EU4 - Development Diary - 25th of September 2018

[moyang]

Religious idea was arguably worse than Humanist in 1.25, and in 1.27 it's worse than 1.25. I know this is a band-aid patch and hope the devs come up with some nice change in 1.28.

 

[Lepaso]

- Primitives are no longer able to select Naval Doctrines

- Fix primitives being able to select Naval Doctrines

When primitives having naval doctrines is so important it needs to be fixed twice, instead of just giving them the damn boats. A damn shame CoT downgrading on native migration isn't going to be fixed.

 

[The Waycaster]

• Religious Ideas finisher allow for conversion in territories

• Territories have a -2% conversion strength

Thanks for listening! Will try this and see how it works! Does the territory conversion ability replace the previous finisher of 25% reduced culture conversion cost?

 

[FleetingRain]

- Fixed Eat Your Greens and The Ostenders achievements being completable by any nation despite not being visible.

...So... all my work had been for nothing lmao...

 

[Less2]

So the 1% of the world that starts as a Republic went from being somewhat balanced to complete trash from 1600 onward until ~1750s when they become on par with monarchies in absolutism, while the 99% of the world that starts as a monarchy or tribe is complete trash for the whole game if they want to become a republic. That's what a good balance change looks like.

 

[Keyboard Warrior]

• Manufacturing
  • Restricted somewhat where it can spawn so we don't get it spawning in 5 dev desert province
  • Reduce how much you get on continents where it did not spawn.

it was already starting in capital provinces which have more than 20 DEV. theres not such a thing starting in 5 dev desert province.

 

[Palando]

It was the normal republics that didn't have absolutism malus, all the special ones still had their ones left. Merchant republic have -50, Oligarchy I believe was set to -40 and Noble Elite is -20.

What about the parliamentism and states general reform of monarchies? Will they get an absolutism penalty, too, or will they stay the same?

 

[Geodynamis]

So are there going to be new achievements in 1.27 or not?

 

[Kuzma Minin]

I'd rather you made it so institutions like global trade, manufactories and enlightenment required the previous institution to spawn and spread. That way Europe would get them most of the time outside of player intervention. Also reduce the tech malus of the first three institutions to 25% or so to properly balance it.

 

[swietymiki]

"Contamination Detected, initiating Quarantine Protocols"
Is that a change to the Influenza event?

 

[Kayden_II]

It's always a surprise, that an event like this implementation of the GDPR forces you to rush the release of the free patches, so that you can work as quickly as possible on the next DLC^^

 

[RaccoonCity]

I raged a lot when you announced this Poland patch, but wow, you are going to release it pretty quick and I like the changes, so I changed my mind: good job, guys.

 

[gronak]

• Religious Ideas finisher allow for conversion in territories

• Territories have a -2% conversion strength

This is a welcomed change.

Will cultures be allowed to be converted too? It doesn't make much of a difference gameplaywise, I love to rp my games where there are migrations of cultures, for example.

 

[ForVictory]

Just what we need! More provinces! More slow downs! More hick ups! More OP Poland! Great!

 

[Keyboard Warrior]

since ottomans cant conquer mamluks because they are so powerful now (for ai not player) why we still have turkish culture in arabic group?
just remove turks from the levant.

 

[Gratak]

it was already starting in capital provinces which have more than 20 DEV. theres not such a thing starting in 5 dev desert province.

Capital always worked, right?

 

[Commonblob]

What's the condition for forming the Mongol Empire?

 

[zloty_111]

I'm sad too, because it looks like Poland won't get any more love for few more DLCs/patches (even though @Groogy said "we have more ideas for later" so there is still hope).
Many people here focuses on elective monarchy rework, events, flavour or missions, and I think you all forget about Parliament. Most democratic monarchy of that time, should have Parliament (well, we have Sejm with all their flavour events, but it's just it - a flavour).

Even though current version of Parliament won't be the best fit for Poland (and any Elective Monarchy), I think it should still be added. As some sort of semi-placeholder. But I'll write my idea for full-fledged Sejm below anyway, you can read if you are interested.

Spoiler: My idea for Polish Parliament, because why not

All numbers are made up, just to show an example

Sejm should basically work as current parliament, with few changes (kinda borrowed from estates):

• Seats should be added automatically, with provinces being given to Szlachta (Nobles)
• Seats shouldn't be named after provinces they are from, but with Noble names from dynasty names pool (this way we can have all these Sobieskis and Radziwiłłs medling with crown), thus creating "family". Of course game should keep track of already assigned names, and current dynasty names pool should be expanded a little
• Number of Noble families (seats) should be limited (eg. tied to government rank, government reforms, adm/dipl tech, etc., something that doesn't change too often) - let's say 10
• First three provinces awarded to Szlachta should guarantee creation of three families. Any province added to Szlachta after that could either spawn new "seat" (family) up to limit, or be added to current one
• "Power" of seat (family) should be measured in function of development, with a lot of modifiers (and maybe event such as "family XYZ invests in their province of Y", gain +2 development in province Y)
• Every seat (family) should have their loyality level, measured in any way. This will affect two things:
  • reforms they support, cost of bribing them to support what you want, chance to rebel or support negative reforms you don't want
  • heir they support, with foreign influence working as an event or something like that (if diplomat is present, there is "x" % chance every year to get an event such as "Family XYZ supports Habsburg", gain 10 points of support for Habsburg heir)
• Polish parliament could debate also negative reforms, such as -5% tax modifier, or -10% manpower, with families (seats) to be more likely to support that
• Of course having king from a certain family should boost loyality greatly (the same goes for Consort or heir or maybe even an advisor)
• And after election - game should check average loyality, multiply it by few modifiers, add and subtract some stuff, and BAM! "Sejm approves new kings policies" or "The Sejm comply with your policies" - in this case you'd at least have any influence over it

And now my explaination - with time, some noble familiess became powerful in Poland. And I mean REALLY powerful. With such parliament, you'd have to struggle with them, constantly bribing them to support you, and trying to limit their power. At the same time, you have to increase their power, to get their support. And it would lead into 2-3 very powerful, magnate families, ruling half of your nobles provinces. It's your choice if you want to fight with them or agree with them. Internal politics now gets much more interesting, and it can easily (and historically) lead to fall of the country.

Also it makes election a thing that matters. It can be expanded even further (for example - newly elected king will get an event to choose one of three or four possible heirs -from own dynasty or from any parliament dynasty, giving boosts and maluses to loyality etc.).

And I know that there may be some limit in game mechanics, but more frequent interregnum periods sounds extra challenging and historical (example: if there is no heir, that have more than X% support, Interregnum becomes new ruler of Poland, and for a period of few months to few years, player will get few events allowing him to influence who will be new king and when, some sort of "collecting extra support points" for an heir - again, as a struggle with the nobles)

There is also a place for some historical reforms (like Nieszawa priviledges) to be added to that, as unique Polish flavour.

In this way, I kinda changed Szlachta estate into Parliament, but it can be adapted for many countries that had any form of noble influences on the court, or any form of council as well. I can see how in Cossacks Sich Rada you have "Parliament" composed of noble Cossack families. Or rich merchant families being a "parliament" in Genoa, etc. etc.

I tried to think of a way that can be possible with current game, but I'm not a programmer, so it may be impossible. Or just stupid, and I don't see it. Anyway, I will repost it here as well, because it fits here better. But since we're discussing "Poland" update, I wanted to share my idea. Have a nice day!

 

[Gaius Julius Osmanious]

since ottomans cant conquer mamluks because they are so powerful now (for ai not player) why we still have turkish culture in arabic group?
just remove turks from the levant.

Agreed, Turks dont need to be in some culture group, Anatolia is enough for them. so no need to worry about Ottomans, they somehow handle'm all

 

[Xinkc]

Well that was different than I expected of the revert religious conversion change. I look forward to see what you can come up as a better solution in the future.

It's definitely a start.

It's cool because now you must choose between religious or humanist (because it's hard to convert without religious), not humanist or humanist.

Outside of player-born desires to convert instead of tolerate, Humanist is still vastly better for the role that it and Religious ideas are supposed to fill. To make it more even, you'd have to nerf Humanist a fair amount (lessen or replace the separatism decrease, lower the tolerance increase for heathens and heretics, lower the raw unrest decrease, etc.). As it stands, Humanist is vastly superior for dealing with religious stability.

I'm happy with the changes to religions. I mean, I prefered how it was before the last patch, but the -2% malus and the necessity to finish religious ideas makes complete sense IMO.
Looks like I'll finally be playing EU4 again!

The one thing that I feel could still be improved is the unbalance between religious ideas and humanist. Sure, now it's much more balanced, but in a purely strategic way humanist still takes the crown (and it's not really a fair fight either). Seeing as this is one of the most impactful choices (regarding idea groups) it would make sense to make it as difficult a choice as possible for purely strategic reasons. You still have time...

Honestly, I'm glad that Religious ideas can, at least, do their job again.