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Welcome to another development diary about Europa Universalis. Now we are very close to the announcement of the new expansion that we aim to release in June... If Frö smiles upon us....

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We have switched around what we will talk about in the development diaries for now, so today we’ll instead talk about Peace!

But first of all, lets talk about a feature that is something that some have requested..

Return Province!
Sometimes you have taken a province that is the core of a rival, or someone who do not want to buy the province, or even talk to you as you are so evil.. Not that we would ever be warmongering-alliance-breaking-world-conquerers..


Now you can just return the province to any state that has it as a core. You will lose some Agressive Expansion and prestige, but it will definitely reduce the chance of them attacking you in the short-term.


Peace Overhaul

This is obviously something that is in the accomanying patch.

First of all, we removed the treaty called annex.




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Well, instead we are now able to target every province an enemy own, so taking all provinces is an annexation.

You will also always be able to demand the capital in a peace treaty, and you also do not need to occupy territory to demand it in peace, however unoccupied territory is more expensive to claim.

Revoking cores will no longer cost diplomatic power.

Diplomatic Power Cost, War Score Costs and Prestige gain for each province now scale with the province’s development, instead of being fixed costs.

Overextension and Agressive Expansion also looks at development instead of base tax.

And finally, you’ll be able to demand gold even while “annexing”.

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Charles V.

Habsburg by the chin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor

First King of Spain, Austria, Low Countries and Holy Roman Emperor.

King of Spain 1516-1556; Roman Emperor, King of Germany and King of Italy 1519-1556; Archduke of Austria 1519-1521; King of Naples 1516-1554; Lord of the Netherlands and Duke of Burgundy 1506-1555

People should stop pretending that there was a long PU betrween Spain and Austria, it lasted a whole 2 years. And Charles V. was a rather shoddy emperor in fact, plating the seeds which would escalate into war about a century later.
 
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King of Spain 1516-1556, Roman Emperor, King of Germany and King of Italy 1519-1556, Archduke of Austria 1519-1521, King of Naples 1516-1554, Lord of the Netherlands and Duke of Burgundy 1506-1555

People should stop pretending that there was a long PU betrween Spain and Austria, it lasted a whole 2 years. And Charles V. was a rather shoddy emperor in fact, plating the seeds which would escalate into war about a century later.

Yeah, but that armour though. :)
 
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Also, about partitioning... I don't immediately see a method to choose who gets what in the peace deal.

So either each province will get listed once for each participant in the war (should be fun with coalitions...) or you'll have to make due with the handing over of sieges.

Which then doesn't mesh with the claim that you can annex provinces you didn't siege.


So, Paradox, how would one go about giving a non-sieged province to someone else in the peace deal?
 
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I dont really understand that dev diary. Alot of grammatical errors there.
Declaration of peace mechanic changes are nice, but the lead-in comment was quite misleading
 
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But still, think about this. France in HYW. I think correct peace deal for France will be to take Welsh land for example and not touch lands on the continent, because England can't defend them. Then again DOW for Normandy for example and again...

It's already what you should do as France. Grab Normady or Caux and get England to release Welsh minors and diplovassalize them. Same end result, no AE. And once you have enough Welsh land, begin proper invasion of England with French doomstacks already on England.
 
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Pirate fleets should be allowed to hunt down transports... That way, France's doomstack might not be able to cross the Channel
 
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Hello, since you're overhauling peace mechanics, do you have any plan for the following issues;

Are you planning to fix casus bellis so that they finally work for co-belligerents in a war? For example, I have claims in both Country A and Country B who are allies. I declare on A and call B as co-belligerent. Why does it cost diplo points to take claimed provices from co-belligerents in a seperate peace?

Will you fix that war leader allies in a war only 10% of the time gives you your occupied claims in peace deals and they don't get a negative opinion modifier if they don't.

Will you fix PP when conquering provinces for your vassals. For example, if I conquer 10 provinces from my rival but transfer occupation to my vassal before the peace deal, I get no PP. However, if I conquer it for myself and sell it to my vassal one by one for the following 10 months I'll get the huge PP bonus. Isn't this weird???

Are you planning to finally consolidate vassal CBs with the overlords? For example if both my vassal and I have claims in a country, and I declare war with one of my claims as the war goal, conquering vassal's claims cost diplo points even if I transfer occupation. However, if I choose one of my vassal's claims as the war goal, conquering my claims for myself doesn't cost diplo points.

CB modifiers doesn't work when using vassals CB. For example if I conquer a vassals claim with Conquest CB, I suffer the full AE not 75%.

All of there issues reported several times since Art of War.
 
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Hello, since you're overhauling peace mechanics, do you have any plan for the following issues;

Are you planning to fix casus bellis so that they finally work for co-belligerents in a war? For example, I have claims in both Country A and Country B who are allies. I declare on A and call B as co-belligerent. Why does it cost diplo points to take claimed provices from co-belligerents in a seperate peace?

Will you fix that war leader allies in a war only 10% of the time gives you your occupied claims in peace deals and they don't get a negative opinion modifier if they don't.

Will you fix PP when conquering provinces for your vassals. For example, if I conquer 10 provinces from my rival but transfer occupation to my vassal before the peace deal, I get no PP. However, if I conquer it for myself and sell it to my vassal one by one for the following 10 months I'll get the huge PP bonus. Isn't this weird???

Are you planning to finally consolidate vassal CBs with the overlords? For example if both my vassal and I have claims in a country, and I declare war with one of my claims as the war goal, conquering vassal's claims cost diplo points even if I transfer occupation. However, if I choose one of my vassal's claims as the war goal, conquering my claims for myself doesn't cost diplo points.

CB modifiers doesn't work when using vassals CB. For example if I conquer a vassals claim with Conquest CB, I suffer the full AE not 75%.

All of there issues reported several times since Art of War.

So much this.
 
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I need this so much...

This will make anyone's Muscovy playthrough so much easier (no more Novgorod exclaves)
 
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Well, instead we are now able to target every province an enemy own, so taking all provinces is an annexation.

You will also always be able to demand the capital in a peace treaty, and you also do not need to occupy territory to demand it in peace, however unoccupied territory is more expensive to claim.

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This is sooo good!
 
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In what wars can a nation get 50% warscore from battles and not be able to occupy lands? I think only England and Japan qualify here.

That happens in tough wars. Against the AI, if I win by a little, but fail to whipe them, sometimes they rebuild fast enough several times that I have no time to occupy anything (1/2 provinces sometimes). Or just trying to chew bigger than I can; say attacking a major power in an opportunistic war, sometimes they keep spawning merc; not faster than I can beat, but still enough to prevent me from sieging as I need to keep chasing those with my full army.

Otherwise, when I'm defending and there are many AI armies, I just move around, chase around siege stacks, sometimes commit suiciding to lift a siege too (ie I attack a small army, the AI reinforces with a big neighbouring army and cancels the siege); done properly I can almost end up with nothing occupied, but if I loose more than I win, or loose a few major engagements, I can be in the negative, especially with a show superiority wargoal.
 
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What's Charles doing with his left hand down there...
Itchy codpiece maybe?

You will also always be able to demand the capital in a peace treaty, and you also do not need to occupy territory to demand it in peace, however unoccupied territory is more expensive to claim.
But what I want to know is can you now fabricate a claim on the capital province if that's the only province you border? Like Georgia and Gazikumukh/Shirvan?
 
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