP per capita in Castile in 1500, the equivalent of 660 dollars of today. England: 715. So yes, even behind England. And Sweden. And Austria. The list goes on.
 

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That hasn't happended even in the darkest days of Spain, much less during its Golden Age

Spain during its golden age was poor as a rat. You just need to read Cervantes or Quevedo to realise that. Again: I think we're mixing the territory of what today is Spain with the wealth of its monarchs
 

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Spain during its golden age was poor as a rat. You just need to read Cervantes or Quevedo to realise that. Again: I think we're mixing the territory of what today is Spain with the wealth of its monarchs
Well, GDP per capita is not equal to life quality. However I think is a good parameter for quantifying dev
 

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Not to be contrarian, but the more the you guys talk about provincial wealth, the less on point the discussion becomes cause the province divisions are also about representation and strategic routing lol. You'll just bait Iberia haters otherwise.
 

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Sorry I couldn’t help myself... well I guess I’m happy you guys got what you asked for. I just never got why the area was considered underdeveloped. Catholicism sucks, I’ll give you that.
I think the reason so many of us are upset and/or baffled is because we are getting something rather different from what we expected. Nobody asked for Ibiza and Menorca, nobody thought that the next province to be added to Portugal should be Aveiro, and we hoped that since it is so easy to verify, that province names, city locations, etc. would be placed correctly (and as @Mingmung has shown in detail, they weren't). The British Isles got 20 new provinces in their ImmPack, the current map for the Iberia ImmPack adds 15 to Iberia, do you really think it is that unreasonable for us to suggest that Paradox could add 1 or 2 provinces to Portugal and 3 or 4 to Castile (and maybe drop 1 of the Baleares from Aragon)?
 

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Well, GDP per capita is not equal to life quality. However I think is a good parameter for quantifying dev

It's actually PPP, so yes, it is the perfect measure for quality of life.
 

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Not to be contrarian, but the more the you guys talk about provincial wealth, the less on point the discussion becomes cause the province divisions are also about representation and strategic routing lol. You'll just bait Iberia haters otherwise.

Well, having some of the most populated areas of Spain as big and ugly provinces goes against strategy and representation. In my suggestion I actually tried to have more balanced sizes for the provinces (instead of having 4 tiny Valencian provinces and 3 island in Baleares versus those gargantuan Badajoz, Cáceres and Toledo, that were also way more populated)
 

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I think the reason so many of us are upset and/or baffled is because we are getting something rather different from what we expected. Nobody asked for Ibiza and Menorca, nobody thought that the next province to be added to Portugal should be Aveiro, and we hoped that since it is so easy to verify, that province names, city locations, etc. would be placed correctly (and as @Mingmung has shown in detail, they weren't). The British Isles got 20 new provinces in their ImmPack, the current map for the Iberia ImmPack adds 15 to Iberia, do you really think it is that unreasonable for us to suggest that Paradox could add 1 or 2 provinces to Portugal and 3 or 4 to Castile (and maybe drop 1 of the Baleares from Aragon)?

Couldnt agree more.
 

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It's actually PPP, so yes, it is the perfect measure for quality of life.

Well, I haven't researched how the quality of life in Spain was compared to other countries, but I think it is irrelevant in that game. If it Eu4 had some sort of happiness system like Stellaris, perhaps it would be necessary to consider.
 
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