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EU4 - Development Diary - 31st of March 2017 (Big Bonus One!)

As usual, when we do a major expansion, and have a large free accompanying update, there are quite a lot of changes to how you play the game. We’re hoping that this little guide makes it easier for you to transition to the greater experience of EU4 1.20 “Ming” with Mandate of Heaven.

Sieges
Quite a lot regarding sieges have changed, giving the player greater control over the sieges through the years, if you get the Mandate of Heaven expansion.

First of all, you always have the option to do an Artillery Barrage, which allows you to do create a breach in the fortress for 50 Military Power. This breach increases the siege-progress by +3, and also allows you to do an assault

During the Age of Reformation, you can get an ability that increases the impact from blockades while sieging by +1.

Finally, during the Age of Revolutions, you can unlock the Napoleonic Warfare ability, which increases the maximum bonus from artillery to +3.


Devastation
We talked about devastation in one of the earliest development diaries about 1.20, and its seen quite a lot of tweaks since then. Now it’s time to give a detailed information about how it will work.

Provinces that are being looted, occupied or under siege will slowly see their devastation tick up. Control of your own province will slowly see it tick down again, while being in the zone of control of a friendly fortress decreases it far quicker.

If you want to reduce the devastation quicker, manually developing the province will reduce it as well.

We also changed scorched earth, so that while it gives a modest impact (+5) to the devastation in the province, it also reduces movement for hostile units by 50% for 5 years.

Devastation have an impact on quite a lot of things, with 100% devastation giving the following to a province.

  • trade_goods_size_modifier = -1
  • supply_limit_modifier = -0.5
  • local_institution_spread = -1.0
  • local_development_cost = 0.1
  • local_manpower_modifier = -1.0
  • local_sailors_modifier = -1.0
  • local_hostile_movement_speed = -0.25
  • local_friendly_movement_speed = -0.25


Subjects
We’ve done quite a lot of things to subjects in the Ming update, most important among them probably exposing most of it to modders, but for you right now there are a few important things to know.

Non-tributary subjects are now exempt from most disasters, making both managing them, and playing them less of a hassle.

We merged protectorates and vassals into vassals. You can do divert trade & seize territory from vassals & send officers to marches.

Subjects occupying a province for you will now automatically discover that province for you.

Subject types that allow Embargo Rivals interaction no longer allow Subject to make their own embargoes.

We reduced Liberty desire from development in vassals, and its now 100% liberty desire at 500 development.

Daimyos are now their unique subject type, with lots of added mechanics mentioned in earlier development diaries. They no longer count towards diplomatic relations, but they will no longer increase your force limit either as a Shogunate.

Colonial Nations can now start war with neighbours of another religion group. Which allows them to attack native americans even if they have technological parity.

Colonial Nations also lost heir penalty to settler chance and colony growth.


Trade companies
We have done some rather big changed to Trade Companies, making them no longer count as territory when it comes to autonomy. This makes it much preferable and beneficial for empires to create trade companies of their overseas territories where possible.

Removing a a province manually from a trade company now makes it not produce any goods for 5 years.


Spynetworks
In an effort to reduce tedious micromanagement, we’ve done a major change of convenience. Spies are no longer sent home when discovered, but instead have decay while being discovered for a year.


Golden Age
The Golden Era is probably the most powerful ability you can give your country. Once a game, when you have at least 3 age objectives fulfilled, you can start your golden era. This era will last you 50 years, and during this time, you get the following benefits.


  • all_power_cost = -0.1
  • global_trade_goods_size_modifier = 0.1
  • land_morale = 0.1
  • naval_morale = 0.1
  • max_absolutism = 5


States
State Maintenance is no longer free in Capital Areas, but is reduced in price by 50% to prevent free edicts. Capital States have been “reimbursed” for this by gaining +5% institution spread.

The late-game States buffet from government and Technology levels have been reduced dramatically, as previously almost all areas would be stated, removing strategic choice from the system.

War & Peace
Stabhitting peace offers have been restored to 50% of the warscore, when warscore is at least 50%, as we felt the new system wasn’t working so well.

You can no longer call in allies that have a truce with someone you are attacking, to add risk to truce breaking

We have removed the rule that you couldn’t make a separate peace with the holder of the wargoal province, as it caused bizarre outcomes in unlikely yet plausible situations.


Mercenaries
Mercenary costs have been raised across the board, to put more financial pressure on waging wars with endless waves of cannon fodder. They now cost 10 more in base price and reinforcement costs are doubled.

Your mercenaries now get priority when entering battle within their unit type. Eg: Mercenary Infantry will be deployed in the middle ahead of regulars.

Victory Cards
Victory Cards have been changed to make them more enticing to grab early, rather than leaving them until the very end of the game. They now also heavily disincentivize “trading” of them.

Victory Cards ticking up/down is now 10 years instead of 20 years.

You now get the final victory cards even if you haven't fulfilled previous ones.

A fully maxed victory card adds +1 score each month now.


Absolutism
The tech impact on Administrative Efficiency has been halved from 0-60% to 0-30%.An additional 0-40% of Administrative Efficiency can be gained from Absolutism in the 3rd and 4th ages to give an edge to more Authoritarian nations in the late game

The Absolutism Mechanic replaces the Absolute Monarchy government type, which is no longer present in the game.

Absolutism is used in decisions and events and can be influenced by Harsh treatment, raising stability, Strengthening government, lowering autonomy and more.


Nation Rebalancing
Prussian Militarisation has been balanced to be 50% harder to maintain and impacts less on maintenance cost and manpower. Its effects on troop quality remain unchanged.

Early Native American infantry units have had their pip count reduced from 6 to 4, as native teching has been made easier with institutions and they do not need early super soldiers. On this note, the Counting Coups idea has been reduced from 15% morale to 10%

Some of our more extravagant National Idea bonuses have been rebalanced. Japanese Traditions have been reduced from 10% discipline to a more sane 5% while Ottoman Millets are now 20% coring cost reduction instead of 33%.

Bankruptcy
A new button has been added to the economy tab allowing a nation to declare Bankruptcy if it has any loans. As such, the effects of bankruptcy have been rebalanced to be shorter and less of a kiss of death, but a viable alternative to crushing loan repayments

Bankruptcy now adds devastation to provinces, and clears recent uprising flag.

Bankruptcies now have less impact on morale, unrest and autonomy, and only last 5 years.

Going bankrupt now destroys all buildings built in the last 5 years to prevent building up your economy with borrowed money and intentionally going bankrupt.


Cavalry Ratio
The amount of cavalry you can have, relative to your infantry is no longer tied to the old inflexible tech groups, but is instead a base of 50% influenced by the following:

  • Steppe Horde government now have +25% Cavalry Ratio.
  • Winged Hussars Idea gives +10% Cavalry Ratio now.
  • Happy Cossacks Estates give +10% Cavalry Ratio now.
  • Sunni Religion lost tolerance own, but gained +10% Cavalry Ratio.
  • Tengri lost 2 unrest, but gained +25% Cavalry Ratio.

Unconditional Surrender
Various changes have been made to stop unconditionally surrendering nations from being at the mercy of their enemies forcing them to break apart from economical and revolting damage:

Upon unconditionally surrendering, autonomy, War Exhaustion and Institution Spread act like being at peace

Devastation will slowly decline after unconditionally surrendering

Owned provinces will have 0 Unrest after Unconditionally surrendering

Nations that has unconditionally surrendered can not take loans, nor go below 0 in treasury, and will automatically dismiss all advisors each month.


Exploit Fixes
Rebel occupation gives the same modifier as regular occupation

A country is considered to be “in debt” for purposes of not being able to send gifts etc if it has more than 2 years of income to prevent “banking” money elsewhere.

Nations in debt and running a deficit can no longer buy ships, stopping an infinite money exploit.

Calculations for “in debt” are immediate, rather than judging the previous month’s finances, which lead to plenty of exploits

Misc
Spices’ trade good bonus has changed from the widely adored Hostile Core Creation Cost to a reduction in devastation.

Wool’s trade good bonus is now +10% Local Movement Speed, because you cannot build a boat in Zürich

Deus Vult is now the final idea in Religious Ideas, to make the Idea set less immediately amazing.

Sharing maps can now be done while at war, because inaccessible allied land in a crucial moment is silly.

Tengri now have 20% cheaper regiments, up from 10% cheaper regiments.


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1. How does "Winged Hussars" national idea work now?
2. Is Absolutism mechanics available for Elective Monarchy?
3. How PLC event chain "Struggle for the Royal Power" has been changed?
4. Is it possible to break out of Elective Monarchy through Absolutism?
 

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Can't you just make the sailors much more harsh and hard to come by? (while navy nations like U.K/England have a modifier or something which adds a bit?)
I suppose this would at least be a temperly solution to make it just a bit harder? shouldn't be TO hard to do either right? (to just add in a bug fix patch or something)
You should play a game as Corsica. Being an OPM and getting raided all the time makes it very hard already to gather enough sailors to build a light ship. The sailor recovery rate is not really the design issue that should be fixed.
 

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You should play a game as Corsica. Being an OPM and getting raided all the time makes it very hard already to gather enough sailors to build a light ship. The sailor recovery rate is not really the design issue that should be fixed.
You got me there, I don't normaly play that weak states so I can't say too much in that area I admit, but other normal strong nations have a way to easy time with sailors (Have never had a single game where Sailors have been a problem)
 

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You got me there, I don't normaly play that weak states so I can't say too much in that area I admit, but other normal strong nations have a way to easy time with sailors (Have never had a single game where Sailors have been a problem)
They generally are if you are small or when you just acquire coastal territory after being landlocked. After that, they only become an issue when mass producing ships on a massive scale.
 

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You got me there, I don't normaly play that weak states so I can't say too much in that area I admit, but other normal strong nations have a way to easy time with sailors (Have never had a single game where Sailors have been a problem)
multiplayer games where you got portugal vs england vs venice and everyone loaded up on limitless money and somewhat equal navies is when sailors become an issue
 

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Is ottoman part joke ? If not why the hell did u nerf it i mean just why ? Even italy got % 25 core reduction cost in their
NI if it's about the game balance remove all the national ideas and give random ''balanced" ideas


And yes im triggered -.-
 

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As usual, when we do a major expansion, and have a large free accompanying update, there are quite a lot of changes to how you play the game. We’re hoping that this little guide makes it easier for you to transition to the greater experience of EU4 1.20 “Ming” with Mandate of Heaven.

Sieges
Quite a lot regarding sieges have changed, giving the player greater control over the sieges through the years, if you get the Mandate of Heaven expansion.

First of all, you always have the option to do an Artillery Barrage, which allows you to do create a breach in the fortress for 50 Military Power. This breach increases the siege-progress by +3, and also allows you to do an assault

During the Age of Reformation, you can get an ability that increases the impact from blockades while sieging by +1.

Finally, during the Age of Revolutions, you can unlock the Napoleonic Warfare ability, which increases the maximum bonus from artillery to +3.


Devastation
We talked about devastation in one of the earliest development diaries about 1.20, and its seen quite a lot of tweaks since then. Now it’s time to give a detailed information about how it will work.

Provinces that are being looted, occupied or under siege will slowly see their devastation tick up. Control of your own province will slowly see it tick down again, while being in the zone of control of a friendly fortress decreases it far quicker.

If you want to reduce the devastation quicker, manually developing the province will reduce it as well.

We also changed scorched earth, so that while it gives a modest impact (+5) to the devastation in the province, it also reduces movement for hostile units by 50% for 5 years.

Devastation have an impact on quite a lot of things, with 100% devastation giving the following to a province.

  • trade_goods_size_modifier = -1
  • supply_limit_modifier = -0.5
  • local_institution_spread = -1.0
  • local_development_cost = 0.1
  • local_manpower_modifier = -1.0
  • local_sailors_modifier = -1.0
  • local_hostile_movement_speed = -0.25
  • local_friendly_movement_speed = -0.25


Subjects
We’ve done quite a lot of things to subjects in the Ming update, most important among them probably exposing most of it to modders, but for you right now there are a few important things to know.

Non-tributary subjects are now exempt from most disasters, making both managing them, and playing them less of a hassle.

We merged protectorates and vassals into vassals. You can do divert trade & seize territory from vassals & send officers to marches.

Subjects occupying a province for you will now automatically discover that province for you.

Subject types that allow Embargo Rivals interaction no longer allow Subject to make their own embargoes.

We reduced Liberty desire from development in vassals, and its now 100% liberty desire at 500 development.

Daimyos are now their unique subject type, with lots of added mechanics mentioned in earlier development diaries. They no longer count towards diplomatic relations, but they will no longer increase your force limit either as a Shogunate.

Colonial Nations can now start war with neighbours of another religion group. Which allows them to attack native americans even if they have technological parity.

Colonial Nations also lost heir penalty to settler chance and colony growth.


Trade companies
We have done some rather big changed to Trade Companies, making them no longer count as territory when it comes to autonomy. This makes it much preferable and beneficial for empires to create trade companies of their overseas territories where possible.

Removing a a province manually from a trade company now makes it not produce any goods for 5 years.


Spynetworks
In an effort to reduce tedious micromanagement, we’ve done a major change of convenience. Spies are no longer sent home when discovered, but instead have decay while being discovered for a year.


Golden Age
The Golden Era is probably the most powerful ability you can give your country. Once a game, when you have at least 3 age objectives fulfilled, you can start your golden era. This era will last you 50 years, and during this time, you get the following benefits.


  • all_power_cost = -0.1
  • global_trade_goods_size_modifier = 0.1
  • land_morale = 0.1
  • naval_morale = 0.1
  • max_absolutism = 5


States
State Maintenance is no longer free in Capital Areas, but is reduced in price by 50% to prevent free edicts. Capital States have been “reimbursed” for this by gaining +5% institution spread.

The late-game States buffet from government and Technology levels have been reduced dramatically, as previously almost all areas would be stated, removing strategic choice from the system.

War & Peace
Stabhitting peace offers have been restored to 50% of the warscore, when warscore is at least 50%, as we felt the new system wasn’t working so well.

You can no longer call in allies that have a truce with someone you are attacking, to add risk to truce breaking

We have removed the rule that you couldn’t make a separate peace with the holder of the wargoal province, as it caused bizarre outcomes in unlikely yet plausible situations.


Mercenaries
Mercenary costs have been raised across the board, to put more financial pressure on waging wars with endless waves of cannon fodder. They now cost 10 more in base price and reinforcement costs are doubled.

Your mercenaries now get priority when entering battle within their unit type. Eg: Mercenary Infantry will be deployed in the middle ahead of regulars.

Victory Cards
Victory Cards have been changed to make them more enticing to grab early, rather than leaving them until the very end of the game. They now also heavily disincentivize “trading” of them.

Victory Cards ticking up/down is now 10 years instead of 20 years.

You now get the final victory cards even if you haven't fulfilled previous ones.

A fully maxed victory card adds +1 score each month now.


Absolutism
The tech impact on Administrative Efficiency has been halved from 0-60% to 0-30%.An additional 0-40% of Administrative Efficiency can be gained from Absolutism in the 3rd and 4th ages to give an edge to more Authoritarian nations in the late game

The Absolutism Mechanic replaces the Absolute Monarchy government type, which is no longer present in the game.

Absolutism is used in decisions and events and can be influenced by Harsh treatment, raising stability, Strengthening government, lowering autonomy and more.


Nation Rebalancing
Prussian Militarisation has been balanced to be 50% harder to maintain and impacts less on maintenance cost and manpower. Its effects on troop quality remain unchanged.

Early Native American infantry units have had their pip count reduced from 6 to 4, as native teching has been made easier with institutions and they do not need early super soldiers. On this note, the Counting Coups idea has been reduced from 15% morale to 10%

Some of our more extravagant National Idea bonuses have been rebalanced. Japanese Traditions have been reduced from 10% discipline to a more sane 5% while Ottoman Millets are now 20% coring cost reduction instead of 33%.

Bankruptcy
A new button has been added to the economy tab allowing a nation to declare Bankruptcy if it has any loans. As such, the effects of bankruptcy have been rebalanced to be shorter and less of a kiss of death, but a viable alternative to crushing loan repayments

Bankruptcy now adds devastation to provinces, and clears recent uprising flag.

Bankruptcies now have less impact on morale, unrest and autonomy, and only last 5 years.

Going bankrupt now destroys all buildings built in the last 5 years to prevent building up your economy with borrowed money and intentionally going bankrupt.


Cavalry Ratio
The amount of cavalry you can have, relative to your infantry is no longer tied to the old inflexible tech groups, but is instead a base of 50% influenced by the following:

  • Steppe Horde government now have +25% Cavalry Ratio.
  • Winged Hussars Idea gives +10% Cavalry Ratio now.
  • Happy Cossacks Estates give +10% Cavalry Ratio now.
  • Sunni Religion lost tolerance own, but gained +10% Cavalry Ratio.
  • Tengri lost 2 unrest, but gained +25% Cavalry Ratio.

Unconditional Surrender
Various changes have been made to stop unconditionally surrendering nations from being at the mercy of their enemies forcing them to break apart from economical and revolting damage:

Upon unconditionally surrendering, autonomy, War Exhaustion and Institution Spread act like being at peace

Devastation will slowly decline after unconditionally surrendering

Owned provinces will have 0 Unrest after Unconditionally surrendering

Nations that has unconditionally surrendered can not take loans, nor go below 0 in treasury, and will automatically dismiss all advisors each month.


Exploit Fixes
Rebel occupation gives the same modifier as regular occupation

A country is considered to be “in debt” for purposes of not being able to send gifts etc if it has more than 2 years of income to prevent “banking” money elsewhere.

Nations in debt and running a deficit can no longer buy ships, stopping an infinite money exploit.

Calculations for “in debt” are immediate, rather than judging the previous month’s finances, which lead to plenty of exploits

Misc
Spices’ trade good bonus has changed from the widely adored Hostile Core Creation Cost to a reduction in devastation.

Wool’s trade good bonus is now +10% Local Movement Speed, because you cannot build a boat in Zürich

Deus Vult is now the final idea in Religious Ideas, to make the Idea set less immediately amazing.

Sharing maps can now be done while at war, because inaccessible allied land in a crucial moment is silly.

Tengri now have 20% cheaper regiments, up from 10% cheaper regiments.


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atlast prussian monarchy nerfed. in custom games it was overpowered.
now buff hordes.
 

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Is ottoman part joke ? If not why the hell did u nerf it i mean just why ? Even italy got % 25 core reduction cost in their
NI if it's about the game balance remove all the national ideas and give random ''balanced" ideas


And yes im triggered -.-

Italy is not a Starting Nation.

It id a Formable Nation.
 

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@Johan I have a quick Protectorates fix for you.

You don't even need to add it into the patch, just leave a framework that is open for modders to activate.

Protectorates should:
-Be allowed for any nation that is both a different religious group as well as behind in at least 2 institution, 9 technologies, or is small enough to make a vassal.

-Not be automatically released, but can be promoted into a March if tech or institutions catch up.

-Function similar to Tributaries or Protectorates, now, in being able to go to war on its own.

-Protectorates should have Independent rivals.

-Allow Overlord to join protectorates wars, or press protectorates claims.

-Overlord should only be required to defend a Protectorate from nations not of the subject's religious group or nations using a special Casus Belli. Rivals of the subject should be free to attack the Protectorate, but Overlord can intervene in these wars with Enforce Peace.

-An Overlord can force a Protectorate to seek a White Peace if the Protectorate was the aggressor. This would greatly increase local neighbors' opinion of Overlord.
@Johan I have a quick Protectorates fix for you.

You don't even need to add it into the patch, just leave a framework that is open for modders to activate.

Protectorates should:
-Be allowed for any nation that is both a different religious group as well as behind in at least 2 institution, 9 technologies, or is small enough to make a vassal.

-Not be automatically released, but can be promoted into a March if tech or institutions catch up.

-Function similar to Tributaries or Protectorates, now, in being able to go to war on its own.

-Protectorates should have Independent rivals.

-Allow Overlord to join protectorates wars, or press protectorates claims.

-Overlord should only be required to defend a Protectorate from nations not of the subject's religious group or nations using a special Casus Belli. Rivals of the subject should be free to attack the Protectorate, but Overlord can intervene in these wars with Enforce Peace.

-An Overlord can force a Protectorate to seek a White Peace if the Protectorate was the aggressor. This would greatly increase local neighbors' opinion of Overlord.

Imo promoting into tributary would make more sense
 

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Need to come up with a good solution to replace with first.
That is great to read, hope you can come up with something fun and that makes more sense
 

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Cheers for the DD Johan and the typo DDR Jake :D. Lots of quality changes :). Siege change easily sounds the best, although subject changes also intriguing. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about golden ages being a relatively dichotomous 'flick the switch' and it's on mechanic (like one day everyone was all bronzey, and then woah, it's all gold! Then fifty years later, there's an immediate wait what, we're all bronzey again!) but I do like the idea of that 'special something' that impacts on nations at different times (as that was kind of a thing, and modelling it in detail is likely a pain - I just can't shake the feeling that giving it a slightly more nuanced model might work better).

Anyways, looking forward to Mandate of Heaven :). Still trying to work out which expansion to play first :p.
 

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Is ottoman part joke ?
No.
If not why the hell did u nerf it i mean just why ?
Because even after the reduction from 33% to 20%, the Ottomans still have:
  • A strong starting position.
  • One of the best national idea sets in the game.
  • A big pile of cores to reclaim, all owned by small weak countries which are easily crushed.
  • A decision which gives +1 stability, cores Constantinople, converts Constantinople to Turkish culture and Sunni religion, promotes them to Empire rank without needing to first reach 1000 total development, moves their capital to Constantinople, and adds 11 points of development to Constantinople, all at no cost.
  • A collection of useful missions.
If you're genuinely triggered by this change, you might need to seek professional help; PTSD that severe must be a terrible burden.
 

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and still johan doesn't want the ottomans in europe. why there is still no hungary mission? what makes hungary so special than the delicious goulash?

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Country's don't need to have missions for every war they won. I can't remember when I last had a game where they didn't conquer Hungary anyway.
Most countries don't get any missions like that, few have as nice ones as the ottomans.