EU4 - Development Diary - 23rd of June 2016

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Hello and welcome to today's development diary for Europa Universalis IV. It's actually a well earned(?) day off for me but I'm doing a once unthinkable thing and working a bit from home. Last week I said we would take a look at a very influential dynasty of the time period. Sorry to disappoint all the Velikopermsky and Dandani fans out there, but I had the Osmanoglus on my mind.

It would be an understatement to say that the Ottomans gave the world a good shaking in this time period. Furthermore, they are one of the more commonly played nations in EUIV. We wanted to give them a little something to bring out their unique flavour since it was always a shame that they are a run-of-the-mill Sultanate. It has also been pointed out on numerous occasions the oddity of a situation where you have the Ottoman nation..without an Osmanoglu at the helm.

So to that end, in the still-unnamed upcoming expansion we have added a unique government type for them: The Ottoman Sultanate.

The Ottoman Sultanate does not generate heirs like normal monarchies do. The ruler of the Ottoman Sultanate will have their own Harem to ensure the dynasty lives on. At the age of 30, your ruler will select one of his sons to be the heir to the throne. They will, of course, be of your dynasty

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So an Ottoman Sultanate shall always be blessed by the strong line of Osmanoglus. That is to say unless the Sultan dies without an heir. In that case, they'll still end up with an Osmanoglu. "Blessed" can be a relative term here.

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There are a couple dozen events accompanying this unique government type to simulate the power struggle and intrigue of such a succession system and should add a couple of fangs to that already formidable Ottomans.

While this is unique to the Ottomans, any modders out there can easily allow this for other government types with the has_harem = yes line.

I feel like we're on a roll when it comes to governments and rulers so here's another thing for today's Development Diary. Abdication.

Yes, it has long been a requested feature in Europa Universalis. When Enrique or his low-stat kind just refuses to die you can abdicate and let your next in line take over. This requires you to have an of-age heir and to have either ruled for 25 years or be 60+ years old. It will come with a considerable hit to your legitimacy/unity and prestige but I think we've all had times where we wanted our monarch to Die Please Die.

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Ottoman Sultanate and Abdication are both paid features in the upcoming expansion which we have magically managed to keep unleaked name-wise.

I've been mentioning a lot of paid features lately but it's good to remind ourselves that with all the paid expansions come free bugfixes and features from the accompanying patch. A small change that will be coming up in 1.18 that I want to share is to do with succession wars. I'm not too happy with how right now, they have two conclusions: Either the new overlord keeps their union or the nation fighting them over it take leadership over the union for themselves. Now, we will add a peace option which simply breaks the union for all parties involved.

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Simple, sensible, and added free in 1.18 for those times where you just want to keep the status quo. Warscore cost scales with the junior partner's size.

Happy midsummer everyone, I'm off to....oh, right, I need to tease upcoming Diaries. Hrmm~ Well, we've touched a lot on rulers but would you believe it, we're not quite done with the changes in the throne room. We'll come to that in the future. As for next week, we'll switch it up on the battlefield. See you then!
 
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are you going to change the ottoman sultanate pictures to more ottoman ones, and will the government change if the religion changes?

1.Please turn on "Show only dev responses" They said event pictures are WIP.

2. Yeah what if you change faith?
 

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Meh. Just meh.

EUIV is primary a game about what country controls what province on the map. That's 90% of what you look at in the game. When I think about the Ottomans in this game what springs to my mind is the rapid conquest of Egypt, the struggles they had supporting an army into central Europe and how they projected power across north africa at great extent. None of which are remotely supported by this game. There's no difficulty conquering your way to Vienna, all it takes to conquer north africa is one doom stack and conquests like Egypt in one go are impossible.

I never really understood the appeal of DLC of this nature. I guess I'm just not the target audience for EUIV.
 
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I hoped for something more in lines of dynastic trees, but this is also very nice. Will other Beyliks get something similar with their Karamanoglus, Saruhanoglus and so on?

I still have hope for expanded dynastic mechanics, especially with Jake teasing more things from the throne room... or maybe he's talking about this mysterious new tab in the country interface? Something about internal politics, perhaps? We shall see, most likely in August.
 
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Love the extra Otto flavor, but I'm a bit afraid that this country that is already railroaded for world domination will become unstoppable in MP with a line of near perfect rulers , any things that will de-fang ottomans instead of giving it extra punch? ^-^
 
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Chinese and Japanese dynasties should work the same way. It's weird to see Hosokawa without a Hosokawa ruler.
 
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@Trin Tragula Does it mean that the Ottomans Pretender rebels will be only from the Osmanoglu family or the Ottomans will never get pretendent rebels? Are there any scenarios in which the Osmanoglu loose the throne?
 
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What happenes if an Heir dies before the Sultan? Do you get the same event to choose another heir?
 
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@Trin Tragula Does it mean that the Ottomans Pretender rebels will be only from the Osmanoglu family or the Ottomans will never get pretendent rebels? Are there any scenarios in which the Osmanoglu loose the throne?

Ottoman pretenders are also of the house of Osman (and some of the harem related events also spawn them).
 
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Shouldn't the Break Union peace option cost less than 100 war score otherwise there would be no point in using that one instead of just claiming the PU for yourself?
 
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Love the extra Otto flavor, but I'm a bit afraid that this country that is already railroaded for world domination will become unstoppable in MP with a line of near perfect rulers , any things that will de-fang ottomans instead of giving it extra punch? ^-^
I think the Ottomans need their janissary decadence events to be worse. Right now in MP nobody will ever disband the janissaries and just deal with the consequences as 5% discipline and 10% infantry combat is more than some countries get entirely. This means other than that mid game unit pip drop their army goes from fantastic to fantastic to still fantastic.
 
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3. I see some nice UI Improvments ... the action of diplomat showing (or was it that way?).

3. ... Nice i spotted the 2 new alerts. Can't wait.

Diplomat action was in for a long time now.

What 2 new alerts? I've only 1 new alert in the last 2 DDs and that's all.


P.S. you might have a problem in your keyboard as most of your points were numbered #3.
 
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What happens if government-type changing rebels take over the Ottomans. Will it turn back into the Ottoman Sultanate or will it continue as other nations?
 
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