EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

[Afonso de Albuquerque]

Well, let's be fully honest here: the sole reason Portugal was not conquered outright by whoever is that pretty much nobody, except in very specific occasions, had any interest in doing so since the late 1600s. And even then, it wasn't realy conquest that was the goal of the very few invasions that Portugal has suffered.

So when the Spanish and French invaded in the mid 1700s and again in the early 1800s, they didn't actually want to conquer Portugal? The plans they had made to divide the land between them were fiction?

 

[Franciscus123]

All very nice. But the fact is: nobody tried. Which I see as a clear indicator that they weren't really interested.

And no one tried per say to conquer Spain at some points, does not meant they would not have if they could.

 

[Barón Rojo]

Granada is the one that lasted 10 years of war until it was conquered, and it only has one fort in the capital, which can be reached right away from Castille.

 

[El Overlord]

@Franciscus123, @Afonso de Albuquerque, @tommassi.

We are talking about EU4, a game where the Aztecs can conquer Europe if you play well with them (sunset invasion).

Let's not start unproductive fights.

 

[Franciscus123]

@Franciscus123, @Afonso de Albuquerque, @tommassi.

We are talking about EU4, a game where the Aztecs can conquer Europe if you play well with them (sunset invasion).

Let's not start unproductive fights.

Just countering his point. But yes true ahaha

 

[Thrudgelmir2333]

If after the late 1600s there was no interest in conquering Portugal, then Manuel de Godoy and Napoleon Bonaparte really must have been a couple of strange characters.

 

[Neonite]

Can we get a Balkan update please? I know its the land of savages and that we take the longest to get with the times or updates in this case. Please dont disappoint.

 

[gigau]

Reminder : remain civil and avoid antagonsing your fellow forum members.

 

[Ornlu Wolfjarl]

You've revamped Spain and North Africa twice in the past year, but we are still waiting for the much-needed Balkan renovation. Not complaining about this update, but please make the Balkans your next focus. The situation there seriously needs to improve, so we can finally see some colour other than purple or vomit green in our games over there.


Somehow I know DDRJake is lobbying the rest of the team to stop any developments going on in the Balkans

 

[navaluiki]

You've revamped Spain and North Africa twice in the past year, but we are still waiting for the much-needed Balkan renovation. Not complaining about this update, but please make the Balkans your next focus. The situation there seriously needs to improve, so we can finally see some colour other than purple or vomit green in our games over there.


Somehow I know DDRJake is lobbying the rest of the team to stop any developments going on in the Balkans

The last time Iberia was updated was 2 years ago and they only added Évora to Portugal.
Spain itself did not have any new provinces since June of 2015 with Common Sense ( since then only a couple of provinces redrawn at the end of that year if remember correctly, but no new ones).

But that does not mean I don't think the Balkans don't need any attention. In fact, I think the should work there ASAP

 

[Francisco Augusto]

From @neondt 's response to making a fort in Malbork

TO already has a very high fort density. In the current setup I wouldn't add another fort. But perhaps if/when the region gets a map update it would be worth considering representing the historical fortifications better.

Why not apply the same reasoning for Portugal?

 

[Geverk]

I was checking the actual trade resource at the Canary islands, sugar, its fine and it was one of the most useful products not only for alcohol but also to filter seawater for the ships.
but now that your separating it into 2 provinces I will suggest give more variety.

the wine of lazarote was a few times mention by Shakespeare: https://www.lanzaroteguidebook.com/news/features/details-228/canary-connections-william-shakespeare or http://www.lanzaroteinformation.com/content/shakespeare-canary-islands

but not really the most important, you should check the dye: "The first period of the conquest of the Canaries was carried out by the Norman nobles Jean de Bethencourt and Gadifer de la Salle. Their motives were basically economic: Bethencourt possessed textile factories and dye works and the Canaries offered a source of dyes such as the orchil lichen." wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Canary_Islands this orchils was incredible valuable since it can be used to produce purple (the emperors color)

And lately, with the discovery of America the red dye, that still been used at food or cosmetic for red carmin, and at old times the color for bishops and many others high position people. So it was a strong part of the economy.

As a last option, in the Canary Islands there are abundant wood with a fire proof very strong core called tea, from the local pinus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_canariensis, this wood was a good material for ships construction and reparation and also from his resine "la pez" or at lating the pix, really useful to waterproof the the ships hull.

 

[Metz]

Portugal could easily have 10 provinces on the mainland and counting North Africa, the Azores, and Madeira bringing up the total number to a well deserved 13.

Castile however is the one that really deserves the chopping knife.

 

[Rivenan]

Look nice

 

[Anarchya]

Portugal could easily have 10 provinces on the mainland and counting North Africa, the Azores, and Madeira bringing up the total number to a well deserved 13.

Castile however is the one that really deserves the chopping knife.

Portugal should have 15! 13 on mainland + Madeira and Açores...
Braga; Bragança; Porto; Aveiro; Coimbra; "Beira"; Leiria; Lisboa; Évora; Elvas; Setúbal; Beja; Algarve; Açores and Madeira!

 

[jrgen3]

No one invaded england in EU4 period, why do they have 30 provinces? 1 big 200 dev province is more than enough by your ideas...
No one invaded Norway in EU4, why do they have 10 provinces?
Mate your argument is just outright sad, as others explained, portugal had around 7 european wars against Castille/Spain and France, 3 offensive, 4 defensive. I know its not a lot, but also fought a lot in India, Brazil, Africa, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, China, Arabia, etc...
Most of the portuguese wars was outside portuguese mainland, but so did England...
Ireland for sure was not more important than Portugal in eu4 period and still they are smaller in area and have more procinces...

Thats a lot of disrespect from you, if you don't know portuguese history, don't comment at all.

England was invaded in EUIV's time period. Multiple times if I recall correctly, but the most well known is the Glorious Revolution, where William of Orange (Stadtholder of Dutch Republic) overthrew the king and placed himself on the throne.
Norway was also invaded multiple times by Sweden. They even took 3 of the provinces Norway has in 1444 (1 was given back shortly after the conquest). Sweden even lost a king trying to siege down a Norwegian fort (Charles XII/Carolus Rex). The last Swedish invasion of Norway was when Norway ignored the Treaty of Kiel in 1814 and declared independence, prompting Sweden to invade and place it under a PU.
However, that does not mean Portugal has enough provinces. I would definitely support more provinces in Portugal. I was surprised they only got 1 new province. I probably would have made it 11 or 12 on the mainland. Perhaps something like this (ignore the rest of the map; it's from an old mod that's not been updated since 1.11):

Spoiler

 

[navaluiki]

England was invaded in EUIV's time period. Multiple times if I recall correctly, but the most well known is the Glorious Revolution, where William of Orange (Stadtholder of Dutch Republic) overthrew the king and placed himself on the throne.
Norway was also invaded multiple times by Sweden. They even took 3 of the provinces Norway has in 1444 (1 was given back shortly after the conquest). Sweden even lost a king trying to siege down a Norwegian fort (Charles XII/Carolus Rex). The last Swedish invasion of Norway was when Norway ignored the Treaty of Kiel in 1814 and declared independence, prompting Sweden to invade and place it under a PU.
However, that does not mean Portugal has enough provinces. I would definitely support more provinces in Portugal. I was surprised they only got 1 new province. I probably would have made it 11 or 12 on the mainland. Perhaps something like this (ignore the rest of the map; it's from an old mod that's not been updated since 1.11):

Spoiler

I agree, Portugal (and Central Spain too) deserves more provinces. And the map of Portugal you posted is surprisingly similar to the one I proposed in my suggestion thread

 

[Franciscus123]

No one invaded england in EU4 period, why do they have 30 provinces? 1 big 200 dev province is more than enough by your ideas...
No one invaded Norway in EU4, why do they have 10 provinces?
Mate your argument is just outright sad, as others explained, portugal had around 7 european wars against Castille/Spain and France, 3 offensive, 4 defensive. I know its not a lot, but also fought a lot in India, Brazil, Africa, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, China, Arabia, etc...
Most of the portuguese wars was outside portuguese mainland, but so did England...
Ireland for sure was not more important than Portugal in eu4 period and still they are smaller in area and have more procinces...

Thats a lot of disrespect from you, if you don't know portuguese history, don't comment at all.

Just leave it be. It has already been settled.

Edit: Now that is a good province setup for Portugal

 

[fender]

Coat of arms of Fernando El Católico after the year 1512:

Based on this coat of arms I made this banner with a hypothetical inclusion of Portugal for a unified Iberian peninsula:

 

[RaccoonCity]

The reason why wee need the Burgundy Cross as flag of Spain is so we don't need to worry about what Coats of Arms are in the flag...