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EU4 - Development Diary - 14th of February 2017

Hello everyone and welcome to another development diary for Europa Universalis IV.

Today we’ll take a deep look at two new mechanics that are present when you play the Ashikaga Shogunate in next expansion, and also how the setup have changed.

Now you may wonder, where is Japan? Well, at the start of the game, there is no unified nation of Japan, and instead we have a Shogunate with Daimyo vassals.

If Ashikaga loses Kyoto, then they lose the Shogunate, and the Daimyo that conquers it, becomes the new Shogun.

Any nation that is a Daimyo, but is no longer a subject to the Shogun, will become an Independent Daimyo, a government form, that allows you to become an Empire.

Japan can be formed if you are the Shogun, and have at least 25 cities, or there are no daimyos left. A Daimyo can also form Japan if they are independent and there is no other daimyos around.

The first feature is mechanics tied to the Shogunate government form.

Each daimyo at peace reduces stability cost at 2% each to a maximum of 20% cheaper, and 0.1 yearly legitimacy up to a maximum of +1 yearly legitimacy.

There is a yearly prestige impact ranging from -1 to +1 depending on how isolated daimyos are compared to the Shogunate. We’ll talk more about isolationism when we discuss the Shintoism mechanics.

The Shogunate government itself lost the bonus to diplomatic relations, and instead gained a bonus diplomat. However, Daimyos no longer cost diplomatic upkeep.

Shogunates also have 3 abilities they can use from the government screen, for a mere cost of 20 legitimacy.

  • Sword Hunt - reduces manpower and force-limits of all Daimyo subjects, while increasing the Shogun's manpower and force-limit.
  • Sankin Kotai – Reduced diplomatic relation slots of all Daimyo subjects by 1 and increases Shogun's diplomatic reputation by 3.
  • Forcibly expel Ronin – Lower all subject's liberty desire by 5%
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Secondly, there are also five new subject interactions for a Shogunate to use on their Daimyo Vassals, all who require them to have a liberty desire of less than 50%.

  • Force Seppuku - Current ruler in Daimyo dies, They will not start a war for the next ruler. (AI only) Can be done if the ruler have started a war with another daimyo. Shogun gains 5 x new rulers monarch power.
  • “Return Land” - On Daimyos that have an independent nation’s cores, force them to return that core.
  • Contribute to Capital - Gain 1 development in your capital, they lose 2 development in their lands. Can be done if they have more than 33% development of the Shogunate lands.
  • Conscript General- The Daimyo’s highest-pip general will be transferred to the overlord for +30 Liberty Desire. Blocked for heir and monarch generals.
  • Force isolation up/down - towards shogunate, increases LD by 25%.
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Stay tuned for next week, when we’ll talk about how the tributary system will work...
 
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So many new subject interactions...and no way to mod them :(

netherlink said:
This can't be complete. There has to be some kind of cost for Shogun, or you just do it for EVERY Daimyo you ever have, they will never fight and Shogun swims in MP.
Starting with like 15 Daimyos, each giving ~15MP, every ~20-40 years seems totally ridiculous.

Or am i missing something? xD
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Well it increases LD, can't be used above 50 LD. Also we still don't know how the new Shinto/Isolation mechanic works, so we don't know the full picture anyway.
 
The contribute to Capital interaction seems like it would be a real drain on Japan's development, when Japan is supposed to come out of the EU4 time period on a population boom
 
hashinshin said:
The contribute to Capital interaction seems like it would be a real drain on Japan's development, when Japan is supposed to come out of the EU4 time period on a population boom
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It only works on big vassals and it's not a net loss of development. It just centralizes it. (my bad, misread)
 
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Will Shogunate use diplomatic annexation like other countries? No further penalty for it?

Does forming Japan mean removal of Shogunate? Then will other daimyos which are not annexed yet become independent?

Will Japan under full AI control remain ununified like real history?

How can a daimyo have a core of independent country, so that Shogun can use 'return land'? Will daimyos be able to DoW other country like Korea?

Will daimyos get +50% of development cost like other subjects?

Will all 5 interactions cost liberty desire, not only conscript general and force isolation?
 
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hashinshin said:
Point is, Japan should be leaving the EU4 time period with a lot of development, not draining it over the timespan.
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That would be right if Japan manages to unite and has a long, peaceful time over decades, where no enemy soldier ever set a foot on the land. In this case, even AI would probably develop more than it drains with this feature.

Else, if Japan stays Shogunate with all those Daimyo Vassals and uses this ability regularly, it is quiet ahistorical and no need to have that boom.

Anyway, which nation does develop as much as it did historically? How do you measure this? Is there a "Development -> Citizens" calculation somewhere which claims to be realistic?
 
Is the gold mine replaced or are you thinking about replacing it?

Really one of the main issues why playing vs AI becomes super streamlined in Japan imo.
 
"If Ashikaga loses Kyoto, then they lose the Shogunate, and the Daimyo that conquers it, becomes the new Shogun."

This coupled with the fact the Shogunate has been reduced to one province... doesn't it pretty much guarantee any Daimyo's (player) best and only opening move is to march on the capital?
 
Is the person who posts news to Steam sick? No CK2 and no EU4 dev diaries there, and no events scheduled.

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Alerias said:
"If Ashikaga loses Kyoto, then they lose the Shogunate, and the Daimyo that conquers it, becomes the new Shogun."

This coupled with the fact the Shogunate has been reduced to one province... doesn't it pretty much guarantee any Daimyo's (player) best and only opening move is to march on the capital?
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Wouldn't the Shogun call in the other Daimyos against you?
 
samin said:
So many new subject interactions...and no way to mod them :(



Well it increases LD, can't be used above 50 LD. Also we still don't know how the new Shinto/Isolation mechanic works, so we don't know the full picture anyway.
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Where does it say it increases LD? As far as I can see, that only applies to Force Isolation.
 
C.N. said:
Is the person who posts news to Steam sick? No CK2 and no EU4 dev diaries there, and no events scheduled.
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yes
 
Haccoude said:
Where does it say it increases LD? As far as I can see, that only applies to Force Isolation.
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It just makes no sense for those actions to not increase LD, virtually all other subject interactions that are not designed to lower LD (and usually cost the overlord something), increase LD as a cost for a benefit to the overlord.
 
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