EU4 Development Diary - 3rd March 2016

[MCBC6]

Well, isn`t it just bread and games? We are happy that they are introducing trade leagues, but in reality, 99% of players will not use it, cause in the first 50 years most OPMs are gone, and AI will have another feature to be stupid about and make irrational decisions.

This is actually a boost for large nations, cause 2-3 OPM alliance will not be able to conquer trade league member, but blobbers like Poland, Austria, France won`t have any problem to do so.

Sooo, it`s just another nerf for any player that wants to play OPM that does not start as merchant republic. It is as useless as Free Cities feature, at least they are protected by Emperor, which is annoying, and actually does slow down conquest of Free Cities. Trade Leagues? It is just shallow and makes close to zero impact on the game, AND only in Europe(AND only in Italy and Baltic).

Nicely wrapped gift, with an empty can inside.

You need to be a merchant republic to be the leader.

 

[ramius3443]

Im not sure im too thrilled about a mechanic that only effects Western OPMS. Is this moddable to allow bigger countries into the leagues? If so, this could be quite fun

 

[frmwrk123]

With all these changes to Mercantilism I am wondering what will happen to the 100% mercantilism achievement that is already pretty tough to get. Best country so far would probably be Genoa (starting with 25% and having missions accumulating 14%). But with these changes I am curious if it will even be possible to reach that.

 

[Wagonlitz]

and they will never be part of the same trade league at the same time)

Why not?

 

[Florryworry__]

Does the trade cb still allow protectorating/vassalizing people?

 

[paulatreides0]

My only problem so far is the mercantalism change. While I have no problem whatsoever with it in theory, the implementation of it is a bit wonky because it will detract even more from the already under-utilized development system. it essentially makes developing production by spending valuable, valuable dip even more pointless and something you'll do even less, as you'll probably be trying to boost your mercantalism sky high.

 

[Martian Gamer]

Time to play as Novogorod again

 

[MCBC6]

I have to ask if you play the game for that remark XD

France starts with 340. England 291, Ottos 293.
Burgandy 138, (+ 53 +54 + 40 + 30)
Austria 165

Austria is pretty small but gets the boosts from being emp and a pretty guaranteed most of burgundy and their gold

Oh man have I been out of it. Haven't played in a while because my computer can't handle it. Was just trying to follow my history teachers advice and sound confident in my response

 

[Metallord]

Hopefully the reincarnated Hansa doesn't conquer Denmark in every game like before.

I think the effect Will probably be more like

Time to play as Novogorod again

Oyeah Some novgorod lead Leaque with the hansa states as Members would be fun, Also more with the Russian culture change muscovy is gonna have a harded time conquering early on.

 

[Bobemor]

Seems like a nice early game mechanis specifically for Lubeck/Hansa but I can't see this being that useful elsewhere :S

 

[Ameron]

Trade leagues seem nice, but I see little use for them outside of Hansa: Genoa and Venice, both merchant republics, have poor access to useful OPM states. Will it be possible to force an OPM into a trade league in a peace deal?

 

[Philbaaa]

With all these changes to Mercantilism I am wondering what will happen to the 100% mercantilism achievement that is already pretty tough to get. Best country so far would probably be Genoa (starting with 25% and having missions accumulating 14%). But with these changes I am curious if it will even be possible to reach that.

You know you can Return the conquered Province and just take the mission again to get another 2% mercantilism?. I did the achievement as Genoa in bout 120 years only by conquering Gibraltar a few times before Castilian conquest and then Tunis and Alexandria every few years after the truce ended. The other Targets are harder to get, Ragusa is guaranteed by Ottomans and they usually conquer Contantinople so that is hard aswell. Ferrara is probably antoerh option, but in my game they were allied to Austria.

 

[CoolSquid]

Does the defensive alliance extend to attacks from same-league members?

I'd assume it works like normal alliances; no declaring war on other league members.

 

[Sun_Wu]

@Johan will we be able to mod the size of countries allowed in the League?

 

[SmileyBear]

Nice, but between Diplomatic idea groups and diplomatic tech, it will be impossible to increase mercantilism for a navy/trading focus country... 200 points... :s

Yeah, I agree - I liked the idea that is should be scaled of, how much Mercantialism you already have, instead of the flat 200 points.

 

[funguide]

trade leagues will become a useless feature. It should be based on development. As always the OPMs will conquer land and leave the league, they will then get eaten until most of the members fall. Also trade power takes a relation slot I don't have to spare for trade dispute cassus belli.

There are just too many questions regarding trade leagues. Novgorod needs some help, as there are no OPMs near it. Also being a merchant republic seems to be a drawback since one can't get estates.

 

[LordDamien]

Wait Corruption is coming out with the expansion and not a patch ?

 

[migalhone]

Looking forward to more depth in both trade and naval aspects of the game

 

[MerlinaWizzard]

Trade Leagues like this? If they take up just one slot for the leader, a large trade league woud be insanely powerful. And the suggestion that only countries that are unable to advance to the second government tier can join, would basically mean everybody in the HRE barring bohemia could probably insta-join. (Non electors in the HRE can't upgrade their government to the next tier, after all). Won't that be fun?

Perhaps some of the policies you can opt for can add mercantilism periodically? That would come at a price of 1 diplo point a month as well. Add 1, perhaps 2 mercantilism a year or something (and some other bonus). Policies that would qualify should probably have the trade idea group in there,

Also, (perhaps already mentioned, but hey). How does this work with Free Cities in the HRE?

EDIT: Aye, Perhaps there should be a cap on the total amount of development a trade league can have. Say, perhaps, 150 development. Perhaps over time, through decisions, this amount can increase in leaps of 50 development? A sort of a tier system for trade leagues.

 

[spinoza013]

Might make the Brandenburg game require a bit more thought.