EU4 - Development Diary - 10th of April 2018

[TheDungen]

Maybe they rework the hre (north and south Germany, Italiy) and some PLC

That's like 1/3 of Europe measured by population. If they do that much it's going to be really superficial, heck all existing tags may not even end up getting national ideas much less unique events and adding in all the tags that should really be there.

Unfortunately, Meritocracy is already a mechanic; it's the Legitimacy/Devotion/Republican Tradition/Horde Unity of the Celestial Empire government type. Otherwise I agree that'd work far better than Nepotism.

Then make it technocracy. Totally wrong name for the era but the idea is right the idea that you promote people from a field to make decisions about that field.

Also since meritocracy in china is a score and this is a single reform they could easily have the same name.

 

[NRNQSchatten]

HRE Expansion or maybe India?

would make sense as the hre has one of the most varaety of goverment forms

 

[NRNQSchatten]

It depends. At every election you can choose to keep your current leader, and their skills increase by one, meaning it's possible to cultivate 6/6/6 leaders quite regularly.

However, the Republican equivalent of Legitimacy, Republican Tradition, accrues at 1 a year and drops by 10 every time you re-elect someone, and if it gets too low your government shifts into a dictatorship and possibly collapses into a Monarchy. You can (currently) keep your RT pumped up with military points and the Strengthen Government option, so if you want to do that more often it's your call.

no it drops by 2.5*years until reelection so RT wouldnt be an issue

 

[ValhallArchitect]

Since this DLC will likely be about government reform and inner management, rather than territorial expansion, could we get a deeper expansion of the Estates feature ?
I understand it is a former DLC feature, but I feel it's way under-exploited, and could be made much more meaningful, especially regarding centralization.

For example, it could be tied more closely to autonomy (rather than a simple +25% province autonomy floor)
It could get the ability to challenge the central power (revolts using their own funded rebel armies, out of their overall privileges).

Besides, there are plenty of reforms from CK2 Conclave laws which are still relevant to EU4 period (remember that countries like France or HRE were not yet centralized in 1444, or even the different kingdoms of the Crown of Castile/Aragon/Valencia which all had their own institutions and privileges...)

 

[FleetingRain]

Huhhhh wait. Republics have 10 reforms. Becoming a Monarchy comes last and only removes 4 reforms. So this means that I can take Nepotism as my second reform, play all game long till Question of Dictatorship, become a Monarchy and keep Nepotism?


(also RIP my suggestion from last week I guess)

 

[Dracolithfiend]

Notice this dev diary has 79 agrees and no disagrees? Complete 180° from the last few rule brittania diaries. Good work.

 

[Temudhun Khan]

Huhhhh wait. Republics have 10 reforms. Becoming a Monarchy comes last and only removes 4 reforms. So this means that I can take Nepotism as my second reform, play all game long till Question of Dictatorship, become a Monarchy and keep Nepotism?


(also RIP my suggestion from last week I guess)

I think it rather means that if you turn into a monarchy, you will be instantly able to take as many reform as you did as a republic minus 4.

 

[Caspian Mortis]

The Parliamentary vs Presidential division doesn't really make sense. I mean 'parliament' is just one name for a legislature. And even though full presidential republics give more power to the executive branch, they always have a legislature. I mean the USA has a Congress (Senate and House) and other presidential republics have legislatures too under different names likes assembly, the chamber, the house of the people or supreme council.

It would be weird if suddenly the USA doesn't have access to their Congress with the new update.

 

[moscal]

@Caspian Mortis - have. Presidential system of republic and non-presidential system. Here problem is "do president have real power or is only figurehead".
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Forms_of_government.svg

 

[Arizal]

I think it rather means that if you turn into a monarchy, you will be instantly able to take as many reform as you did as a republic minus 4.

That seems likely.

The Parliamentary vs Presidential division doesn't really make sense. I mean 'parliament' is just one name for a legislature. And even though full presidential republics give more power to the executive branch, they always have a legislature. I mean the USA has a Congress (Senate and House) and other presidential republics have legislatures too under different names likes assembly, the chamber, the house of the people or supreme council.

It would be weird if suddenly the USA doesn't have access to their Congress with the new update.

The USA political system will probably be one of the "special republics", one which would function with a president, but have a legislature. Presidential republic, or simply constitutionnal republic, as it is now. I agree however that if the latter name is used, it would not be ideal since a parliementary republic can exist and have a constitution.

 

[Dydes]

I really hope you'll give us more than 2 choices per policy, it would just end up with a standard build if you don't. Include a lot of good modifiers so players can craft their own experience.

 

[F.A.T.H.E.R.]

Will a revolutionary empire be a monarchy or stay as republic with monarchist system( Still republic, without election, heirs ).

 

[FleetingRain]

I think it rather means that if you turn into a monarchy, you will be instantly able to take as many reform as you did as a republic minus 4.

Oh, that makes sense.

cmon paradox, be a bit wilder, give us some serious choices to fight over and to consider during a game.

I have to agree with this.

We have a lot of modifier sources in the game already; a government reform DLC is the perfect opportunity to add new wacky rules and modifiers. The Civics in Stellaris are doing a great job at this, I think it's time EUIV follows its lead now.

 

[Atreides]

@DDRJake

As was mentioned earlier - please look at reworking Merchant Republics. They are very interesting, but only for about 100 years or so. After that you just quit and play someone else. In a game that is primarily about map painting, they are arbitrarily prevented from doing do.

As a possible solution - could we get an option to change a previously selected reform at a cost of X reform points (and maybe some unrest)? At that point, a MR could at least abandon being an MR during mid-game when the penalties become truly unbearable. I imagine there are other scenarios where a 'redo' would be appreciated and worth the cost to do so.

Also, on the free side of the DLC - please consider a rework and balance pass on Policies. They are a very easy way for nations to differentiate themselves from each other. Unfortunately, the vast majority of them are not worth even the basic cost of 1 MP. Perhaps nations receive (1) free policy per government rank. Perhaps a government reform grants a free policy or two. Alternatively, keep the costs where they are but increase the value/effects of most of the policies. If requested, I imagine the community could provide a multitude of suggestions for policy changes.

Happy gaming!

 

[F.A.T.H.E.R.]

@DDRJake and @Groogy can we get a screenshot without DLC.

 

[FleetingRain]

@DDRJake

As was mentioned earlier - please look at reworking Merchant Republics. They are very interesting, but only for about 100 years or so. After that you just quit and play someone else. In a game that is primarily about map painting, they are arbitrarily prevented from doing do.

As a possible solution - could we get an option to change a previously selected reform at a cost of X reform points (and maybe some unrest)? At that point, a MR could at least abandon being an MR during mid-game when the penalties become truly unbearable. I imagine there are other scenarios where a 'redo' would be appreciated and worth the cost to do so.

We'll have this already, changing a pre-existent reform will cost the "reform points" and also give corruption.

 

[Atreides]

We'll have this already, changing a pre-existent reform will cost the "reform points" and also give corruption.

Fantastic!

 

[King Rellek]

So do Merchant republic rulers reign for life now? This would be historical, and I see they didn't list the frequency of elections for them. How will that work going forward?

 

[Thorum]

So... the expansion will focus on a "the"? Maybe the HRE? It's usually not the Italy or the India, right?
But then again, it could also be the Indian subcontinent or the Italian peninsula I guess...

As long as it's not the Pacific or the British Isles We'll see in two weeks.

 

[wam-mnebu]

Also the new government reforms are part of the upcoming yet unannounced Expansion Pack. For those who get the 1.26 update but not the expansion, you will still have access to the different government mechanics, but not the new reform choices seen below.

With that in mind, the Republican Reform path contains up to ten different reforms, putting them ahead as the most diverse set we're adding. Let's see what's on offer (all values and effects very subject to balance and change)

sounds like you took a few pages out of Victoria II. Looks good!