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EU4 - Development Diary - 18th of December 2018

Good day all and welcome to this week's Dev Diary for EUIV. It's also our final one of the year and as such it's going to be a meaty one. Indeed today is my last day in the office before I take a decadently long Christmas and New Year vacation. I'll be burning some whisky barrels on the open fireplace and melting to my sofa while my cats and dog lay with me in the freezing wastes of the Scottish Highlands. With that to look forward to, I'll get on with today's matter at hand: we're going to talk about reflections on the year, including Rule Britannia, Dharma and Golden Century, how we use forum feedback and suggestions, as well as our plans going forward into 2019. This'll be a big one, so buckle up.


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This year started strong with the release of Rule Britannia in March. It was our second Immersion pack and our way of confirming if we wanted to keep going forward with the Immersion Pack model for EU4. We had released Third Rome as an Immersion Pack before, and while both its sales and reception were lukewarm, its release was right alongside our price change debacle. With Rule Britannia, we were able to try an Immersion Pack again in clearer conditions. Again, we wanted to make a DLC for the game, smaller and tighter in scope, where we focused on Britain, and making features and content which was lighter on Code, and heavier on Script and Art. To this end, it pioneered the new Mission Trees, came with unit models and music as well as some new gameplay features for half the price of a regular expansion.


Rule Britannia exceeded all our expectations, performing record-breakingly well in sales for EUIV, while also gaining favourable reception. It was clear to us that there was a place for these types of DLC. While the sales and reception were great, there was still feedback by way of the content not being deep or meaningful enough, particularly for our core fanbase (If you're reading this, then that's you guys) So our decision was to produce both large expansions and tighter Immersion Packs, meaning Dharma was up next.


Ah Dharma. I remember standing up on the stage at PDXCon, having been asked to do a presentation about it. I don't remember what I said up there and I certainly didn't know what I was going to say. I knew I wanted to just say the word “Dharma” with conviction, and the rest would probably follow. I don't recall the audience getting up and leaving, so the presentation probably went well.


Dharma released in September and was a typical $20 expansion with the usual array of features and an Indian focus. It came with an unusual level of re-working old features, but also took the unorthodox (for EU4) direction of taking old content and making it free. We freed up the Estates feature, shook it up a touch and this, I feel, comes with the unspoken promise of continuing to support and work on this feature.


All well and good, but how do we look at the release from our perspective at Paradox? While Rule Britannia set some records for EUIV, Dharma came and broke them again. It proved to sell extremely well, but it then opened up some interesting discussion, because it reviewed fairly terribly, at (another record-breaking) 35% on Steam at time of writing.


Now the honest truth here from my perspective is that reviews weigh ounces while sales weigh pounds. One cannot put food on the table with a good review, but they can with good sales. If I was asked if I want a release to sell well or I want it to review well, I'll ask for both, but if I may only have one, I'll take the sales numbers. I'm telling you that not (only) because I am a terribly greedy individual, but because that is how we weigh up success and I'd rather be clear with you on that than give some fuzzy, corporate response.


This comes with one massive however. This is not to say that we do not take feedback and reviews into account. Far from it. I've personally read every single review we've had on this year's releases, positive, negative, even Google Translated if need be. We do set aside some real time to check what people enjoyed, what they did not and address what we can. Case in point, there was a huge amount of feedback, both before release and in reviews, slamming the free patch that shipped with Dharma, particularly with the Corruption from Territories and Religious Conversion changes. In this case, we made a redesign of the conversions, making a small change in the followup 1.27 Poland Update to allow conversions with Religious Ideas, then when time was more permitting, making a change to how conversions cost for 1.28. There is still dissatisfaction about how corruption in territories work, I've certainly been reading the threads with interest, but this is in line with our vision for the game. Complaints are not without merit, but it's unlikely that the mechanic will change any time soon.


After Dharma we put out the 1.27 Poland Update, and fittingly had one of our biggest events of the year for the game at the Polish LAN party. It was an amazing time and the absolute most fun one can have playing the game in my humble opinion, I'll cast the limelight over to others who have covered the event in their own ways


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This beat the office Streaming Studio in terms of grandeur solidly

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Flags, props and amazing cosplay all around

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Groogy wore some of his casual attire for the event

After the aforementioned Poland update came Golden Century, another Immersion Pack, so the same vein as Rule Britannia and Third Rome. This went live just 7 days ago, and while that's a pretty short timeframe to draw many conclusions on a DLC release, I'm going to live dangerously and draw them anyway.


Let's not beat around the bush, there has been plenty of dissatisfaction in the community on Golden Century. We've not been blind to the plethora of comments, posts, threads and ratings showing that the Immersion Pack we've been making and delivered is not what you have been anticipating, and there's no amount of fancy talking I can do to dismiss that. There have been particular concerns about lacking focus on Spain/Portugal, wanting deeper changes to Colonization, overall feeling that the Immersion Pack is feature-light, feedback being ignored and plenty others.


Certainly, I put my hands up and say that yes, there were certainly some ill-placed priorities on Golden Century. Most glaring of these were that we talked about what we were doing and planning with you, the community, much too late. It compounded most other issues, so that expectations about what we were going to do were not set from the start, our design and features were too locked-in for much iteration, and the feedback and suggestions that we got, many of which were really good were just not implemented, not because we didn't like them, but because we'd already gotten to a point where we weren't in a position to act on them. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on which side of verification&QA you're on) we don't tend to keep working on a release up to the week/day/hour of release.


That doesn't account for all things though. There are certainly those who feel that they weren't getting what they wanted in terms of deep mechanical reworks or large changes to the game. On this I have to put up a defense. Immersion Packs are designed to deliver content for the focus regions and specifically not large gameplay reworks. You'll not see a Government Overhaul or an Empire of China+Tributaries in an Immersion Pack. In an Immersion Pack you'll certainly find new Music for the region, new unit models, Dynamic Historical Events, features for the focused nation, map changes and other revisions. If what you're wanting from an Immersion Pack are the features of the magnitude that we put in our larger expansions, then we will not be able to meet that expectation. With that said, Golden Century did not match up to the level of quality that you've come to expect, and for that we need to do better.


I don't want to completely drop the point about feedback and suggestions though. A sad outcome from this is that people are feeling their suggestions are just not listened to. This couldn't be much farther from the truth, and I'll be getting back to this just a little further down.


All said and done though, Golden Century was released last week and, while the reviews are not so hot, it's performing admirably as releases go, telling us that we can continue to deliver successful Immersion Packs, but we absolutely need to handle development and communication better.


From now though, there are precious few days before the company as a whole shuts down and only the bravest of souls march into the office to keep the gears of development turning. That'll bring a wrap to 2018, which has been a pretty great year for the EUIV Team. Said team has seen its members come and go, but remain in high spirits and committed to delivering exciting content for the game. In particular this year we have seen the swelling of our ranks with new blood, either new to the company or new to the project (people can and do switch from project to project) while giving bittersweet farewells to those who have left the project such as @Trin Tragula who slipped into a time vortex and ended up long before the Birth of Christ, to live out his Roman fantasies in Imperator.


With that as a reflection on 2018, let's turn to the topic of Suggestions and Feedback. Recently I spied a post which went along the lines of “can we have a dev diary on suggestions” and I think that's a great idea.


So we have a suggestions subforum here where many threads get put up. Users post their ideas on how the game can be improved and what features or balances they would like to see in the game. It's a wonderful place where, regardless if the proposed solution is something we want to directly implement, gives us inspiration and ideas and also highlights what people see as issues in our game in a highly constructive manner.


A considerably chunk of my time, as well as @Groogy and @neondt 's is spent looking through these suggestions. We don't give feedback on everything we read there, and indeed it would be criminal mismanagement of time to do so, but we do read and read often. Suggestions there, both big and small get made and sometimes result in tangible change for the game. A question we've had before is “What does it take for a suggestion to be implemented”. There's hardly a single answer to this, and a variety of ways things get implemented. Sometimes a suggestion can result in a different inspired solution to a problem that's being cited, sometimes mechanics emerge which are similar to those posted. In rare cases, entire suggestions are so good they get face-lifted straight into the game. Let's take a look at some examples, and talk best practices.



Here is an example of a suggestion so good they we had to implement it near enough as-is. A remarkably well constructed post, highlighting all necessary changes that should be made, including province layout, trade goods, city placement and more, as well as containing local information that is harder for us to source to back them up.


Another great and well constructed proposal which covers nearly all bases. It contains a plethora of ideas, not all of which are likely to make it into the game, but a solid suggestion which will no doubt see some manifestation in the game.


Of course, these are fairly massive suggestion post examples, and are not what everyone is expecting or expected to bring the table. We also have lots of smaller suggestions and compilation suggestions which prove useful. A notable example is the achievement compilation thread


Often the smaller gameplay suggestions such as events you could see being improved are great for us to see. The important thing in any suggestion is to Identify the issue and then explain what your improvement is. Often it’s getting the finger on exactly what needs improvement is more important than the fine details on what should be done, as the latter often has many different approaches.


@neondt recently posted a good framework for such suggestions, particularly for events:

Example:
Event name:
Clergy condemns philosopher as heretic

Event ID (if known):
724

Perceived Issue:
Event essentially unchanged from EU3. Unavoidable stability hit is overly punishing and doesn't necessarily fit the flavour.

Suggested Improvement:
Remove stabhit, make penalties better/harsher for each opposed choice


Now, one particular comment that I've been chewing on over the last few weeks was (paraphrased) thus: “I feel like I cannot make the best suggestions I can in a meaningful time when we don't know what the EUIV team is working on until they're pretty much done with it” Now this is something that ties wonderfully into our next topic for today's monster dev diary: Our plans going forward. Previously I've been hesitant to post much of a public roadmap of what EUIV has planned or has ambition for, but I'll not have it said that I'm too hard-headed to change my mind.


Taking it from the top, 2019 will be a very different year of development for EUIV. We will be slowing down development of new features and expansions, at least for the first half of the year. We shall be taking time to focus on two main things in EUIV: Tech Debt and Quality of Life


Tech Debt covers all sorts of things that accumulate over time when we develop our games. It's things like bugs that accumulate (truce timers not lining up with the tooltip? That's tech debt), performance (new features and map updates slowing the game down? That's tech debt) systems that we put in place being cumbersome to work with and slowing down other development? That's tech debt. Generally we set time aside every release to tackle this, but over the past 5+ years of post-release development, we have accumulated more than we've chewed through. To this end, we will be taking a very serious stab at issues and working through the issues that have been building up over this time.


Quality of Life are those usability issues that make you stop for a moment and glare at the game. It's when the tooltip for taking gold covers the green checkmark in the peace deal screen, or when you want to tell your auto-diplomats to deal with a specific bunch of nations but you cannot specify them. We get many suggestions of these in the forums, we have many ideas on them internally, and we get subtly reminded of them in fangatherings. Indeed, those who were at the Polish LAN party were kind enough to give me one or two game suggestions themselves, which will no doubt find their way on our internal list to work through. We will be making a list of the most pressing QoL issues, and working through them with reckless abandon.


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Me reading suggestions from the Poland event. First I saw the auto trade company toggle suggestion

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Then I saw the Balkan Cultures suggestion


This tech debt and quality of life work will manifest themselves in an expansion release we are planning towards the end of the year. We will be working on a massive European expansion, with a scope of pretty much everything from Bretton Brest to Byzantine Constantinople. While it'll be some time before we go into detail on what we want to do with this expansion, we have our own internal wishlist of things to tackle. This is not a guarantee that all will be dealt with in said expansion, but it is what we wish to achieve.

  • Endless, immortal mercenaries need to be reigned in
  • the HRE system, which is largely unchanged from EU3 needs to evolve
  • Expand Estates mechanic
  • Make Catholicism and the Pope feel like a force to be reckoned with, rather than just another colour of Christianity and country
  • Flesh out mission trees for more countries.
  • Make manpower and attrition more meaningful
  • Improve custom nation options.
  • Up the standard of the map across Europe, including Balkans, Italy, France and Germany.
There will no doubt be more to come, but I want to give a general idea of what we're looking at in 2019. Tech Debt, Quality of Life and a massive European Expansion. There will be some smaller patches along the way, likely bugfixes and perhaps a small content update along the way, as well as some new surprises, but the bulk of 2019 is going towards this one big release.


And we want to make sure that you are involved along the way. No doubt there will be people with their own fixes, quality of life features or European changes they want to see in the game. We'll be taking in feedback and suggestions moreso than ever, and hopefully clarifying that this will be a long development cycle will ensure that changes and iteration can take place in a timely manner. I encourage such quality of life requests and longstanding bugs to be posted up or brought forward to us, and we shall be doing our utmost to crush the bugs and implement the QoLs (hopefully in that order)


Of course, this means that, particularly in early 2019, we're going to see some quieter dev diaries, where we may just highlight some particular fixes and QoL changes we make, before we ramp up towards the meat of what's coming in the European Expansion. There'll also be some other surprise things that we'll be talking about as we start picking up steam again next year.


And that's our final, and likely longest dev diary for the year. I hope we've managed to shed some light on previously nebulous places, and before I jet off to the cold and unforgiving Highlands I'll stick around to field any questions you may have for the rest of the day, listing them below.

I have compiled my chief complaints here.

Thanks. It's a good concise list of actionable improvements. I'll review what can be done with them.

will be anything added to Iberian countries or changed, especially to Portugal, or it is completely done and critique of GC will be completely unanswered

So I've seen this concern that, since we've done Golden Century, we'll not touch or look at Iberia again. This is not the case: if we feel like making further improvements to the region we will, and given 1.28 reception, I think that's quite likely.

Can we expect ai improvements? I feel the ai is lacking putting up much of a fight even compared to Eu3

AI improvements is a very vague vague term, with different people having very different ideas on what would be an improvement. If you have clear reports with savefiles of where the AI acted in a dis-satisfactory way, then that is something we can definitely look into.

Of course, AI improvements are on our to-do list, but they tend to be specifics, such as "Improve AI's homeland defense in times of war" or "stop AI from dragging out wars which are already won"

Well what can I say, reading this made me happy.
And if it happens like it was outlined here, it will make me even more happy.

I've been putting together 2019 plans for a wee while. I certainly expect them to happen as outlined and it will make me happy too.

I feel a Europe-map suggestion thread coming.

Now would certainly be the time. I've been impressed with the quality of your map suggestions (and putting together the SEA compilation)

Well, it seems that the massive Central Italy focused thread and Papacy overhaul that I’ll be posting this afternoon will drop at the right time after all ;)

The time has never been riper.

So no new big expansion till the end of next year? wow.

This is the plan. Disappointing perhaps for those always hungry for more content, but we have a large scope for this one, and will take the time it needs.

- Improve Vassals. I believe there was already a great vassal topic made some time ago in suggestion forum so I wont go into to much detail but this one is important for an European expansion

If you have the link to such, I'd like to give it a read.

EU4: DUES VULT coming December 2019?

There's not yet a name for such an expansion, but I think it won't be that.

I'll give the devs all my money if they finally put belgium into the game

Previously Belgium has been a hard "no" but...how much money are we talking?

Will there be free patch like Hungary and Denmark for Golden century?

Between now and the release of our big 2019 expansion, there is likely to be at least one free update, if nothing else to clear up some outstanding 2018 bugs. The bulk of work, fixes and improvements will be coming with the big expansions and update at the end of the year.

@DDRJake good thread :) as a fellow Briton. Could we introduce shires into Britain? Cambridgeshire rather than Cambridge etc?? Please ? Thank you.

I know I can change it each game but it’s a bit of a pain in the arse

I do personally prefer such names like Aberdeenshire but it is contrary to our naming convention. I had this discussion with our content designers at the time.

So, probably another year without DLC for Southeast Asia. Well, as a person with Half-full Glass view, I am still going to appreciate your update on Burma, make Palembang playable, and the monsoon system (plus the elephants

Yes, much as SEA needs attention, Europe is the main focus for 2019

In perfect world, your content should be that good no suggestions should appear. But this is not the case.

We may have to agree to disagree on that point. No product on the complexity level of a videogame, no matter how brilliant, is beyond refinement.

A good dev diary with lots of good goals, but I will remain sceptical until I see the results.

Healthy scepticism is exactly that: healthy. We have stated our goals, and expect to be held accountable towards reaching them.

It might seem impatient, but almost a year for bug fixes and an expansion seems like a very long time. Will we see patch(es) that will iron out the current

While the number of them and their scope is still to be decided, we will see one or two free updates along the way, primarily with bugfixes. The focus for 2019 remain on the big expansion though.

Byzantine Constantinople? Is it just me, or did the community actually manage to make a byzaboo out of Jake?:D

Never.

Jake, you missed out on a crucial part: Starting 2019, will there be another dev clash?

While I'd love to get back into the swing of things with the EU4 Dev Clash, it seems that the Imperator Signup has just led to the confirmation of an Imperator dev clash. Since our limiting factor on clashes is sheer manpower&time, rather than willpower, the Romans will likely steal the limelight, as Stellaris have done.

Kinda off-topic- but DDRJake sort of looks like my cousin.

Please, I need fewer people thinking me German, rather than more.

Any plans for improved text rendering / high resolution display support as part of the QoL changes in 2019?

This is on a (my) wishlist for 2019 too.

***** writing style
****- humor
memes, check.
being the main focus of discontent but still wear the right attire for the right situation, check.
****- statement/information given in dev diary

now go and follow through with your word. i am excited for the first time since mare nostrum.

I dread to ask, but how many stars am I rated out of here?

This could be as simple as adding a natural habour modifier to New York and a few other provinces that suffer from the same deficiency (e.g. Charleston and Quebec), this is what you did for New Orleans when the update was released and would certainly be warranted for New York which has one of the best natural habours in the world, in fact, that was the reason why the dutch settled there in the first place. Alternatively, it would be very interesting to have a feature whereby you could found a CoT anywhere if certain conditions where met. This could be e.g. no other trade centre in the state, minimum diplomatic development level of 10 and minimum total development of say 25, as well as a cost of 1000 gold.

Good suggestions here, thanks.

I'm quite looking forward to seeing various bugs etc resolved, even it means no new content. If anything gives me a proper chance to catch up on doing my mod.

I've got a few ideas on how to improve the govt reforms which I'll make a thread for in a few days. Would it be worth me remaking some of my old suggestions for various small fixes? Things like name/trade good fixes for Britain or my suggestion for how to make it so that colonial nations don't expand a ridiculous amount into other colonial regions.

In addition, how would you feel about suggestions on opening up certain bits of hardcoded DLC content (or even non-DLC content like the HRE mechanics) to be modded? I've had some great ideas but they'd basically involve making a copy of the Native American confederations/trade leagues/HRE and then changing certain things so as to not disrupt the originals but it's all hardcoded.

Government Reform suggestions are certainly welcome, and when it comes to suggestions which touch on "hardcoded DLC content" there's nothing wrong with being bold. We may even make those changes if they seem right for the game, or at least provide inspiration for other avenues to address what you are suggesting.

+1 is disgusting watching how a relevant nation for the period like Hungary uses vanilla skins

I completely agree.

Boy, does this exites me.
Estates are, to me, the mechanic with the biggest untapped potential in the game.

Yes they are. I'm just thinking out loud here, but Imagine if calling a diet..called an actual diet.

Speaking about QoL changes, do you plan to improve the launcher? I've made couple of suggestions about it here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ns-changelogs-and-tweaks-in-launcher.1040670/
(Yeah, I know "modlist/mod list" is rather better name than "mod playlist".)

Thanks. Without giving to much away: yes the launcher is in scope.

It's one thing to say it, and another thing to see it, so I don't want to hand out cookies just yet, but - but! - this is a good step. I do think it's concerning that you've had so many things that were received as misses. I know it's selling well, but do you have figures for how many people keep playing the game after, say, the first week of purchase? My worry is that Steam only gives you 2 hours with a product before you can choose to return it, and 2 hours in any Paradox game is not a long time. My fear is that you are pleased based on sales of games that aren't being played when people find that they lack depth.

You may have more information than me on this though, and if so feel free to disregard that. But it's niggling in the back of my mind too much to leave it unsaid.



I'm glad that you recognize that being free wasn't enough. I would personally love an attempt to start reining in the more shallow, 4x-esque elements of the game and putting in more fun, deep, even roleplayish aspects into the game, and I think this is a great place to start. The game's fellow Paradox releases are, generally speaking, leagues ahead of EU4 in that respect, largely because they aren't afraid to go back and look at extremely core, fundamental aspects of the game and think "well, we can do that better". I hope this willingness by the EU4 team to admit they, too, can do better doesn't go away.

Does community engagement extend to more fundamental changes than what the map should look like, or what achievements there should be? Does it reach all the way to fundamental design choices? I assume you cited those two choices because those were the two where you lifted most directly, but honestly I would love a random dev diary to just illustrate the process by which a suggestion someone makes gets morphed into something completely else in the game.

These were indeed some of the easier suggestion posts to cite, but the suggestions we look into and take on extend to every facet of the game.

As for player information, we do see player patterns, and track the active playerbase, allowing me to confirm things like "more people are playing EUIV in 2018 than ever before"

On a different note, with a massive Holy Fury-esque update being planned, what about the artists? Will there just be a similarly sized content pack at the end of the year alongside it or is there a possibility of some smaller unit pack or vanilla model improvements released separately?

Almost every release is accompanied with unit packs in some manner. How this will manifest in 2019 is not yet nailed down. Traditionally we have released Content Packs alongside expansions, and Immersion Packs include such unit models.

Here's my question. You've said that you plan to rework the HRE and I am wondering what ideas you have for this? I understand if this is too early to ask about it, however I was curious.

It is our ambition to do so. Exactly how is not yet decided. That'll be down to what myself and @Groogy come up with, alongside input from other team members and, quite possible, input we get from community suggestions.

Does this mean that the bulk of the changes will come later in the year with the large expansion? As in, paid for?

The bulk of what we talk about this year will be coming at the release at the end of the year, although it will follow the typical structure of a free update with bug fixes and free content (like Mughals Update) and paid content+mechanics in the accompanying expansion (like Dharma)

I f I may make a suggestion, maybe add a fourth reaction to the forum, something like "thank you for the feedback" or "read", "noted", "acknowledge"... that kind of things. While not giving feedback on our feedback, it would at least help alleviate the feeling of being ignored some feels and take only the time of a button click.

I have poked the Forum team to add such a mechanism. I shall continue my poking.
 
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I have never found EU4 expansions to be particularly transformative, but I have bought most of them anyway and have had a pretty good time with the game. I really like some of the bolder moves that the EU4 team has taken with some of the recent expansions. I hope you continue to take bolder moves (rather than small steps) to see how far this game can still evolve before we get to EU5.

I think CK2 is a really good example of a game that truly evolved to become something greater with recent expansions. The mission trees have had this effect for me with EU4 so far, but I would love to see more.

Edit: I fully endorse Jake's idea to slow down new content to really work out the details of how to improve the moment to moment gameplay of EU4.
 
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Hopefully the first 6 months of the new year will be taken to address the various issues voiced by the community. I have compiled my chief complaints here. Hopefully some of these are addressed. But until we see some action taken, sadly most of this DD will just be words. Hopefully this can be proven false.
 

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So...

From one point, I like almost every part of this Dev Diary. From second point, there is strange lack of any obligations to actually fix Golden Century and do anything to make it worth buying. Unfortunately, it sounds more like "let's make big wall of text and make people happy by what he have written here", but then do not commit to actually do anything.

So I have a question - will be anything added to Iberian countries or changed, especially to Portugal, or it is completely done and critique of GC will be completely unanswered?
 

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I have some nitpicks/annoyances as well that I would like to express here:

- The randomness of a huge game changer like the Burgundian Inheritance. I'd rather have a set trigger instead of a chance of firing randomly depending on circumstances. Something like a war goal for eligible nations.
- AI being unable to take care of pretender rebels in their subjects nations. I see a lot of PU's going to waste in game because the AI just can't handle dealing with those rebels in a lot of cases. Best example is Burgundy losing a lot of it's PU's at random, or Aragon/Castille failing to take care of Naples' pretender rebels.
- Nations attacking into the HRE without considering the emperor a co belligerent. Especially Burgundy loves to attack a nation like Liege (if they survive their first war against Provence) thinking they would only be fighting Liege, maybe 1 of their allies and Austria. Because of that, Burgundy often declares a suicidal attack on it's own against Liege, Austria and all of their allies which they always lose. The effects can change the entire game as it can either trigger the Burgundian Inheritance, ruins Burgundy completely and assures Austria's re election as emperor as everyone loves Austria for a long time for coming to the defence of the empire. Burgundy does it the most often, but I do remember Denmark and Poland making that mistake once or twice.

I hope those things could be fixed in 2019 for sure. It might not look too gamebreaking, but it always sucks the moment you encounter it.
 

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I would just like to say that I appreciate this transparency and that I greatly anticipate what can be done with this new plan for 2019, especially messing with the lackluster Catholics and the HRE.
 

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I feel a Europe-map suggestion thread coming.
 

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  • Make Catholicism and the Pope feel like a force to be reckoned with, rather than just another colour of Christianity and country
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Well, it seems that the massive Central Italy focused thread and Papacy overhaul that I’ll be posting this afternoon will drop at the right time after all ;)
 

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Certainly this does create some hope. Unfortunately its just that, hope. Until we actually see how/if these changes will be implemented and the direction which the content will take is clarified further, its fair to say that attitudes will not change. And if it does turn out well, well that's of benefit for everyone.

On another note I will echo what other people have asked already and inquire where Golden Century fits in this and if one of these small content updates will address some of the most glaring issues of the expansion. (Especially poor, neglected Portugal.)
 
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As the vision transforms into concrete projects over this coming year, will you open up suggestion gathering threads on specific regions/topics, to solicit ideas for review and possible incorporation?
 
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So no new big expansion till the end of next year? wow. Maybe try to make EUV while you're at it. Instead of making a huge expansion in which you try to fix a lot of things, just redo it and remove some things no one likes which might help with both your tech debt and QOL issues.

I always buy your expansion just because I put hundred hours into this game and can still enjoy it. Just because that is how I like to show my gratitude, it does not mean I think they are great. If you really want for more sells, attract more players. I think the best way to do that is by implanting all old DLC except for last year ones because all the DLC's together makes a use barrier for new players. Then make some new DLC worthy of sells like other paradox games are doing now and you will really attract more customers.

anyway for my suggestions about QOL
- Make more systems automated instead of click buttons. Things like stability, development, religion and coring should be more dependent on happening based on conditions instead of having the player click x times.
- Have more UI differences based on the main culture group you are playing as. Having different color UI, music or sounds when playing a Asian culture than when playing an European one would help immersion greatly.
- Improve Vassals. I believe there was already a great vassal topic made some time ago in suggestion forum so I wont go into to much detail but this one is important for an European expansion
- While I am starting to like the corruption from expansion, there needs to be some more improvements. The whole thing with trade companies which only the Europeans can really have is not smart. It should be more based on development outside states than number of areas.
 
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EU4: DUES VULT coming December 2019?

I look forward to it greatly.
 

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1. I was one of the few proponents of corruption and conversion mechanics on the forum. And both was fun for 2 or 3 games I played.

But corruption now feels tiring. It does not add things, it removes them. This made me revert to 1.25 and stay there until corruption mechanics expand or revert, one or another.

I understand that You want it to stay, but allow us to just switch it off - at least with custom nation. If You could make two changes to custom nation interface:
a. "copy" real nation land and ideas,
b. add some switches for game mechanics like in CK2
that would allow us to play custom game without all the hassles of creating and importing a mod...

2. I'm all for QoLs and Tech Debt changes, those are really needed. One of them could be alternate SMALLER maps for those of us with slower computers :) Not every player cares for proper provinces, especially if they lag the game too much.

Thanks for the game and Happy New Year,
 

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This comes with one massive however. This is not to say that we do not take feedback and reviews into account. Far from it. I've personally read every single review we've had on this year's releases, positive, negative, even Google Translated if need be. We do set aside some real time to check what people enjoyed, what they did not and address what we can. Case in point, there was a huge amount of feedback, both before release and in reviews, slamming the free patch that shipped with Dharma, particularly with the Corruption from Territories and Religious Conversion changes. In this case, we made a redesign of the conversions, making a small change in the followup 1.27 Poland Update to allow conversions with Religious Ideas, then when time was more permitting, making a change to how conversions cost for 1.28. There is still dissatisfaction about how corruption in territories work, I've certainly been reading the threads with interest, but this is in line with our vision for the game. Complaints are not without merit, but it's unlikely that the mechanic will change any time soon.

Can we have someone make a complete case for it? It looks to me that because people in your team are not engaging with it, they think it's all fine.
If you do want to keep it in the game, at least change corruption (or, better, corruption gain?) to be something… better?

Tech Debt covers all sorts of things that accumulate over time when we develop our games. It's things like bugs that accumulate (truce timers not lining up with the tooltip? That's tech debt), performance (new features and map updates slowing the game down? That's tech debt) systems that we put in place being cumbersome to work with and slowing down other development? That's tech debt. Generally we set time aside every release to tackle this, but over the past 5+ years of post-release development, we have accumulated more than we've chewed through. To this end, we will be taking a very serious stab at issues and working through the issues that have been building up over this time.

Thanks for the comprehensive DD, it's good to know you're keeping track on these issues. Probably you have "improve AI" in there as well.
 

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Since I forgot to ask a question in my previous post, here is one for you @DDRJake:

Have you ever considered how perfect it would be if the song Europa by Girls Generation was available on the in-game playlist of EU4?
 

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As if the Balkans would ever be a source of contention... /s

I, for one, welcome this seemingly newfound transparency about EU4 development. Even if Paradox is my favorite game developer, it doesn't mean I would not want you to be as open as possibly can, and even if the dev diaries are great, for us I think it feels more like a sale pitch for the DLCs than a discussion about your vision for the game and the logic behind it.

If you want to make us feel like you actually aknowledge our input and suggestion, that's a great start at least.