Welcome to another development diary about Europa Universalis. Now we are very close to the announcement of the new expansion that we aim to release in June... If Frö smiles upon us....

We have switched around what we will talk about in the development diaries for now, so today we’ll instead talk about Peace!

But first of all, lets talk about a feature that is something that some have requested..

Return Province!
Sometimes you have taken a province that is the core of a rival, or someone who do not want to buy the province, or even talk to you as you are so evil.. Not that we would ever be warmongering-alliance-breaking-world-conquerers..


Now you can just return the province to any state that has it as a core. You will lose some Agressive Expansion and prestige, but it will definitely reduce the chance of them attacking you in the short-term.


Peace Overhaul

This is obviously something that is in the accomanying patch.

First of all, we removed the treaty called annex.

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Well, instead we are now able to target every province an enemy own, so taking all provinces is an annexation.

You will also always be able to demand the capital in a peace treaty, and you also do not need to occupy territory to demand it in peace, however unoccupied territory is more expensive to claim.

Revoking cores will no longer cost diplomatic power.

Diplomatic Power Cost, War Score Costs and Prestige gain for each province now scale with the province’s development, instead of being fixed costs.

Overextension and Agressive Expansion also looks at development instead of base tax.

And finally, you’ll be able to demand gold even while “annexing”.

 

[Golladan]

Maybe somebody disagreed with the list... And you are the bad guy because of the disagreement system

Hey don't shoot the messenger!

 

[A-150]

*throws my money at the screen* Give it to me already! I NEED THIS DLC

Same Here

I WANT IT SO BAD! It's just what EU4 needed.

 

[Zelius]

Hey don't shoot the messenger!

Don't worry, I went back and balanced out your negative karma.

Back on topic, I hope the devs remember to balance Ming after the changes. I'm not a huge fan of the crippling autonomy nerf, but I can see its purpose and wouldn't want another fiasco on the scale of Japan -> instant liberty revolts.

 

[wingzero890]

As it should be imo, Britain never was a strong land force, mostly able to win vs natives or with their allies. They couldn't even handle their own colonie *cough* USA *cough*.

not sure if serious, trolling, or simply ignorant

 

[Metz]

Britain had a smaller army than other major European powers, but just like Sweden, the army was well drilled and led by good officers. Britain's strategy when ruling 1/4th of the world was to show invincibility through showing that they were always right in what they did. British officers could not embarass themselves infront of locals.

 

[klingonadmiral]

How is it that so many people can't recognize Charles V, he is literally the best Holy Roman Emperor/King of Spain ever, ever hear the Holy Roman Emperor or King of Spain mentioned in an important part of history that was likely Charles V, who was King of Spain during the time of Cortez and the wars in Mexico, Charles V, who was the Holy Roman Emperor who met Martin Luther at the Diet of Worms

Charles V was a shoddy Emperor.

Let's start with the election of 1519, were there where 3 likely candidates:

Charles V, House Habsburg, King of Spain and ruler of the Netherlands

Francis I, House Valois, King of France

Henry VIII, House Tudor, King of England (dark-horse candidate, but still not completely without chance)

(some elctors sought to elect Saxony to imperial honour, but he refused)

That presented the electors of the HRE with a dilemma: The HRE would fall under foreign rule, which hasn't happened so far in it's century-long history. Surely, originally the HRE was a super-national construct, but by 1519 it had been increasingly reduced to a Germano-centric policy. While Charles was a Habsburg, his primary language was French (being UDke of Burgundy does that), and to the prince-electors he was as much of a foreigner as Francis and Henry.

Now, how do foreign monarchs make electors vote for them? Money! Both Francis and Charles took huge loans from the Fuggers to bribe themselves into emperorship. However, Charles didn't stop there, he actually threatened military action if he wasn't elected. In the end he got what he wanted, but the cost was high.

See, the electors did not like being strong-armed into a vote, and it is rather likely that the two north german electors, Saxony and Brandenburg, became increasingly unruly because of Charles' methods of acquiring emperorship. Now, who sheltered Luther from Imperial wrath? Who started a small protestant league for protection against the emperor? The Elector of Saxony, of course. Brandenburg instead was more brooding, but becoming a kingdom and marching into Silesia are not signs of loyalty towards the empire.

Charles absolutely miss-handled the delicate internal politics of the Empire and the young reformation, and thus lay the foundation for the 30 years war.

 

[Will Steel]

Great, now Ming can historically conquer southern Manchuria as they did for a short time under Emperor Yongle in 1415, without having to go all the way to the north and reduce the tribes one by one.

 

[Damiani]

Charles V was a shoddy Emperor.

Let's start with the election of 1519, were there where 3 likely candidates:

Charles V, House Habsburg, King of Spain and ruler of the Netherlands

Francis I, House Valois, King of France

Henry VIII, House Tudor, King of England (dark-horse candidate, but still not completely without chance)

(some elctors sought to elect Saxony to imperial honour, but he refused)

That presented the electors of the HRE with a dilemma: The HRE would fall under foreign rule, which hasn't happened so far in it's century-long history. Surely, originally the HRE was a super-national construct, but by 1519 it had been increasingly reduced to a Germano-centric policy. While Charles was a Habsburg, his primary language was French (being UDke of Burgundy does that), and to the prince-electors he was as much of a foreigner as Francis and Henry.

Now, how do foreign monarchs make electors vote for them? Money! Both Francis and Charles took huge loans from the Fuggers to bribe themselves into emperorship. However, Charles didn't stop there, he actually threatened military action if he wasn't elected. In the end he got what he wanted, but the cost was high.

See, the electors did not like being strong-armed into a vote, and it is rather likely that the two north german electors, Saxony and Brandenburg, became increasingly unruly because of Charles' methods of acquiring emperorship. Now, who sheltered Luther from Imperial wrath? Who started a small protestant league for protection against the emperor? The Elector of Saxony, of course. Brandenburg instead was more brooding, but becoming a kingdom and marching into Silesia are not signs of loyalty towards the empire.

Charles absolutely miss-handled the delicate internal politics of the Empire and the young reformation, and thus lay the foundation for the 30 years war.

DON'T YOU DARE SPEAK ILL OF CHARLES AND HIS AWESOME CHIN

 

[Damiani]

DON'T YOU DARE SPEAK ILL OF CHARLES AND HIS AWESOME CHIN

Charles V was a shoddy Emperor.

Let's start with the election of 1519, were there where 3 likely candidates:

Charles V, House Habsburg, King of Spain and ruler of the Netherlands

Francis I, House Valois, King of France

Henry VIII, House Tudor, King of England (dark-horse candidate, but still not completely without chance)

(some elctors sought to elect Saxony to imperial honour, but he refused)

That presented the electors of the HRE with a dilemma: The HRE would fall under foreign rule, which hasn't happened so far in it's century-long history. Surely, originally the HRE was a super-national construct, but by 1519 it had been increasingly reduced to a Germano-centric policy. While Charles was a Habsburg, his primary language was French (being UDke of Burgundy does that), and to the prince-electors he was as much of a foreigner as Francis and Henry.

Now, how do foreign monarchs make electors vote for them? Money! Both Francis and Charles took huge loans from the Fuggers to bribe themselves into emperorship. However, Charles didn't stop there, he actually threatened military action if he wasn't elected. In the end he got what he wanted, but the cost was high.

See, the electors did not like being strong-armed into a vote, and it is rather likely that the two north german electors, Saxony and Brandenburg, became increasingly unruly because of Charles' methods of acquiring emperorship. Now, who sheltered Luther from Imperial wrath? Who started a small protestant league for protection against the emperor? The Elector of Saxony, of course. Brandenburg instead was more brooding, but becoming a kingdom and marching into Silesia are not signs of loyalty towards the empire.

Charles absolutely miss-handled the delicate internal politics of the Empire and the young reformation, and thus lay the foundation for the 30 years war.

Honestly what Charles had to deal with was absolutely impossible to manage. He had wars with both the French and the Ottomans, and we all have played EU4 so we know how bad a situation that is. Simultaneously the Schmalkaldic League was forming and giving him literal Hell. Truthfully he did mismanage Spain's economy but he was nothing in comparison to Devil-spawning, Nation murdering son of his, Phillip II.

 

[Panamaniacs]

7 Prestige for taking Paris?!? If you're going to overhaul prestige gain then you should make some cities (Paris, London, Rome, Constantinople etc or maybe just the top 5-10 most developed) worth a lot more when conquering in both AE and Prestige. If I'm Poland and I hear that the Ottomans took Dubrovnik from Venice I'd be concerned, but probably not enough to send Polish boys to die. If I hear that the Ottomans just annexed Vienna, well I'd be calling France, Spain and England to give it back to Austria. On the other hand, if the Ottomans did capture Vienna, that would go down as their greatest accomplishment since conquering Constantinople.

AKA huuuge prestige and huuge AE for conquering the world's most developed cities/the capitals of the world's greatest empires

 

[WhiskyGlen]

I don't like that if you succeed at defending your provinces but loose the battles, you can still be asked for 60+ WS worth. If a country can't occupy lands, it shouldn't be able to enforce its control over it in peace deal.

I believe the Germans after WWI would agree with you. They certainly lost more than 60% warscore as Danzig alone is very high warscore. All while still controlling foreign territory.

 

[WhiskyGlen]

Hell, EU4 has gone through more changes than the base game did compared to EU3.

That is my only problem here... Not with the update. I love these changes and the fort system is revolutionary. But, we paid for a full game which was essentially EU3 1/2. Now we get what 4 should have been for another... What? $20? $30?

 

[Beagá]

Charles V was a shoddy Emperor.

Let's start with the election of 1519, were there where 3 likely candidates:
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Isn´t it wonderful that the Internet allows you to post that nonsense?

Why don´t you judge him when, ya know, you know what it is to rule at least over 100 people? OR even better... 30 million?

Which you didn´t?

 

[chrnno]

That is my only problem here... Not with the update. I love these changes and the fort system is revolutionary. But, we paid for a full game which was essentially EU3 1/2. Now we get what 4 should have been for another... What? $20? $30?

$0.

 

[Castrolol]

Isn´t it wonderful that the Internet allows you to post that nonsense?

Why don´t you judge him when, ya know, you know what it is to rule at least over 100 people? OR even better... 30 million?

Which you didn´t?

Seriously the "well let's see you do better" arugement defending a several centuries dead monarch?

 

[Will Steel]

What's with all this ruckus about one dead man with a gross chin?

There have been far better rulers in history than him though.

 

[Xinkc]

While light on the information, these changes seem interesting. I'm still hoping two-sided treaties will eventually be a thing though. The interface doesn't necessarily have to change, just make the warscore cost constant and have terms that are negative towards you decrease it. It would certainly be nice to do something like give a nation war reparations and some flat gold in return for squeezing in an alliance break or two.

 

[Lord_P]

Only on these forums can there be a discussion over Charles V's qualities as an emperor.

 

[Daddl]

But, we paid for a full game which was essentially EU3 1/2. Now we get what 4 should have been for another... What? $20? $30?

Development system - free
Map overhaul - free
New warfare mechanic - free
Improved peace mechanic - free (well, this is bugged at the moment, so this is something I simply expect to be fixed)
And lots and lots of minor or other major stuff.

Every game series which has a succesful previous title is a bit of x 1/2, isn't it? You paid for a full game, and you can disable all DLCs and then compare it to EU3. But well, both show a world map, so its certainly just x 1/2.
Thinking of every game series which comes to my mind, I have no clue how you would determine if a game is worth its own number or just 1/2. But the differences between vanilla EU3 and vanilla EU4 are certainly bigger than the differences between following titles in other game series.

 

[blackchoas]

Charles V was a shoddy Emperor.

Let's start with the election of 1519, were there where 3 likely candidates:

Charles V, House Habsburg, King of Spain and ruler of the Netherlands

Francis I, House Valois, King of France

Henry VIII, House Tudor, King of England (dark-horse candidate, but still not completely without chance)

(some elctors sought to elect Saxony to imperial honour, but he refused)

That presented the electors of the HRE with a dilemma: The HRE would fall under foreign rule, which hasn't happened so far in it's century-long history. Surely, originally the HRE was a super-national construct, but by 1519 it had been increasingly reduced to a Germano-centric policy. While Charles was a Habsburg, his primary language was French (being UDke of Burgundy does that), and to the prince-electors he was as much of a foreigner as Francis and Henry.

Now, how do foreign monarchs make electors vote for them? Money! Both Francis and Charles took huge loans from the Fuggers to bribe themselves into emperorship. However, Charles didn't stop there, he actually threatened military action if he wasn't elected. In the end he got what he wanted, but the cost was high.

See, the electors did not like being strong-armed into a vote, and it is rather likely that the two north german electors, Saxony and Brandenburg, became increasingly unruly because of Charles' methods of acquiring emperorship. Now, who sheltered Luther from Imperial wrath? Who started a small protestant league for protection against the emperor? The Elector of Saxony, of course. Brandenburg instead was more brooding, but becoming a kingdom and marching into Silesia are not signs of loyalty towards the empire.

Charles absolutely miss-handled the delicate internal politics of the Empire and the young reformation, and thus lay the foundation for the 30 years war.

1st of all, its not like Charles was the first person to bribe electors into making him emperor,
2nd I love how you blame Charles for the reformation and the actions of Saxony and Brandenburg during the reformation defying the Pope and sheltering Luther
3rd Charles V is basically a weird case in history because he is a great man in the classical mold but unlike most great men of history the challenges he faced were literally impossible to overcome, you can say he mishandled a dozen different things but I would ask you to say how he could have handled them better and then even if there are answers to some of his mistakes I would ask how he could have possibly figured that out, for example the Spanish economy falls aparts under his rule, not really his fault and really goings on in the Americas were pretty far beyond his control but even if he could better control how much silver was mined and shipped back to Spain and then minted and used. Did he, did anyone really have in depth understands of complex market forces like inflation or even a strong enough understanding of supply and demand to realize that production of any product at too productive of a rate will destroy its worth especially if said product is a non necessity such as silver.
4th He actually realized that not only did he fail but that the job he had set out to do was literally impossible and empire on the scale he was attempting was completely impossible given the means of the times causing him to split his lands when he abdicated giving Austria to his brother and Spain to his son