EU4 - Development Diary - 23rd of June 2016

[Ninaran]

Well, DDRJake is in charge currently, so ....

He doesn't really mind the country, of I remember correctly. It's just the annoying Byzantophiles he despises.

 

[joe9594]

The ability to abdicate combined with more traits seem like there is going to be a pretty big haul of stuff for monarchies. Will republics get any changes to make them more interesting as well?

 

[Jorlem]

The ruler you get in the event for dying without an heir (second picture) is a pretty poor one.

What age are the event spawned heirs? (And on a related note, what happens if your ruler dies when the heir is over 30 years old? Does the "pick an heir" event fire instantly?)

 

[Trin Tragula]

The 3 picks are 10 year olds.
If one dies you can pick another one pretty shortly afterwards.
Depending on how that happened you may already have a new heir though.

 

[Emre Yigit]

Finally.

No more Tacettinoglus or some such in the Ottoman Empire.

Thank you.

 

[PsysmicSound]

While I agree, there are three problems: 1); none of the Japanese cultures have dynasty names relevant to the period, 2); that won't really stop the Ashikaga from simply placing their dynasty on a Daimyo's throne (and if we add in the historical occurrence of an adopted Daimyo changing their name to their new family, it would completely negate the whole purpose of the action), and 3); it wouldn't be able to properly represent stuff that happened like Shoni -> Ryuzoji -> Nabeshima, Hosokawa -> Miyoshi, Shiba -> Mogami, Toki -> Saito, etc, due to a deficiency in tags (and I would simply prefer a maximum of one tag per province to cut down on lag). Maybe a solution would be to have each tag represent the particularly powerful families of that province, and have retainer families/a retainer mechanic for the Daimyo Gov. that could help or hurt said Daimyo?

The game can handle tags changing their names while remaining the same tag. Players can do it for their colonial nations, for example. Just need to make that happen automatically for daimyo. Maybe force dynasties to rename themselves if there end up being two daimyo with the same dynasty.

 

[Thracian]

No, he just backed Selim in a civil war against his other son. He later had him executed after he was defeated. Pretty sure that's supporting one candidate.

nope
he did it for his own rulership

i repeat it again: the tradition was that the strongest one to sit on the throne. padişah's never chose an heir
tradition was changed very lately, that the oldest son would be the heir.

 

[Emre Yigit]

@Trin Tragula

I'm curious, if the Ottomans are converted from Islam, do they keep these harem event mechanics?

 

[terminalstatus]

very cool!

 

[vfmikey]

@Trin Tragula

It's government form, not religion issue, so I'd hazard a yes.

They could at least do a little something to properly represent such a prominent, fan favorite faction -- especially when they keep piling on the additions to the Ottomans.

1) England
2) France
3) Ottomans
...
14) Byzantium

Besides that (why I cut the rest of your reply) - I really don't know what do you expect. Yeah, compared to the American DLC the Byzantium one wasn't very good. But it's already there and I really doubt that anyone is going to make another one for EU4.

I don't see a reason why developers should be adding more Byz specific fluff, while I counted 13 nations, which I think can be considered major tags, with less events, not to mention the likes of Teutonic Order and Britanny with barely any fluff.

Spoiler

Scotland, Milan, Morocco, Bohemia (!), Manchu, Aragon (!), Naples, Timmy, Mughals, Bavaria, Novgorod, Hansa/Lubeck

 

[Axe99]

Cheers for the DD DDRJake . Changes sound good, more historical depth to Ottos is always a good thing, and those PU war changes sound particularly good to balance-of-power style gameplay (a theme for this patch/DLC combo?) Hope the rest of your day off was more off .

 

[seriousgigi]

The titles in that message will change depending on what you've conquered so far...

what do you mean? if i done WC as ottomans, the whole world is being written in that message?

i'm pretty sure this event may crash the game in 1820

“I, sultan of sultans, king of kings, the shadow of God who bestows the crown to the monarchs on earth, the supreme ruler of the Mediterranean and Black Seas, the Balkans and Anatolia, Azerbaijan, Damascus and Halep, Egypt, Mecca and Medina, Jerusalem, and all of the Arab dominions, and Yemen, and the sultan and the supreme king of many nations,

I am the son of Sultan Selim Khan and grandson of Sultan Bayezid Khan, and you, King Francis, is the governor of the French province.

 

[Trin Tragula]

It will change as you conquer more land but (at least for now) only to incorporate the historical titles of the sultan (and not quite all of those).

 

[Emre Yigit]

It's government form, not religion issue, so I'd hazard a yes.

A Christian ruler with a harem? If the Ottos had known it was possible, they might indeed have converted.

 

[Dakka]

I have a question. If Italy (1861), Germany (1871), Greece (1832), Romania (1881) etc are. Because the Austro-Hungarian Empire (1867) does not exist in the game? It would be a great power rival to consider the Ottomans, Prussia-Germany, Italy, Commonwealth and France. That would be formed with the Austrian and Hungarian territories plus a unique system of government "Dual Monarchy" as well as its related events.

I think "Hapsburg Empire" would be a more appropriate formable country for Austria. Could require something like own/be overlord of Hungary, Bohemia, Kraków, Serbia, Bosnia, and parts of Italy, must have Hapsburg as ruling dynasty... Not sure what bonus you would get from forming it, other than the cool black/yellow flag.

 

[Michael Kim]

Celestial empires should get this kind of inheritence

 

[Grand Historian]

The game can handle tags changing their names while remaining the same tag. Players can do it for their colonial nations, for example. Just need to make that happen automatically for daimyo. Maybe force dynasties to rename themselves if there end up being two daimyo with the same dynasty.

That's a fair point. Adapting the Colonial mechanic of changing your name and flag when a different Dynasty rises to your han's throne sounds like a good idea, if not a bit time consuming. I would prefer that the map get expanded and more Daimyo get added in before we have dynamic Daimyo, though - Japan is long overdue for it.

I think "Hapsburg Empire" would be a more appropriate formable country for Austria. Could require something like own/be overlord of Hungary, Bohemia, Kraków, Serbia, Bosnia, and parts of Italy, must have Hapsburg as ruling dynasty... Not sure what bonus you would get from forming it, other than the cool black/yellow flag.

Or maybe just have an event that promotes the Emperor to an Empire rank if the Empire is dissembled a la Francis II. Really, I'm surprised that the HRE hasn't been touched on in a while given how important it was to the timeframe - the Religious Wars mechanic could later be tied into the Revolution mechanic as a sort of 'Coalition' mechanic where the Emperor and enemies of the Revolutionary target attempt to contain its expansion and restore the status quo - Austria was the most consistent enemy of France on the Continent, after all.

 

[PandaL]

While I agree, there are three problems: 1); none of the Japanese cultures have dynasty names relevant to the period, 2); that won't really stop the Ashikaga from simply placing their dynasty on a Daimyo's throne (and if we add in the historical occurrence of an adopted Daimyo changing their name to their new family, it would completely negate the whole purpose of the action), and 3); it wouldn't be able to properly represent stuff that happened like Shoni -> Ryuzoji -> Nabeshima, Hosokawa -> Miyoshi, Shiba -> Mogami, Toki -> Saito, etc, due to a deficiency in tags (and I would simply prefer a maximum of one tag per province to cut down on lag). Maybe a solution would be to have each tag represent the particularly powerful families of that province, and have retainer families/a retainer mechanic for the Daimyo Gov. that could help or hurt said Daimyo?

For the Japanese Daimyo it is both simpler but at the same time more complicated. The simpler part is that their nation name is identical to their clan name, unlike Ottoman, Ming and Qing, whose nation name is tied to their dynatic name but not the same. The complicated part is that is when their nation name should be change. Like you mention, at that era Japanese seem to care more about their clan name than bloodline. An adopted Daimyo will change his last name to his new clan's one. It not only happened all the time, but was also an effective way to expand. However, there were also many cases the vassal clan overthrowing the overlord clan and claiming the territory of the overlord. In those cases the clan name will be change. There would probably need a more complex system, more events and more importantly, more provinces and Daimyo to actually fully simulate the Sengoku experience.

 

[Streichquartett]

Anything concerning a Protestant League unit pack? France, a central nation to this game still has no proper unit skins.

 

[Grand Historian]

For the Japanese Daimyo it is both simpler but at the same time more complicated. The simpler part is that their nation name is identical to their clan name, unlike Ottoman, Ming and Qing, whose nation name is tied to their dynatic name but not the same. The complicated part is that is when their nation name should be change. Like you mention, at that era Japanese seem to care more about their clan name than bloodline. An adopted Daimyo will change his last name to his new clan's one. It not only happened all the time, but was also an effective way to expand. However, there were also many cases the vassal clan overthrowing the overlord clan and claiming the territory of the overlord. In those cases the clan name will be change. There would probably need a more complex system, more events and more importantly, more provinces and Daimyo to actually fully simulate the Sengoku experience.

Well, the more I do think about it, the less I feel like a Harem mechanic would actually fit in with the Daimyo. Sure, they had harems, but it was the norm for the eldest son to succeed regardless. Yoshiaki Otomo trying to disinherit Yoshishige (Sorin) Otomo resulted in the Second Floor incident where pro-Yoshishige retainers killed him, Takamoto Mori's death resulted in Terumoto being appointed as nominal clan head and Motonari coming out of retirement, Yoshihisa Amago succeeded Haruhisa Amago (and promptly brought ruin on the clan) despite both his brothers being inifinitely more competent and having more respect, Nobutada Oda's death during Honnoji effectively opened the door for Hideyoshi to puppet the Oda, and Ieyasu had to kill Nobuyasu before he could declare Hidetada heir.

Basically, I don't think that choosing heirs in the sense that its represented in with the Ottoman's harem mechanic would make sense, as trying to disinherit the eldest son or his unexpected death tended to throw clans into chaos since it was the norm to have the eldest son succeed to clan leadership (while it was not uncommon for younger ones to be offered up for adoption) regardless of the circumstances, and incompetent ones were usually overthrown by kin only after they ruled for a while - which also tended to split the clan.