EU4 - Development Diary - 31st of March 2020

[rafettolga]

In your test games what is the earliest date to finish these hre reforms (either centralized or decentralized)? Currently by 1550 all reforms can be finished thanks to add provinces giving IA.

 

[Me_]

I was kind of expecting at least one of the decentralized reforms to give a relationship bonus with the Electors, after all they are receiving a lot of bonuses, so they should be a bit happier. Are princes more likely to support decentralized reforms?

 

[KingLouie]

Good changes, I'll definitely try out both paths at least a few times!

However, that Switzerland still looks lackluster. It's a pity that none of the proposals from the forum could have been taken into consideration.

 

[Weyird]

Started reading, got to the bottom and there was 1 comment. Signed in so I could comment, we were on page 2 of comments. Wow.

Anyway, this all looks really interesting! My last game was the 1st time I've ever interacted with the empire (by dismantling it as the Polish Commonwealth). I'm excited to try a game within the HRE, maybe going the decentralized route. That looks fun.

After the expansion has come down to 50% sale, of course.

 

[KaiserArg]

Surely the 100% warscore cap will apply for nations that are too big.

I suspect it would probably work like Force Religion, where you need the nation's total war score to force them in. Otherwise yeah, being able to force the Commonwealth and later Russia would be a bit broken.

I guess the war score cost would be similar to vassalizing otherwise it is indeed busted. That way you can't force large neighbors (like France) into HRE but require to break them up first the force into hre piece by piece

I am inclined to believe that is going to be more like the "Force Personal Union" option that is capped at a possible Warscore so that is always usable, lets hope that is not the case. Anyways it would be better if the devs reply to my comment to clarify everything.

Edit: they did

 

[wobarch]

Looking great! Even if I think that there could be more than 13 incidents.
Just for understanding - does every of the 13 incidents has to happen every campaign or is it like 13 possible incidents if certain conditions are made? So in one game I'll have 4 incidents, in some 7 or something like that?


One other question, I don't see the effect anymore, that countries in the HRE are not allowed to fight wars against each other anymore as it was before after some reforms (Ewiger Landfriede?)
is it gone? edit: Ah, it got fixed!

 

[Parapluman]

Won't this just result in the current situation with most players going centralized and not passing the final reform?

 

[korvmaskin]

One other question, I don't see the effect anymore, that countries in the HRE are not allowed to fight wars against each other anymore as it was before after some reforms (Ewiger Landfriede?)
is it gone? edit: Ah, it got fixed!

He wrote that he made a mistake and that he has edited the text for that specific reform now

It's still in

 

[EquilinT]

Won't this just result in the current situation with most players going centralized and not passing the final reform?

I guess we will have to see those Reichskrieg decisions first, but yes Revoke does seems to be stronger for now.

 

[IVM.Firefly]

Are you able to finish the common path if you begin a centralized/decentralized path?

Looks Great!

Nice diary @Groogy
I am a modder and would like the ability to add a capital of a country into the empire without that tag automatically being in the HRE. That would be useful in representing Friesland and East Friesland, which were not imperial princes but de iure, their land was in the HRE. I am not mistaken, it is not possible to do that right now.
I would also be glad if you checked out my suggestions on Hungary, which really needs more detail.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ged-hungary-by-firefly.1355572/#post-26360917

 

[Republic of Mercury]

Last week's diary got a lot of feedback regarding the naming of certain catholic mechanics (e.g. "Call Ecumenical Council" doing nothing but moving some money from the Papal State to the curia, when, historically, ecumenical councils were an extremely rare an significant event.) There was no response about it; are any plans to have a second look at Catholicism's features' names?

 

[CountCristo]

I was really excited for there to now be a separate viable option for playing the HRE. Sadly I don't feel like this adds one - the bonuses for decentralized are laughable.

You get:
3 free cities, +1 elector, +100 manpower per prince - all of these are functionally useless.
5% dev cost is fine.
~20k manpower cap that you only get while at war with imperial enemies (so infinite war with a far flung power then) is ok but again nothing special or interesting.
And ... that's it?

Those bonuses are meant to be tempting in the face of thousands of development and almost unlimited coring and manpower?

I know what mod I'm gonna make the second this comes out

The interface and imperial incidents look fantastic amazing work on those.

 

[Manst]

So, is there a reason now to form the united HRE? Or is vassal swarm still going to be 10 times better than the last (and usually most powerful) reform of the centralized path?

 

[Pinpinolo]

Do you get to keep reform bonuses if you unite into the HRE tag?

 

[klingonadmiral]

Is there yet a reason to Renovatio?

 

[Metz]

Will Burgundy get to become a kingdom within the HRE?

 

[SPAMbuca]

Some questions I have:


Geteilte Macht

• Electors get +0.5 Tax Income per Prince.
• -5% Development cost in Imperial Provinces

Is that tax modifier per month or year? If it's per year I'm not sure it's worth it.



For the Reichskrieg; what happens if HRE princes are allied to the tag you want to attack with the cb? Will they side with the defender or will this override previous alliances?



Will it be made harder to disband the HRE? At the moment it's still extremely easy to do so and possible within 5 months with the right tags. Would it for example make sense to not be able to disband the HRE when reforms are passed? That would require people that want to disband the HRE to force the emperor to submit to revoking reforms first. At the moment it would be really strange and unbalanced to disband the HRE after passing nearly all reforms and being close to revoking the priviligia.


Also, my personal take is that the decentralized path bonusses don't come close to having a massive vassal swarm doing not only your bidding with their own income and manpower pools, but also boosting your income and forcelimit by tons.

And indeed, as someone else brought up as well; will there be a new incentive to pass the last centralisation reform as forming the infamous "greyskin" would be in a weaker state than before the reform.




edit: For the people that wonder how you disband the HRE in 5/6 months:

-Start as France/Burgundy or anyone you deem powerful enough.
- Ally all electors. Because of this requirement you don't want to try this as the Ottomans. If electors rival each other, this become a bit more difficult, but there are starts where you can pick up all electors before too long.
- make hungary a rival and declare a humiliation war against Hungary. Make sure Hungary is already allied to Austria when the war is declared.
- You don't need to win the war; all you need is to occupy the capital of the emperor (Vienna). If none of the electors joined the war on the emperor's side, you don't need anything else.
- Wait/savescum for a lucky wall breach on Vienna and assault the fort.

Congratulations, you disband the HRE within 5/6 months.

 

[Rastin]

@Groogy So the next dev dairy is going to be sth hinted but yet not touched. So we are going for bohemia or we are going east. Tell me we are going east and there is sth for PLC

 

[RMS Oceanic]

Some questions I have:


Geteilte Macht

• Electors get +0.5 Tax Income per Prince.
• -5% Development cost in Imperial Provinces

Is that tax modifier per month or year? If it's per month I'm not sure it's worth it.

Flat tax modifiers are generally annually. So this means you'd be getting an extra 0.04 Ducats a month.

However that's 0.04 Ducats a month per prince in the Empire. So 10 Princes means 0.4 ducats a month. If you're going Voltaire's Nightmare that's easily 2 or 3 ducats a month. And every Elector gets this, meaning they have more robust economies, which fits in with the decentralised approach.

 

[SPAMbuca]

Flat tax modifiers are generally annually. So this means you'd be getting an extra 0.04 Ducats a month.

However that's 0.04 Ducats a month per prince in the Empire. So 10 Princes means 0.4 ducats a month. If you're going Voltaire's Nightmare that's easily 2 or 3 ducats a month. And every Elector gets this, meaning they have more robust economies, which fits in with the decentralised approach.

Ohh I don't want to say it's nothing, but generally when you pass reform 4, you're 100 years or more in. Some tags could make more than 100 ducats a month already. Similar as the old reform giving you 20 ducats a year extra, I wonder if it would be enough of a big deal to care about in general. Maybe it will be a slightly bigger deal now that you can perhaps do that reform quicker? It seems to be an improvement over the old situation although I would probably still consider it the weakest reform reward around.

edit: wait, the state maintenance reduction would probably have less effect.